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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:25 am 
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Wait for the bleating from the Aussies.


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Wait for the bleating from the Aussies.

You've never stopped


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Wait for the bleating from the Aussies.

We've never stopped

Fixed for accuracy. ;)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:31 am 
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Chilli wrote:
Wait for the bleating from the Aussies.

And right on time!

I believe that most of the evidence hinged on this encounter which was apparently deemed non-confrontational.

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Should be some good send offs in the coming Test.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:35 am 
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In his judgment, Heron said that he was not satisfied that Rabada's physical contact with Smith matched the "inappropriate and deliberate" definition covered by the ICC code of conduct.

"The key issue is whether Mr Rabada made 'inappropriate and deliberate physical contact' with Mr Smith," Heron wrote. "I am not 'comfortably satisfied' that Mr Rabada intended to make contact and I therefore find him not guilty of the charge under 2.2.7.

"I am entitled, however, to consider whether the conduct involved constitutes a lower level offence. I consider the conduct was inappropriate, lacked respect for his fellow player and involved non-deliberate and minor contact. The actions contravened the principle that a dismissed batsman should be left alone.


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Rinkals wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Wait for the bleating from the Aussies.

And right on time!

I believe that most of the evidence hinged on this encounter which was apparently deemed non-confrontational.

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On the Stokes scale that's positively sedate.


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Rinkals wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Wait for the bleating from the Aussies.

And right on time!

I believe that most of the evidence hinged on this encounter which was apparently deemed non-confrontational.

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I think I remember this. Is this where they shoulder charged each other midpitch?


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:lol: did not expect that, not guilty wow, interesting to see how the Aussie media handles it.


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Happy he’s playing. The series would have been weakened by his absence.


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Shoulder pads, Shirley?


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Beaver_Shark wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Wait for the bleating from the Aussies.

And right on time!

I believe that most of the evidence hinged on this encounter which was apparently deemed non-confrontational.

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I think I remember this. Is this where they shoulder charged each other midpitch?

Yes.

Click on the Pic to go to the BBC article.

Jeff Crowe was the adjudicator that decided that the contact was accidental, but that "more could have been done" to avoid contact.


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Looks like the legal team knew what precedents to bring up. Hardly an accident that Australia was involved after a spiteful build up.
Glad everybody gets to play but I still want stump mic on full.


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Listened to Mpofu on 702 whilst coming back from a meeting. Eusebius put him on the spot by asking him how many wickets Rabada took in the last match. Answered without hesitation so clearly a cricket man.


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I wonder if he'll be smart enough to dial it back a notch this match. Or if his captain for that matter.


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Listened to Mpofu on 702 whilst coming back from a meeting. Eusebius put him on the spot by asking him how many wickets Rabada took in the last match. Answered without hesitation so clearly a cricket man.



Cricket - an elitist sport.


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I wonder if he'll be smart enough to dial it back a notch this match. Or if his captain for that matter.


Nah. I think he will try and bowel harder, faster, more accurate this time round.
ANd will answer fire with fire. Within reason.

The lad is defining himself, I love seeing such a character take shape.


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Crazy Ed wrote:
Looks like the legal team knew what precedents to bring up. Hardly an accident that Australia was involved after a spiteful build up.
Glad everybody gets to play but I still want stump mic on full.




They always seem to be involved in these incidents. The Aussie team will do their best to get Rabada banned for the final test so unfortunately expect plenty more verbals, hope Rabada keeps his cool.


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Interesting article on cricinfo hilighting the inconsistencies in the demerit system.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22841052/lost


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South Africa victimised again. Sad how much the ICC hates them.


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South Africa victimised again. Sad how much the ICC hates them.


We're just following their own rules on appealing a banning decision. Sounds like Rabada got good legal advice to me.


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Good for test cricket.


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Dumbledore wrote:
South Africa victimised again. Sad how much the ICC hates them.


:?

So they shouldn’t have appealed?


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I wonder if he'll be smart enough to dial it back a notch this match. Or if his captain for that matter.



Or any player with a suspension hanging over his head?


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Probably the correct outcome and very good for the series.

He should consider himself a very lucky boy though.


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Dumbledore wrote:
South Africa victimised again. Sad how much the ICC hates them.

I don't think the ICC hate us, but, as the cricinfo article I linked to above demonstrates, there is an inconsistency in the way demerit points are awarded.

When Stokes and Johnson clashed mid-pitch and had a heated exchange, there was no sanction and the contact was deemed "accidental", when it was quite clear that it was anything but.

Clearly, belonging to the top three gives you a lot more latitude when it comes to the application of any sanction.


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Rinkals wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:
South Africa victimised again. Sad how much the ICC hates them.

