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Rinkals wrote:

Thomas wrote:

Rinkals wrote:

Rowdy wrote:From what I gather, this is just how the game's played in Aus. Test team mates one week, abusive state rivals the next. I don't think they save it up for test matches. It's a tough game, despite the tea and cucumber sandwiches image.

I have no issue with it, to be honest.

A large part of the game is played in the head and if you burst into tears at the first hint of a personal insult, then you aren't suited to test cricket. Nor club cricket for that matter.

I do have issue with the notion that David Warner is innocent of all charges and that the real bad guy is Quinton de Kock as suggested by Steve Smith. I also find the idea that Faf du Plessis is at fault for not controlling his players better to be similarly risible.

Similarly, I thought that AB de Villiers deserved to be humiliated by Lyon, given the stupidity of his dismissal.

Agree, but no one on here suggesting Warner is innocent. He's an angry dullard.

Steven Smith suggested that the fault lay entirely with de Kock.

He said none of the Aussies made any comment of a personal nature.

Thomas wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

Rinkals wrote:

Rowdy wrote:From what I gather, this is just how the game's played in Aus. Test team mates one week, abusive state rivals the next. I don't think they save it up for test matches. It's a tough game, despite the tea and cucumber sandwiches image.

I have no issue with it, to be honest.

A large part of the game is played in the head and if you burst into tears at the first hint of a personal insult, then you aren't suited to test cricket. Nor club cricket for that matter.

I do have issue with the notion that David Warner is innocent of all charges and that the real bad guy is Quinton de Kock as suggested by Steve Smith. I also find the idea that Faf du Plessis is at fault for not controlling his players better to be similarly risible.

Similarly, I thought that AB de Villiers deserved to be humiliated by Lyon, given the stupidity of his dismissal.

It's not the sledging that's an issue to me, it's 1) the extent the Aussies always seems to take it to and 2) the fact that they are usually the ones crying when they get it back. I guess we all need to play by their rules.

Dude, one of your main strike bowlers was suspended for his behaviour last year. So quit with the "Aussies are the only bad guys" bullshit.

Thomas wrote:

Rinkals wrote:

Thomas wrote:

Rinkals wrote:

Rowdy wrote:From what I gather, this is just how the game's played in Aus. Test team mates one week, abusive state rivals the next. I don't think they save it up for test matches. It's a tough game, despite the tea and cucumber sandwiches image.

I have no issue with it, to be honest.

A large part of the game is played in the head and if you burst into tears at the first hint of a personal insult, then you aren't suited to test cricket. Nor club cricket for that matter.

I do have issue with the notion that David Warner is innocent of all charges and that the real bad guy is Quinton de Kock as suggested by Steve Smith. I also find the idea that Faf du Plessis is at fault for not controlling his players better to be similarly risible.

Similarly, I thought that AB de Villiers deserved to be humiliated by Lyon, given the stupidity of his dismissal.

Agree, but no one on here suggesting Warner is innocent. He's an angry dullard.

Steven Smith suggested that the fault lay entirely with de Kock.

He said none of the Aussies made any comment of a personal nature.

So who are we to believe?

Masterji wrote:Even Aussies at club levels are complete arse holes. They get personal as Mcgrath did with Sarwan but when the reply comes they dont like. The Saffers should hold up pics of SBW the next time Warner walks out to bat, it will bring it home.

The Optimist wrote:

sunnybanana wrote:

Enzedder wrote:I just do not get the point of sledging and slagging off opponents.

It has NOTHING to do with sport and plenty to do with being a cunt

Great to see that they are both facing charges.

Worse still when people start to talk about the “art of sledging” - as if there’s anything particularly clever or creative about what they’re spouting

5 day cricket is just as mental as physical. I am not talking about family here, but if the opposition are so emotional fragile, then poor baby. Sack up, grab a broom and skirt and go curling darling! Plenty of times players have lost it because they cannot hack it. Part of the game, like diving in poofball.

