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Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am
by naki
guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

He's an idiot.

the first card was fair but not malicious. Player was falling into it which made it look worse. This one we're arguing over was similar in the dropping player but the tackler started over the shoulder.
No he didn’t

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am
by bimboman
naki wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined. :lol:
It's really weird. The Kiwis especially seem to want to see early retirements and brain injuries.
The tackle was on the shoulder and as low as humanly possible

I’ve got no problem with red cards for forceful initial contact with the head

to stop the try " I was only as off side as I humanly needed to be"

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 am
by Enzedder
RodneyRegis wrote:
Enzedder wrote:Well, if That is rugby now I am not going to pay to watch.
If only they had tried to do something about contact with the head when you were younger.
It was a game for men then. Mothers cooked the mince on toast

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am
by Torquemada 1420
Ali's Choice wrote:Final score 45-23.

A 22 point win in a NZ conference derby game is almost unheard of. I am very happy with the result - but that was not a great performance.
Early doors for both sides and your mob not normally the fastest out of the blocks so any win a good one?

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:28 am
by Shrekles
Ali's Choice wrote:Final score 45-23.

A 22 point win in a NZ conference derby game is almost unheard of. I am very happy with the result - but that was not a great performance.
It blew out in the end but it was a hard fought win - the first and last 20 were good for the crusaders. Very impressed with the Mounga, Crotty and Goodhue midfield. McKenzie had some good runs but was a shit 10.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 am
by Hareaway
guy smiley wrote:
Hareaway wrote:
Your bestie Thai guy is the reason I don’t come here much ... so ...enjoy

He's an idiot.

the first card was fair but not malicious. Player was falling into it which made it look worse. This one we're arguing over was similar in the dropping player but the tackler started over the shoulder.
So why go the bullying route over all farmers being polluters ? fudge you you bloody asshole I don’t give you shit over your job but if m fair game for you and Thai guy ?

Happy bullying

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 am
by naki
bimboman wrote:
naki wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:
BBB wrote:Seems to be a massive overreaction on this thread to that penalty try.
The high tackle law has been like this for a couple seasons now.
The game is hardly ruined. :lol:
It's really weird. The Kiwis especially seem to want to see early retirements and brain injuries.
The tackle was on the shoulder and as low as humanly possible

I’ve got no problem with red cards for forceful initial contact with the head

to stop the try " I was only as off side as I humanly needed to be"
Well you’re just being silly now.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 am
by JB1981
Very flattering but a win is a win. Picking up a bonus point could be important later on in the NZ conference.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 am
by Maniototo Man
A harsh result for the Chiefs. Didn't deserve to win but didn't deserve to lose with that score line.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:30 am
by les@mooloolaba
O'Keefe must be cross eyed doesn't know forward from back. Poor showing from him tonight. :frown:

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:30 am
by naki
guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

What happened after that decision spoilt things with the score blowing out, for sure.
The. Tackler. Did. Not. Make. Contact. At. The. Neck

You’ve moved down from saying it was the head at least. Soon you’ll be at the actual point of contact :o

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am
by Marshall Banana
naki wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?
Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though
Chiefs would be a million times better off with Marty at 10, Maori Jesus at 12, and D-Mac at 15.

D-Mac was the best fullback in the comp last year.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 am
by SecretAgentMan
guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.
That's just bollocks. Get a grip, ffs.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am
by UncleFB
Quite an enjoyable game until the penalty try. That tackle happens all the time without the same result. If it was any other player than glass Crotty they would have just got back up and carried on, actually I take that Glass Maori Jesus Ngatai would have stayed down too.

Tana was wrong, it is tiddly winks.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:32 am
by World Class Phil
guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

What happened after that decision spoilt things with the score blowing out, for sure.
Slow mo showed it didn't start at the neck, initial contact with his arm was to the shoulder.

Yes arguably the defender should have been in better position and would have been more likely to tackle 'legally' but with that quick ball what can you do but make an attempt and hope it comes off?

