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Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:22 pm
by Tehui
I preferred participating in softball, touch rugby & athletics rather than cricket in the summer period during my youth. I thought i chose these sports over cricket because i enjoyed the competition and social camaraderie more, but all this time it turns out i was genetically predisposed to not being able to concentrate for long periods. How on earth i managed to complete 5+ years of full time university study is a small miracle.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:42 pm
by eugenius
We all played softball at school.

Apart from one mate who was a rep fast bowler.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:44 pm
by Shrekles
Tehui wrote:I preferred participating in softball, touch rugby & athletics rather than cricket in the summer period during my youth. I thought i chose these sports over cricket because i enjoyed the competition and social camaraderie more, but all this time it turns out i was genetically predisposed to not being able to concentrate for long periods. How on earth i managed to complete 5+ years of full time university study is a small miracle.
It should have only taken you 3 years, right?

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:46 pm
by True Blue
Cricket is overall not as popular in Auckland as most of the country, and since a large chunk of PI's live up here they don't get the exposure to it. Plus I think it's just not seen as popular within their community.

Growing up in a diverse area (for the time) softball seemed more popular as a summer sport. I played softball myself, even made it to the North Harbour rep team before I couldn't stand playing for the filthy traitors but couldn't get into the Auckland team.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:01 pm
by Tehui
Shrekles wrote:
Tehui wrote:I preferred participating in softball, touch rugby & athletics rather than cricket in the summer period during my youth. I thought i chose these sports over cricket because i enjoyed the competition and social camaraderie more, but all this time it turns out i was genetically predisposed to not being able to concentrate for long periods. How on earth i managed to complete 5+ years of full time university study is a small miracle.
It should have only taken you 3 years, right?
LOL. Includes post-grad bro.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:06 pm
by Mr Mike
Gordon Bennett wrote:There's definitely some ingrained institutional racism against Maori & pacific islanders in cricket that I've seen perpetuated at club level at the very least. That image of "they aren't good at concentrating over long periods" - i.e. heavily implying they're lazy or won't put the work in - seems to follow them around, regardless of their work ethic. A number of top quality players are ultimately lost to the game as a result.

That's why it annoys me when people who should know better continue to use those stereotypes in normal conversation.

I also wonder why the treatment of Ross Taylor, given his immense value to NZC and his position as one of NZ's best has been consistently shabbier than some of his peers.
badmannotinjapan wrote:Eric Rush on Sports Cafe stated the very fact. How many Maori/PI play cricket and make it through to higher honours? Murphy Su'a, Adam Parore, D.Tuff...now Rosco. Poorly worded maybe but not inaccurate.
Jesse Ryder too.
Heath Te-Ihi-O-Te-Rangi Davis

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:09 pm
by Enzedder
Mr Mike wrote:
Gordon Bennett wrote:There's definitely some ingrained institutional racism against Maori & pacific islanders in cricket that I've seen perpetuated at club level at the very least. That image of "they aren't good at concentrating over long periods" - i.e. heavily implying they're lazy or won't put the work in - seems to follow them around, regardless of their work ethic. A number of top quality players are ultimately lost to the game as a result.

That's why it annoys me when people who should know better continue to use those stereotypes in normal conversation.

I also wonder why the treatment of Ross Taylor, given his immense value to NZC and his position as one of NZ's best has been consistently shabbier than some of his peers.
badmannotinjapan wrote:Eric Rush on Sports Cafe stated the very fact. How many Maori/PI play cricket and make it through to higher honours? Murphy Su'a, Adam Parore, D.Tuff...now Rosco. Poorly worded maybe but not inaccurate.
Jesse Ryder too.
Heath Te-Ihi-O-Te-Rangi Davis
He of the worst first over in test cricket.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:47 pm
by naki
Not a single one of my Maori friends at school played cricket beyond the age of around 11 or 12, and even before then we’d play rugby all winter but I’d barely see them in the summer. I didn’t analyse it at the time but clearly the real reason was that cricket is an astonishingly boring game that is a waste of everyone’s time and resources and the bros were just quicker on the uptake about that incontrovertible fact.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:04 am
by Tehui
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Shrekles wrote:
Tehui wrote:I preferred participating in softball, touch rugby & athletics rather than cricket in the summer period during my youth. I thought i chose these sports over cricket because i enjoyed the competition and social camaraderie more, but all this time it turns out i was genetically predisposed to not being able to concentrate for long periods. How on earth i managed to complete 5+ years of full time university study is a small miracle.
It should have only taken you 3 years, right?
LOL. Includes post-grad bro.
If the low representation of Polynesians at the very top echelons of cricket was due to very slight differences in concentration levels that manifest themselves at elite levels, then that would say next to nothing about your specific individual ability to concentrate for long periods.
As you say, it's cool being a white guy.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:59 am
by The Native
Anyway, apparently Taylor was put though a fitness test today and was moving freely though heavily strapped.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=12009655

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:46 am
by mrbrownstone
The Native wrote:Anyway, apparently Taylor was put though a fitness test today and was moving freely though heavily strapped.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=12009655
Would love him to play obviously, but is it worth risking his fitness for the test series?