Someone has already won the mental battle. The question is who?

Thomas wrote:Old mate saffee was suggesting that sledging is a solely Australian past time which is always the argument trotted out.

Past instances suggest all teams do it.

grievous wrote:

Masterji wrote:Even Aussies at club levels are complete arse holes. They get personal as Mcgrath did with Sarwan but when the reply comes they dont like. The Saffers should hold up pics of SBW the next time Warner walks out to bat, it will bring it home.

its turned into the inevitable attack on the Australian nation in general......surprised it took 11 pages

It may have made for some entertaining viewing, but Warner v De Kock has only served to detract from what should have been the major talking points to come out of Kingsmead.

Aiden Markram's 143 in the second innings will go down as the Test knock that saw him announce himself. He had scored centuries against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, but this knock came in a pressure situation against a quality bowling attack and with his side up against it.

Markram oozed class throughout, and after a difficult little period either side of his short stint as ODI captain, he has re-affirmed his position as one of the brightest prospects in South African cricket.

Still just 23, Markram looks the real deal just seven Tests into his career. He will score bucket loads of runs for his country, and the first Test at Kingsmead will be where it all started.

There was also a return to form for De Kock, who made 83 in South Africa's second innings. With three Test matches still to play, an in-form De Kock is crucial to the Proteas challenge.

De Kock's batting is what we should have been talking about.

Keshav Maharaj's nine wickets in the Test was the other positive for the Proteas.

More important than all of that, though, is that the Proteas were outplayed and now face an uphill task if they are to emerge with a series victory here.

Enzedder wrote:Perhaps Warner's Captain needs some attention from the ICC officials about his lack of action - shall we say condoning - of it.

saffer13 wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

sunnybanana wrote:

Enzedder wrote:I just do not get the point of sledging and slagging off opponents.

It has NOTHING to do with sport and plenty to do with being a cunt

Great to see that they are both facing charges.

Worse still when people start to talk about the “art of sledging” - as if there’s anything particularly clever or creative about what they’re spouting

5 day cricket is just as mental as physical. I am not talking about family here, but if the opposition are so emotional fragile, then poor baby. Sack up, grab a broom and skirt and go curling darling! Plenty of times players have lost it because they cannot hack it. Part of the game, like diving in poofball.

Someone has already won the mental battle. The question is who?

Not those crying about the sledging

Thomas wrote:Old mate saffee was suggesting that sledging is a solely Australian past time which is always the argument trotted out.

Past instances suggest all teams do it.

odd144 wrote:Around and around we go, simple fact, lived in Australia for over 10 years and to sum it up for you the Aussie blokey blokes think a Shane Warne type is a top mate but in reality they are pretty shit Imagine how you would feel if one of your children were romantically involved with these types .

For an average Aussie(clearly not the elitist PR ones) don't like this shit show, they think its crazy you get paid millions of dollars, have talent and get to play the sport you love for a living but act like a spoilt brat when things don't go your way.

Thankfully Warner and QDK have been charged, yes Warner more severe but still correct as he acted the bafooon. Warner would have been physical if not for his team mates. The average person doesn't accept that two wrongs make a right.

Thomas wrote:

odd144 wrote:Around and around we go, simple fact, lived in Australia for over 10 years and to sum it up for you the Aussie blokey blokes think a Shane Warne type is a top mate but in reality they are pretty shit Imagine how you would feel if one of your children were romantically involved with these types .

For an average Aussie(clearly not the elitist PR ones) don't like this shit show, they think its crazy you get paid millions of dollars, have talent and get to play the sport you love for a living but act like a spoilt brat when things don't go your way.

Thankfully Warner and QDK have been charged, yes Warner more severe but still correct as he acted the bafooon. Warner would have been physical if not for his team mates. The average person doesn't accept that two wrongs make a right.

I honestly have never met anyone who thinks Shane Warne is a top bloke.

