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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:13 am 
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"Oim Soimin Brudges. Oim standing for leeda of the Nesional pardy"


According to linguists, this is where the NZ accent is heading to. Gawd help us.


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For an outsider's perspective I invited the British sociolinguist Professor Peter Trudgill to listen to a recording of Simon Bridges.

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"This is a fantastic New Zealand accent which I'm very excited to have heard, with many of the features which serve most strongly to distinguish the Kiwi from the Aussie. English-speaking people from the Northern Hemisphere generally have great trouble in telling Australians and New Zealanders from one another, but with Simon Bridges this is not the case. His is a very un-Australian accent with most of the innovating, modern NZ features which will over the coming decades take the two accents further apart.

"The Kiwi accent is going to become more and more distinctive as the decades go by: all the accents of English around the world are gradually diverging from one another. Simon Bridges has an accent which is in many respects in the vanguard of this development in NZ. This is the accent of the New Zealand of the future, and people who don't like it had better get used to it."

Today we can listen to recordings of people who were young men and women when the complaints about the early New Zealand accent were being made and we wonder what the fuss was about. They just sound like old New Zealanders. In 50 years time people will listen to recordings of Simon Bridges and wonder why on earth people were commenting on his pronunciation.


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He's got a funny mouth.


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all the accents of English around the world are gradually diverging from one another.


I would have thought the opposite - with all the American media we consume, that we would all converge on a pan-American accent.


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all the accents of English around the world are gradually diverging from one another.


I would have thought the opposite - with all the American media we consume, that we would all converge on a pan-American accent.


Nothing worse than a foreigner who speaks English with an American accent. I actually think they should be killed. Modest I know, but a necessary course of action.


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all the accents of English around the world are gradually diverging from one another.


I would have thought the opposite - with all the American media we consume, that we would all converge on a pan-American accent.


Nothing worse than a foreigner who speaks English with an American accent. I actually think they should be killed. Modest I know, but a necessary course of action.


You must love people from the Philippines.

Personally, listening to somebody with a strong kiwi accent is like listening to somebody scratch a blackboard.

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He's excruciating to listen to.

And he has big splotches on his face.

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Absolutely, and to think both Bridges and super dildo are in the running to be leader of the opposition x(


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I loved that they managed to throw in "People who wouldn't dream of making jokes about a person's gender or ethnicity are very happy to make adverse comments or jokes about speakers using a lower class variety of language. It doesn't matter that this is no more a matter of personal choice than the colour of the speakers' skin."

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J Man wrote:
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all the accents of English around the world are gradually diverging from one another.


I would have thought the opposite - with all the American media we consume, that we would all converge on a pan-American accent.


That was my thought.


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eldanielfire wrote:
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all the accents of English around the world are gradually diverging from one another.


I would have thought the opposite - with all the American media we consume, that we would all converge on a pan-American accent.


That was my thought.


Define the American accent. Enough variation across the States to prevent that.


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Don’t know what they’re talking about, he siounds foine.


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eldanielfire wrote:
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all the accents of English around the world are gradually diverging from one another.


I would have thought the opposite - with all the American media we consume, that we would all converge on a pan-American accent.


That was my thought.


I think the difference is that the academic guy studies this shit and you don't.


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wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


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wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


We sometimes get mistaken for South African also. That one hurts.


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Santa wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
J Man wrote:
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all the accents of English around the world are gradually diverging from one another.


I would have thought the opposite - with all the American media we consume, that we would all converge on a pan-American accent.


That was my thought.


I think the difference is that the academic guy studies this shit and you don't.


Great point. We should never have an opinion (and in this case admit we're wrong) on anything :thumbup:


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I can tell the difference between a strong Kiwi and a strong Aussie accent but when both speak with well spoken respective accents, I can't tell the difference.