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:46 am
by TheDocForgotHisLogon
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:Heath Te-Ihi-O-Te-Rangi Davis
I used to watch him play club cricket on Kelburn Park. By Christ he was quick.
He was like my brother off the tee though - hits a long long ball but more out of bounds on his own than the rest of the four put together.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:35 am
by Enzedder
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:Heath Te-Ihi-O-Te-Rangi Davis
I used to watch him play club cricket on Kelburn Park. By Christ he was quick.
He was like my brother off the tee though - hits a long long ball but more out of bounds on his own than the rest of the four put together.
Stew Cater was better. Not as quick but more useful. Both were way better and quicker than I was

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:42 am
by Jay Cee Gee
Enzedder wrote:
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:Heath Te-Ihi-O-Te-Rangi Davis
I used to watch him play club cricket on Kelburn Park. By Christ he was quick.
He was like my brother off the tee though - hits a long long ball but more out of bounds on his own than the rest of the four put together.
Stew Cater was better. Not as quick but more useful. Both were way better and quicker than I was
Yes, but did Cater sleep on the pitch at the Basin or play first class games under the influence of hallucinogens?

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:30 am
by badmannotinjapan
deadduck wrote:I reckon it's far more likely that the lack of top class Polynesian cricketers has more to do with access to good cricket coaching at a young age. There's heaps in the club scene, but for many it's deficiencies in the technical aspects of the game that prevents them from reaching the highest level.
For those that do end up in top sporting schools, rugby is more popular and has better pathways to success.
If they go to school with the whiteys and play cricket at those schools/club I'd assume they'd have the same access as anyone else, no?

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:32 am
by Enzedder
At that age they are influenced a huge amount by their peers too - how many of you played a sport where you didn't have any mates?

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:49 am
by Anonymous 1
Think there may be more interest in the decider. Had the feeling from the start it was going to be level going into the last game.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:30 am
by brat
Can’t believe the race card is out.. there’s nothing in what Crowe or cumming said ..end of

I don’t think they should risk him for this game, our middle order is a bit rubbish without him.. that said he might want to play and maybe ok so hesson is hardly going to refuse

At the end of this summer we will look at a test “series’ win as a much bigger achievement than 3-2 in the Odis imho

Latham is looking good, hopefully he and raval can carry on their good opening form

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:10 am
by Anonymous 1
badmannotinjapan wrote:
deadduck wrote:I reckon it's far more likely that the lack of top class Polynesian cricketers has more to do with access to good cricket coaching at a young age. There's heaps in the club scene, but for many it's deficiencies in the technical aspects of the game that prevents them from reaching the highest level.
For those that do end up in top sporting schools, rugby is more popular and has better pathways to success.
If they go to school with the whiteys and play cricket at those schools/club I'd assume they'd have the same access as anyone else, no?
And you read what he wrote :roll:

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:45 am
by Ghost-Of-Nepia
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:Heath Te-Ihi-O-Te-Rangi Davis
I used to watch him play club cricket on Kelburn Park. By Christ he was quick.
He was like my brother off the tee though - hits a long long ball but more out of bounds on his own than the rest of the four put together.
Stew Cater was better. Not as quick but more useful. Both were way better and quicker than I was
Yes, but did Cater sleep on the pitch at the Basin or play first class games under the influence of hallucinogens?
Or fudge an Alsatian?

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:02 pm
by badmannotinjapan
Anonymous. wrote:
badmannotinjapan wrote:
deadduck wrote:I reckon it's far more likely that the lack of top class Polynesian cricketers has more to do with access to good cricket coaching at a young age. There's heaps in the club scene, but for many it's deficiencies in the technical aspects of the game that prevents them from reaching the highest level.
For those that do end up in top sporting schools, rugby is more popular and has better pathways to success.
If they go to school with the whiteys and play cricket at those schools/club I'd assume they'd have the same access as anyone else, no?
And you read what he wrote :roll:
:?:

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:40 pm
by Andalu
One thing to add is that non-Maori Polynesians don't make up a massive % of the population so to have Rosco as one of our premier players kinda shows there is not a massive under-representation at the highest levels. You'd expect in sports where attributes like muscle mass are not very important, that the representation of Polynesian New Zealanders would be closer to their percentage of the population.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:49 pm
by Ghost-Of-Nepia
Enzedder wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Gordon Bennett wrote:There's definitely some ingrained institutional racism against Maori & pacific islanders in cricket that I've seen perpetuated at club level at the very least. That image of "they aren't good at concentrating over long periods" - i.e. heavily implying they're lazy or won't put the work in - seems to follow them around, regardless of their work ethic. A number of top quality players are ultimately lost to the game as a result.

That's why it annoys me when people who should know better continue to use those stereotypes in normal conversation.