Like other posters have said, the fact that letting Crotty score instead of going to make the tackle would be less risky is literally the safer option now which makes zero sense.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am
by naki
Marshall Banana wrote:
naki wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?
Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though
Chiefs would be a million times better off with Marty at 10, Maori Jesus at 12, and D-Mac at 15.

D-Mac was the best fullback in the comp last year.
Māori Jesus is even shaped more like a block busting 12 now also, he’s piled on some pounds

Doesn’t matter, he’s now injured of course

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:33 am
by les@mooloolaba
guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:Realistically didn’t expect to go to the defending champions home patch and win, but this is still disappointing
It's a shame because of the pen try and yellow... circumstances pretty much demanded that under the Laws. Tackler made contact at the neck, fercryinoutloud. You can't start a tackle at the neck.

What happened after that decision spoilt things with the score blowing out, for sure.
talking shit smiley, tackle started at the upper arm or shoulder. Take your pirate patch off. :yawn:

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:35 am
by Enzedder
Marshall Banana wrote:
naki wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?
Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though
Chiefs would be a million times better off with Marty at 10, Maori Jesus at 12, and D-Mac at 15.

D-Mac was the best fullback in the comp last year.
You were reading my posts from earlier in this thread

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:35 am
by Marshall Banana
naki wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
naki wrote:
Waka Nathan wrote:McKenzie isn't a 10's arse. Why should the Chiefs be the test lab for one of Hansen's wacky ideas?
Yep. Not much first-five cover in the squad though
Chiefs would be a million times better off with Marty at 10, Maori Jesus at 12, and D-Mac at 15.

D-Mac was the best fullback in the comp last year.
Māori Jesus is even shaped more like a block busting 12 now also, he’s piled on some pounds

Doesn’t matter, he’s now injured of course
And Marty is in Disneyland - so D-Mac pretty much has to play 10 now anyway.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:36 am
by Fat Old Git
We're going to end up with Gifs and still pics aren't we.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:36 am
by Toro
If you watch it in real time it's a fairly decent blow straight round the neck head area, then as Crotty goes to score he bends him away from the line by binding on his neck. Not that controversial really, but with the sympathy the ref actually showed maybe the yellow with a PT shouldn't be an absolute.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:36 am
by SecretAgentMan
UncleFB wrote:Tana was wrong, it is tiddly winks.
World Class Phil wrote:Like other posters have said, the fact that letting Crotty score instead of going to make the tackle would be less risky is literally the safer option now which makes zero sense.
Sad but true.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:38 am
by SecretAgentMan
Fat Old Git wrote:We're going to end up with Gifs and still pics aren't we.
Hopefully not, we're not British after all.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:38 am
by JB1981
Fat Old Git wrote:We're going to end up with Gifs and still pics aren't we.
Surely no one will stoop to the depths of the Irish.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:40 am
by Waka Nathan
Marshall Banana wrote:D-Mac was the best fullback in the comp last year.
Just when McKenzie had reduced his horrendous error rate at fullback he gets shunted to another position--and starts doing the stupid shit all over again. There is some weird thinking going on in NZ rugby.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:40 am
by mrbrownstone
Chiefs didn't deserve that scoreline, but I'll take a BP win in a NZ derby game any day of the week. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:43 am
by Enzedder
UncleFB wrote:Quite an enjoyable game until the penalty try. That tackle happens all the time without the same result. If it was any other player than glass Crotty they would have just got back up and carried on, actually I take that Glass Maori Jesus Ngatai would have stayed down too.

Tana was wrong, it is tiddly winks.
:lol: :lol: I have used that line

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:44 am
by SecretAgentMan
Anyone else get the feeling they're throwing the baby out with the bath water?

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:47 am
by Maniototo Man
Fat Old Git wrote:We're going to end up with Gifs and still pics aren't we.

I liked this pic you posted earlier. If you tackled her on the hips your hand would immediately slide straight up to her head.

Image

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:51 am
by RodneyRegis
FFS. The TMO stopped it at the point of contact. It was directly on his neck, and he pulled his head round.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:52 am
by Fat Old Git
Maniototo Man wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:We're going to end up with Gifs and still pics aren't we.

