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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:58 pm 
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This was an interesting vid: Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world. The title ins a bit inflammatory but it was still quite interesting to see how people got on.


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Seems a teacher was demoing a gun at school today and actually shot himself in the foot! :lol:


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Seems a teacher was demoing a gun at school today and actually shot himself in the foot! :lol:



Give the man a Purple Heart...

Maybe lessons in firearm safety should be compulsory for all.


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Maybe lessons in firearm safety should be compulsory for all.


Or.....we could live somewhere where it will never be required. :)


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:59 pm 
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Given that attempting a mass shooting at a school is not the action of a rational individual, I hardly think arming teachers is going to be much of a deterrent.


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Sandstorm wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Maybe lessons in firearm safety should be compulsory for all.


Or.....we could live somewhere where it will never be required. :)



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Look at this mess of a comment

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I know it's STDH but still.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:23 pm 
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Sort of. Times changed.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:41 pm 
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
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I can see the local antifa chapters piss their pants when the US Army deploys a series of lecturers... :lol:

Actually I’d pay to see that. :lol:



:lol:

Sandy - aren't you a teacher ? In civvy life ?

No, my brother is. Yank13 is a teacher



So is Obelixtm right - soldiers are too dumb to be teachers ?

Not in America where dumb is a national pastime.


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Sandstorm wrote:
Seems a teacher was demoing a gun at school today and actually shot himself in the foot! :lol:

The most common injury to US "highly trained" enforcement professionals.


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One of these days you will get SEAL trained pedagogues ...


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
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Seems a teacher was demoing a gun at school today and actually shot himself in the foot! :lol:

The most common injury to US "highly trained" enforcement professionals.


This vid is as old as the hills... please don't tell me he still has a job with the DEA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNa5n2I_DUw


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Look at this mess of a comment

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I know it's STDH but still.


But it highlights the mindset


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:22 pm 
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Arm the teachers. Inevitably when a teacher goes postal the logical progression will be to arm the pupils.


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Arm the teachers. Inevitably when a teacher goes postal the logical progression will be to arm the pupils.


I think you're onto something here more guns = safer. Keep adding guns until the US is so safe you could drink bleach with impunity.


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Turbogoat wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Seems a teacher was demoing a gun at school today and actually shot himself in the foot! :lol:

The most common injury to US "highly trained" enforcement professionals.


This vid is as old as the hills... please don't tell me he still has a job with the DEA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNa5n2I_DUw

The longer video below that is great, he turns it into a brilliant teaching point :lol:


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Does anyone really believe there will be less guns in the US for the foreseeable future?

There is some chance of limiting some guns and the opportunity to expand the definition of mentally ill to exclude more people

But that is playing at the edges.

Despite the massive drive to ban bump stocks after Los Vegas, Trump chose to try to expand the definitions of already banned guns to include bump stocks, not try to get any fresh legislation through the houses.


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It's extremely doubtful. The best case scenario that I can think of for the next 20 odd years is to gradually chip away at what is permissible to sell (bump stocks etc) and hope that public opinion gradually starts to turn away from automatic weapons. Also slowly expand things like background checks and owner databases.


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Maybe there is a sliver of hope - and if we can get politicians to stop accepting bribes from them ??? Who knows eh ...

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Members of the US National Rifle Association have lost a string of financial benefits since the Parkland high school shootings in Florida.

Corporate partners have dropped the gun lobby group, deciding it is not good business to link their brands to the NRA.

The loss of partners follows public complaints about the NRA's resistance to legislation whose backers have sought to limit access to assault rifles like the AR-15, a popular model among gun hobbyists that was used by killers at Parkland and in other school attacks.

The giant insurance company Chubb said on Friday (Saturday NZ time) that it has discontinued a gun-insurance programme that protected NRA members from lawsuits by people they shoot.

The NRA's loss of corporate partners follows protests about the group's resistance to bans on assault rifles like the AR-15.

In a statement, spokesman Jeffrey Zack said Chubb told the NRA it was cancelling the programme in November. That's a month after a gunman using AR-15 rifles shot more than 500 country music fans from his room at the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas, killing 59.