I also wonder why the treatment of Ross Taylor, given his immense value to NZC and his position as one of NZ's best has been consistently shabbier than some of his peers.
badmannotinjapan wrote:Eric Rush on Sports Cafe stated the very fact. How many Maori/PI play cricket and make it through to higher honours? Murphy Su'a, Adam Parore, D.Tuff...now Rosco. Poorly worded maybe but not inaccurate.
Jesse Ryder too.
Heath Te-Ihi-O-Te-Rangi Davis
He of the worst first over in test cricket.
And Tuffey delivered the worst first over in ODI cricket . I'm sensing a trend here.


Bloody Maoris...

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:27 pm
by J Man
Seriously, who f^cken cares?

Let people play the sport they want to play - and then pick the best people for rep teams.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:57 pm
by jambanja
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
mr bungle wrote:
:uhoh: :yawn: Take your race preciousness elsewhere.
No one was forcing you to defend Martin Crowe's honour either, dude.
I was sure joe punter making such a sensitive claim about perceived racism must have been unaware of their close to father/son relationship.
I was aware, which is why I said I was sure he wasn't offended. Nor was I btw, it was harmless but I don't really see how making jokes about how another language sounds funny isn't a wee bit racist.

I'm not actually criticising Crowe, or Cumming for that matter - it's more a WTF, than actually being offended.

For reference, I made a joke about Asians eating cats the other day which was wayyyyyy more racist than saying Tuisi, Tuisi.
Sorry but whaaat, it’s done all the time, quite often on tv or live in front of large audiences, quite often it’s very funny too. There’s been one particularly funny skit doing the rounds about two Scottish bloke in a voice activated elevator, trying but failing miserably to get it to work...racist bastards :roll:

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:32 pm
by J Man
The Samoan Maori who arguably shouldn't even be in the team due to concentration issues has been confirmed ruled out due to a quadricep injury.

From Cricinfo:
NZC have confirmed Taylor's absence. Here's what they had to say: "Taylor, who has been battling a quadricep injury from the previous match, was only able to run at 70 percent without discomfort while taking a fitness examination this morning. After discussion between Taylor and medical staff, a joint decision was made that he would not be able to play in the deciding match and would be at high risk of significantly aggravating the injury ahead of the upcoming Test series."

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:33 pm
by SecretAgentMan
The 5th ODI kicks off in Christchurch in about 25 minutes.

Ross Taylor and Jason Roy both out.

England has won the toss and will bowl.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:42 pm
by J Man
I'd prefer NZ chasing. I think we lose thepblot a bit trying to work out what a good total is. Munro aims for 500 with 7 runs off 3 balls and then out. Williamson then comes in and scores 8 off 30.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:51 pm
by Auckman
Re: the polynesian thing in cricket.

I think it is a cultural/upbringing thing. If the game is big in your upbringing, you'll be into it. If not, it won't.

I am of samoan-heritage but I spent my formative years in Perth, WA (Australia) and cricket was a regular part of my life. After school, during school, hell even at parties we'd get the cricket bat and ball out and play drunken cricket. There are cricket nets at every local "oval" (local park) in the vicinity. There were 4 just within walking distance of my last house. As a result, I was hooked on the game and even went down to the nets by myself to practice my bowling. When I moved back to NZ, I found that cricket was nowhere the done thing among my family or in the wider Samoan community (except for Kilikiti during summer; and only then for the church teams but it wasn't a regular "go down to the local park and play kilikiti" type thing). Touch rugby (or even full tackle "touch" rugby) was the regular thing to do on social occasions. The cricket infrastructure in Auckland is also really poor. I went from 4 local parks with cricket nets within 10-20mins walk in Perth to 1 park with a cricket net nearly 10kms away (40min walk) in Manurewa, Auckland.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:58 pm
by J Man
Can we please have multiple pages about Mark Champan's Chinese heritage?

I wonder if he is good at piano and maths.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:00 pm
by Auckman
guy smiley wrote: :thumbup:
Most of the local parks here in Perth are actually laid out in ovals too. AFL in winter, cricket in summer. I dropped a friend off in the northern suburbs last week and drove past a succession of ovals on the way. It's a marked difference, you can see it from the air flying into any Australian city.
Yep, that's where I lived (greenwood). There are cricket nets everywhere. :thumbup:

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:00 pm
by J Man
Why does Sky TV always notify us about the yellow button alternative commentary when there nothing on it?

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:01 pm
by Jay Cee Gee
J Man wrote:Can we please have multiple pages about Mark Champan's Chinese heritage?

I wonder if he is good at piano and maths.
Never mind, that how come he's not still in jail for murdering John Lennon?

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:02 pm
by J Man
Shot Munro

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:04 pm
by Marshall Banana
Who didn't see that coming?

:frown:

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:05 pm
by SecretAgentMan
FFS :x

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:05 pm
by RuggaBugga
Bloody Munro, he's having a shocker

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:05 pm
by Tehui
:lol:

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:05 pm
by WoodlandsRFC
J Man wrote:Shot Munro
Shot Lennon to be fair.

Re: NZ vs England - ODI Series

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:08 pm
by J Man
I don't like the look of this.

Bowling well should be considered cheating.