I liked this pic you posted earlier. If you tackled her on the hips your hand would immediately slide straight up to her head.

Image
It was the very first image when I googled pear-shaped. How fitting that she was wearing red while holding black weights. :D

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:57 am
by Toro
RodneyRegis wrote:FFS. The TMO stopped it at the point of contact. It was directly on his neck, and he pulled his head round.
Yeah it really wasn't that controversial. Just a the stage of a tight game where a penalty try somewhat decided the game and left a bad taste in the mouth.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:59 am
by SecretAgentMan
RodneyRegis wrote:FFS. The TMO stopped it at the point of contact. It was directly on his neck, and he pulled his head round.
This debacle is not the officials' fault. They're victims, too. Who would want to be a ref under these conditions? Charged with butchering the game you love. As I said before, the law is an ass.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:02 am
by Toro
SecretAgentMan wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:FFS. The TMO stopped it at the point of contact. It was directly on his neck, and he pulled his head round.
This debacle is not the officials' fault. They're victims, too. Who would want to be a ref under these conditions? Charged with butchering the game you love. As I said before, the law is an ass.
Maybe for the yellow but he clearly stopped him from getting the try by pulling on his neck, that's been a PT for a long time.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:05 am
by bimboman
Toro wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:FFS. The TMO stopped it at the point of contact. It was directly on his neck, and he pulled his head round.
This debacle is not the officials' fault. They're victims, too. Who would want to be a ref under these conditions? Charged with butchering the game you love. As I said before, the law is an ass.
Maybe for the yellow but he clearly stopped him from getting the try by pulling on his neck, that's been a PT for a long time.
We have had yellows for penalties that direct try's for a while too.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:11 am
by Tehui
I didn't see the match. But it sounds like the Crusaders gave them Chiefs a hiding.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:15 am
by Flockwitt
Just back from the game. That Cheifs side will cause more than a few teams some problems once they settle into their stride. Shame about Charlie. Crusaders looking friggin ominous though :|

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:33 am
by Fat Old Git
Tehui wrote:I didn't see the match. But it sounds like the Crusaders gave them Chiefs a hiding.
It was much closer than the final score suggested. Went silly in the final 8 minutes including several intercept trys.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:35 am
by SecretAgentMan
bimboman wrote:
Toro wrote:
SecretAgentMan wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:FFS. The TMO stopped it at the point of contact. It was directly on his neck, and he pulled his head round.
This debacle is not the officials' fault. They're victims, too. Who would want to be a ref under these conditions? Charged with butchering the game you love. As I said before, the law is an ass.
Maybe for the yellow but he clearly stopped him from getting the try by pulling on his neck, that's been a PT for a long time.
We have had yellows for penalties that direct try's for a while too.
So instead of having the players standing around scratching their heads and copping bans for doing exactly what they've been coached to do all their fecking lives, let's take this abomination to its logical conclusion and have the game played in ultra slo-mo. And restrict the players' running stride, like they do with trotters and pacers and other dumb animals. Under penalty of a red card. And let's have 6 on-field referees as well. And a video replay after every contact. And armed teachers in the classrooms. Just to be on the safe side.

Re: SR: Crusaders v Chiefs: MATCH THREAD: Sat 24th Feb

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:30 am
by BillW
SecretAgentMan wrote:
RodneyRegis wrote:FFS. The TMO stopped it at the point of contact. It was directly on his neck, and he pulled his head round.
This debacle is not the officials' fault. They're victims, too. Who would want to be a ref under these conditions? Charged with butchering the game you love. As I said before, the law is an ass.
You're taking this real hard SAM.
The yellow card was not for the high tackle - that was just a penalty.
A penalisable offence prevented a try from being scored, so a penalty try was awarded, resulting in a mandatory yellow card.
Hell's bloody bells it happens all the time from way lesser offences, such as deliberate knock downs, early tackles etc.
Remember SBW batting a high kick dead in goal?
Made no difference to the end result.