He's a larrikan and was a genius on the pitch but everyone knows he's a chunky, weird bogan.

wamberal99 wrote:Fark me I hate sledging with a passion. Okay, I grew up in a totally different era, the blokes I played with when I first played senior cricket had seen military duty, or were old enough during WW2 to understand what real conflict was about, and what mental and physical damage it could cause.


It was unthinkable that anybody would say anything to an opponent, other than "good shot mate" or "well bowled", and we meant it.


The famous quote from Keith Miller still applies: "Pressure? I'll tell you what pressure is. Pressure is a Messerschmidt up your arse".


Warner should grow up. He does not need to react to slurs, on or off the world. To do so is to admit that you are a weak bastard, frankly.

guy smiley wrote:

grievous wrote:

Thomas wrote:Old mate saffee was suggesting that sledging is a solely Australian past time which is always the argument trotted out.

Past instances suggest all teams do it.

Trouble is you need the cricket to back it up and only Oz and India can do that right now.
SA were pathetic this test, they know it so they had to pull the old your wife so and so.....thats all they have.

Couple of points here and I think you've both sort of narrowed in on what keeps the thread churning...

yeah, all teams seem to indulge in sledging to varying degrees. It's definitely not just the Aussies. However, it usually gets elevated to ridiculous degrees when Australia are involved and while the Aussie team are happy to get into the faces of their opponents it does look as if they struggle when it comes back. That seems to be a trend that is growing. Perhaps other teams are getting better at taking it back to them or... and here's a rub. Smith came out in his press conference and said with a straight face it was instigated by deKock and Warner was innocent, so perhaps there's an attitude about being untouchable that leads to over reaction.

Either way, this shit definitely revolves around the Australian team to a greater degree than it does other teams and it's getting worse. It's not a good look.

Paine insists Australia did not cross a line, but de Kock did
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... e-kock-did

guy smiley wrote:

Thomas wrote: Maybe Smith is correct? We won't ever find out.

But, gee. That footage was leaked pretty damn quickly, wasn't it?

What was the media generated scandal that wasn't when England were here this summer?

And what was it last summer?

And the year before that?

odd144 wrote:

Paine insists Australia did not cross a line, but de Kock did
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... e-kock-did

What game are Australia playing, the poor little victim card? Was Warner fighting for his life, how does getting physical equate from " but but he reminded me that my wife sucked SBWs cock!"

guy smiley wrote:
Either way, this shit definitely revolves around the Australian team to a greater degree than it does other teams and it's getting worse. It's not a good look.

749a wrote:

guy smiley wrote:
Either way, this shit definitely revolves around the Australian team to a greater degree than it does other teams and it's getting worse. It's not a good look.

It's not getting worse. All teams are far better behaved than twenty years ago. There's just a lot more cameras and microphones out there these days

Thomas wrote:

odd144 wrote:

Paine insists Australia did not cross a line, but de Kock did
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... e-kock-did

What game are Australia playing, the poor little victim card? Was Warner fighting for his life, how does getting physical equate from " but but he reminded me that my wife sucked SBWs cock!"

I guess they don't like hearing the blatant lies coming from the SA camp. He's right though. If Warner was constantly sledging QDK about his family, surely one of the umpires would have heard, right?

odd144 wrote:

Thomas wrote:

odd144 wrote:

Paine insists Australia did not cross a line, but de Kock did
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... e-kock-did

What game are Australia playing, the poor little victim card? Was Warner fighting for his life, how does getting physical equate from " but but he reminded me that my wife sucked SBWs cock!"

I guess they don't like hearing the blatant lies coming from the SA camp. He's right though. If Warner was constantly sledging QDK about his family, surely one of the umpires would have heard, right?

True but immaterial as Warners actions were far worse after the fact, are you forgetting that QDK has a level 1 charge and Warner a level 2, seems spot on to me.