Chubb didn't announce the cancellation then, but confirmed it when the company was asked about gun insurance after the Parkland gun murders.

MetLife, the giant New York life insurer, also said on Friday it has canceled its NRA group-discount programme.

The NRA's credit card partner, First National Bank of Omaha, "will not renew" its NRA Visa Card contract with the organisation, bank spokesman Kevin Langin said in a statement on Thursday. He cited "customer feedback".

The group that controls Enterprise, National, and Alamo rental-car offices said in a statement it has "ended the discount for NRA members".

And internet-security platform Symantec said it is dropping a discount programme that let NRA members buy Symantec's LifeLock identity-theft service cheap, Reuters reported.

First National, Enterprise, MetLife, and Symantec were among brands targeted by ThinkProgress, a left-leaning activist organisation mobilising young people to protest corporate giveaways to NRA members.

"Affinity relationships" between college alumni and other membership groups and financial companies, airlines, and other organisations grew in the 1980s and '90s. Payments to the groups could total in the tens of millions of dollars.

In the early 1980s, the NRA had an affinity-card partnership with the former North Carolina National Bank, the predecessor to the current giant Bank of America. But the bank terminated the card in 1983, as it began buying other banks around the country.

After that, "the programme was available for decades – and nobody would touch it", a banker still active in credit cards said, requesting anonymity.

"There was no question in our minds that the NRA programme would have been big and profitable. But our management group would not consider it," said Richard Vague, who headed credit-card marketing efforts at JPMorgan Chase & Co and its predecessors in the 1990s, and then headed card lender Juniper Bank before selling it to Barclaycard USA.

"At Juniper, we had the chance to get the NRA affinity relationship, and we passed," Vague said. "We were still in a loss position and we needed the profits associated with a large affinity relationship."

Vague at first wanted the deal, but "morally resolute" colleagues brought the team "to a firm 'no' because of the assault-weapons issue," Vague said.

After Juniper and other banks declined NRA links in the early 2000s, First National Bank of Omaha agreed to begin selling the cards. Profits helped to boost the privately owned bank's expansion in the credit card business, until the NRA's reputation became too hot for the bank to continue.

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Stevus55 wrote:
It's extremely doubtful. The best case scenario that I can think of for the next 20 odd years is to gradually chip away at what is permissible to sell (bump stocks etc) and hope that public opinion gradually starts to turn away from automatic weapons. Also slowly expand things like background checks and owner databases.



f**king moron. Automatic weapons haev been banned since 1934.


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Stevus55 wrote:
It's extremely doubtful. The best case scenario that I can think of for the next 20 odd years is to gradually chip away at what is permissible to sell (bump stocks etc) and hope that public opinion gradually starts to turn away from automatic weapons. Also slowly expand things like background checks and owner databases.



f**king moron. Automatic weapons haev been banned since 1934.


A semi-auto with a bump stock is virtually automatic. Stop being a agressive prick, because you are the one coming across as a moron.


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Does anyone really believe there will be less guns in the US for the foreseeable future?

There is some chance of limiting some guns and the opportunity to expand the definition of mentally ill to exclude more people

But that is playing at the edges.

Despite the massive drive to ban bump stocks after Los Vegas, Trump chose to try to expand the definitions of already banned guns to include bump stocks, not try to get any fresh legislation through the houses.

No it won't, it will quite honestly take after I'm long gone to have a major effect but hell with this issue the long game should be played. Bump stocks won't instantly disappear as would semi-autos or mental people with guns but chip away at the edges and you can slowly but surely get to the centre.


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This is what happens elsewhere when people really want guns

https://select.timeslive.co.za/news/201 ... dead-dogs/


And this is what happens afterwards..

http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/top-ne ... lers-dead/

In a country with rather strict gun control.


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One thing we could hope to come out of this is that the NRA become toxic.
No politician would want (or could afford) to be associated with them, much less accept campaign funds from them. The carefully tended grading system that the NRA have for elected officials judging them on their stance on gun control could well be inverted and used to remove many of them who have followed the NRA guidelines on refusing to adapt gun laws to modern needs.