I don't think the ICC hate us, but, as the cricinfo article I linked to above demonstrates, there is an inconsistency in the way demerit points are awarded.

When Stokes and Johnson clashed mid-pitch and had a heated exchange, there was no sanction and the contact was deemed "accidental", when it was quite clear that it was anything but.

Clearly, belonging to the top three gives you a lot more latitude when it comes to the application of any sanction.

:lol:


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Just to add that I really didn't think that Rabada's appeal would succeed, but now that it has, we will see how he responds to the inevitable Australian "banter".

I don't doubt that the Aussies will ratchet the comments up and Rabada will need to exercise control.


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Rinkals wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:
South Africa victimised again. Sad how much the ICC hates them.

I don't think the ICC hate us, but, as the cricinfo article I linked to above demonstrates, there is an inconsistency in the way demerit points are awarded.

When Stokes and Johnson clashed mid-pitch and had a heated exchange, there was no sanction and the contact was deemed "accidental", when it was quite clear that it was anything but.

Clearly, belonging to the top three gives you a lot more latitude when it comes to the application of any sanction.


I read the article.... it is interesting to see an almost opposite judgement reached by the same match official to an incident a lot worse than the Rabada Smith one. Has there been any official policy statement issued since Johnson and Stokes that would lead to a stricter interpretation?


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Shoulder pads, Shirley?


Yes, quite. :thumbup:


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Just to add that I really didn't think that Rabada's appeal would succeed, but now that it has, we will see how he responds to the inevitable Australian "banter".

I don't doubt that the Aussies will ratchet the comments up and Rabada will need to exercise control.

Would it not happen the other way round?


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Just to add that I really didn't think that Rabada's appeal would succeed, but now that it has, we will see how he responds to the inevitable Australian "banter".

I don't doubt that the Aussies will ratchet the comments up and Rabada will need to exercise control.


As they should. Rabada is mentally fragile and now the ICC has given him the green light to barge into batsmen he has just dismissed. It's only a matter of time until he runs up and punches someone. If I was in the Aussie team, I'd be trying to fire him up even more.

What annoys me is that it sets the boundaries now. Will junior players now think it's okay to physically interact with players?


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Thomas wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Just to add that I really didn't think that Rabada's appeal would succeed, but now that it has, we will see how he responds to the inevitable Australian "banter".

I don't doubt that the Aussies will ratchet the comments up and Rabada will need to exercise control.


As they should. Rabada is mentally fragile and now the ICC has given him the green light to barge into batsmen he has just dismissed. It's only a matter of time until he runs up and punches someone. If I was in the Aussie team, I'd be trying to fire him up even more.

What annoys me is that it sets the boundaries now. Will junior players now think it's okay to physically interact with players?


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I wonder if he'll be smart enough to dial it back a notch this match. Or if his captain for that matter.


Nah. I think he will try and bowel harder, faster, more accurate this time round.
ANd will answer fire with fire. Within reason.

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Dumbledore wrote:
South Africa victimised again. Sad how much the ICC hates them.

I don't think the ICC hate us, but, as the cricinfo article I linked to above demonstrates, there is an inconsistency in the way demerit points are awarded.

When Stokes and Johnson clashed mid-pitch and had a heated exchange, there was no sanction and the contact was deemed "accidental", when it was quite clear that it was anything but.

Clearly, belonging to the top three gives you a lot more latitude when it comes to the application of any sanction.

:lol:

You don't think the demerit system is inconsistent?

That's fine: you are entitled to your opinion.


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I wonder if he'll be smart enough to dial it back a notch this match. Or if his captain for that matter.[/que]

Nah. I think he will try and bowel harder, faster, more accurate this time round.
ANd will answer fire with fire. Within reason.

4 pints and a Phal



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Posting on phone. But the Aussies might make his bowels churn ..


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Thomas wrote:
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Just to add that I really didn't think that Rabada's appeal would succeed, but now that it has, we will see how he responds to the inevitable Australian "banter".

I don't doubt that the Aussies will ratchet the comments up and Rabada will need to exercise control.


As they should. Rabada is mentally fragile and now the ICC has given him the green light to barge into batsmen he has just dismissed. It's only a matter of time until he runs up and punches someone. If I was in the Aussie team, I'd be trying to fire him up even more.

What annoys me is that it sets the boundaries now. Will junior players now think it's okay to physically interact with players?

I think you are reading weaknesses in Rabada that you hope to see.

I think he's a young player in his early twenties who is finding that he has the skill and ability to remove high ranking batsmen and is being over-exuberant. If Australia think that he is mentally fragile, as you seem to think, then, indeed, they should try to exploit that.

If you fear for junior players because of Rabada's faint brush with Smith, but are happy about Mitchell Johnson and Ben Stokes clashing in 2014, then it does seem hypocritical.


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