Thomas wrote:

749a wrote:

guy smiley wrote:
Either way, this shit definitely revolves around the Australian team to a greater degree than it does other teams and it's getting worse. It's not a good look.

It's not getting worse. All teams are far better behaved than twenty years ago. There's just a lot more cameras and microphones out there these days

Yep. Very true.

The players of the 70's, 80's and 90's weren't saints.

I remember Steve Waugh laughing about being sledged by the Saffas after they were let back into world sport. Reckons they were relentlessly gibbering at him in Afrikaans every time he walked out to bat. It takes a special kind of stupid to sledge someone in a language they don't understand.

Thomas wrote:

odd144 wrote:

Paine insists Australia did not cross a line, but de Kock did
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... e-kock-did

What game are Australia playing, the poor little victim card? Was Warner fighting for his life, how does getting physical equate from " but but he reminded me that my wife sucked SBWs cock!"

I guess they don't like hearing the blatant lies coming from the SA camp. He's right though. If Warner was constantly sledging QDK about his family, surely one of the umpires would have heard, right?

Thomas wrote:

749a wrote:

guy smiley wrote:
Either way, this shit definitely revolves around the Australian team to a greater degree than it does other teams and it's getting worse. It's not a good look.

It's not getting worse. All teams are far better behaved than twenty years ago. There's just a lot more cameras and microphones out there these days

Yep. Very true.

The players of the 70's, 80's and 90's weren't saints.

I remember Steve Waugh laughing about being sledged by the Saffas after they were let back into world sport. Reckons they were relentlessly gibbering at him in Afrikaans every time he walked out to bat. It takes a special kind of stupid to sledge someone in a language they don't understand.

saffer13 wrote:

Thomas wrote:

749a wrote:

guy smiley wrote:
Either way, this shit definitely revolves around the Australian team to a greater degree than it does other teams and it's getting worse. It's not a good look.

It's not getting worse. All teams are far better behaved than twenty years ago. There's just a lot more cameras and microphones out there these days

Yep. Very true.

The players of the 70's, 80's and 90's weren't saints.

I remember Steve Waugh laughing about being sledged by the Saffas after they were let back into world sport. Reckons they were relentlessly gibbering at him in Afrikaans every time he walked out to bat. It takes a special kind of stupid to sledge someone in a language they don't understand.

Well when we sledge in English you lot start crying and want to fight.

Sandstorm wrote:

Thomas wrote:

749a wrote:

guy smiley wrote:
Either way, this shit definitely revolves around the Australian team to a greater degree than it does other teams and it's getting worse. It's not a good look.

It's not getting worse. All teams are far better behaved than twenty years ago. There's just a lot more cameras and microphones out there these days

Yep. Very true.

The players of the 70's, 80's and 90's weren't saints.

I remember Steve Waugh laughing about being sledged by the Saffas after they were let back into world sport. Reckons they were relentlessly gibbering at him in Afrikaans every time he walked out to bat. It takes a special kind of stupid to sledge someone in a language they don't understand.

If he didn’t understand the language, how did he know they were even talking about him??

More Aussie arrogance

Masterji wrote:the greedy Aussies just grin and bare.

Thomas wrote:

749a wrote:

guy smiley wrote:
Either way, this shit definitely revolves around the Australian team to a greater degree than it does other teams and it's getting worse. It's not a good look.

It's not getting worse. All teams are far better behaved than twenty years ago. There's just a lot more cameras and microphones out there these days

Yep. Very true.

The players of the 70's, 80's and 90's weren't saints.

I remember Steve Waugh laughing about being sledged by the Saffas after they were let back into world sport. Reckons they were relentlessly gibbering at him in Afrikaans every time he walked out to bat. It takes a special kind of stupid to sledge someone in a language they don't understand.

guy smiley wrote:
Cricket threads really bring out the best in you Thomas

I can see why you'd struggle with the idea that maybe the Aussies put a foot wrong on the pitch every now and then.

Bindi wrote:Has our Davey been exonerated yet?