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“How could this ever happen in this country? How could this happen in this state?” Scott said, adding that his “prayers are with everybody impacted.”

Erm... :roll:


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What a bunch of morons.

Truly, they only care about the dollar over there, don't let all the god talk fool you. Everyne and everything has a pice in the states.


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Whenever the NRA is mentioned, I'm always reminded of this scene:

https://youtu.be/PS6lNDrCi88


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BlackMac wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
Stevus55 wrote:
It's extremely doubtful. The best case scenario that I can think of for the next 20 odd years is to gradually chip away at what is permissible to sell (bump stocks etc) and hope that public opinion gradually starts to turn away from automatic weapons. Also slowly expand things like background checks and owner databases.



f**king moron. Automatic weapons haev been banned since 1934.


A semi-auto with a bump stock is virtually automatic. Stop being a agressive prick, because you are the one coming across as a moron.

THIS.


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Sonny Blount wrote:
Stevus55 wrote:
It's extremely doubtful. The best case scenario that I can think of for the next 20 odd years is to gradually chip away at what is permissible to sell (bump stocks etc) and hope that public opinion gradually starts to turn away from automatic weapons. Also slowly expand things like background checks and owner databases.



f**king moron. Automatic weapons haev been banned since 1934.


Charming. Clearly a typo/brain-fart.


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Stevus55 wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
Stevus55 wrote:
It's extremely doubtful. The best case scenario that I can think of for the next 20 odd years is to gradually chip away at what is permissible to sell (bump stocks etc) and hope that public opinion gradually starts to turn away from automatic weapons. Also slowly expand things like background checks and owner databases.



f**king moron. Automatic weapons haev been banned since 1934.


Charming. Clearly a typo/brain-fart.


But it begs the question on why fully automatic weapons are banned and this is not an issue ?


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Simpsons covered what's likely to happen ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E33Z0RPWuHs


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Stevus55 wrote:
It's extremely doubtful. The best case scenario that I can think of for the next 20 odd years is to gradually chip away at what is permissible to sell (bump stocks etc) and hope that public opinion gradually starts to turn away from automatic weapons. Also slowly expand things like background checks and owner databases.



f**king moron. Automatic weapons haev been banned since 1934.


Charming. Clearly a typo/brain-fart.


But it begs the question on why fully automatic weapons are banned and this is not an issue ?


Indeed. 2nd amendment or not, there are some people with the sense to know that giving the people unrestricted access to weaponry was not its aim.

This is a multi bllion dollar industry in the states employing hundreds of thousands to provide the arms and ammunition to its citizens. They are not going to see restrictions placed on it without a f**king huge fight.


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I understand that

The question in my mind is why are fully automatic weapons banned but semi automatic weapons are not.

What is the distinction, from the viewpoint of the 2nd amendment?


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argus wrote:
Stevus55 wrote:
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Stevus55 wrote:
It's extremely doubtful. The best case scenario that I can think of for the next 20 odd years is to gradually chip away at what is permissible to sell (bump stocks etc) and hope that public opinion gradually starts to turn away from automatic weapons. Also slowly expand things like background checks and owner databases.



f**king moron. Automatic weapons haev been banned since 1934.


Charming. Clearly a typo/brain-fart.


But it begs the question on why fully automatic weapons are banned and this is not an issue ?


Well there's also the problem that there is a a whole industry in the US of people making conversion kits & guides to take a legal semi-auto, & turn it into a fully auto. Unfortunately the kits are covered by the 2nd amendment, & the guides are covered by free speech.


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That is a good point

Back to economics and money


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A federal court last year deemed that assault weapons could be banned (Maryland was being sued for banning a bunch of them and magazines bigger than 10 rounds) as the constitution didn't cover "weapons of war". The Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal against the decision.

So they can be banned and it can hold up in court (though it likely depends on which circuit court it ends up in).


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Guns make even some of the most intelligent Americans become paranoid and flat out dense.


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