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naki wrote:
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wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


We sometimes get mistaken for South African also. That one hurts.


really ? by English ?
I don't think antipodean accents sound anything like saffa accents, especially the guttural Efrikaaaaaaanz ones


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backrow wrote:
naki wrote:
backrow wrote:
wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


We sometimes get mistaken for South African also. That one hurts.


really ? by English ?
I don't think antipodean accents sound anything like saffa accents, especially the guttural Efrikaaaaaaanz ones


Yes, by English and (less often) Americans. There is some vowel sound crossover, unfortunately, mostly with the more Anglo-sounding Saffers

Still far more likely to be mistaken for Australian though


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The Kiwi accent sounds a little closer to a neutral received pronunciation English accent. Aussie sounds like an evolution of estuary English


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My worry is that the developing New Zealand accents make Kiwis sound thick. It is not the stuff of international business.


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backrow wrote:
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wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


We sometimes get mistaken for South African also. That one hurts.


really ? by English ?
I don't think antipodean accents sound anything like saffa accents, especially the guttural Efrikaaaaaaanz ones


Yeah, but you think you can distinguish Kiwis from Aussies by the Australian high rising tone at the end of a sentence, which they picked up from, erm— us.


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Interesting article. I can't work out why this is just coming up with bridges though. Jacinda is the same. There's an interview of the two side by side on YouTube somewhere with Paul Henry. It is what it is. There are worse accents out there.


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naki wrote:
backrow wrote:
naki wrote:
backrow wrote:
wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


We sometimes get mistaken for South African also. That one hurts.


really ? by English ?
I don't think antipodean accents sound anything like saffa accents, especially the guttural Efrikaaaaaaanz ones


Yes, by English and (less often) Americans. There is some vowel sound crossover, unfortunately, mostly with the more Anglo-sounding Saffers

Still far more likely to be mistaken for Australian though


hmmm wel lmaybe I'm more attuned to saffas and their god-awful accent, on account of being married to one. even so, even a decade ago I wouldn't have mixed them up, and there are enough saffas kiwis and aussies in London to cross paths with (I can totally get how if someone hears an unfamiliar accent, then the liken it to something else)


I also rarely can tell Americans from Canadians, unless its an obvious Nooo Yawk accent, a Deep South y'all drawl, or Abooot Canuck


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My worry is that the developing New Zealand accents make Kiwis sound thick. It is not the stuff of international business.


Ardern has it also, though not as pronounced as Bridges. I’m sure all intelligent business people can look beyond mere accents though. I mean, people trade here in Singapore with the locals somehow.


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Mrs R's Durban accent is sometimes taken for NZ.

Any YouTube videos of this chap with his exciting new accent? And why is a new accent developing anyway?


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Santa wrote:
My worry is that the developing New Zealand accents make Kiwis sound thick. It is not the stuff of international business.


Bramin caste Hindus certainly will give it short shrift.


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backrow wrote:
naki wrote:
backrow wrote:
naki wrote:
backrow wrote:
wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


We sometimes get mistaken for South African also. That one hurts.


really ? by English ?
I don't think antipodean accents sound anything like saffa accents, especially the guttural Efrikaaaaaaanz ones


Yes, by English and (less often) Americans. There is some vowel sound crossover, unfortunately, mostly with the more Anglo-sounding Saffers

Still far more likely to be mistaken for Australian though


hmmm wel lmaybe I'm more attuned to saffas and their god-awful accent, on account of being married to one. even so, even a decade ago I wouldn't have mixed them up, and there are enough saffas kiwis and aussies in London to cross paths with (I can totally get how if someone hears an unfamiliar accent, then the liken it to something else)


I also rarely can tell Americans from Canadians, unless its an obvious Nooo Yawk accent, a Deep South y'all drawl, or Abooot Canuck


That's much easier to spot. Canadians always say 'eh' and they pronounce their words similar to British English.


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backrow wrote:
naki wrote:
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naki wrote:
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wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


We sometimes get mistaken for South African also. That one hurts.


really ? by English ?
I don't think antipodean accents sound anything like saffa accents, especially the guttural Efrikaaaaaaanz ones


Yes, by English and (less often) Americans. There is some vowel sound crossover, unfortunately, mostly with the more Anglo-sounding Saffers

Still far more likely to be mistaken for Australian though


hmmm wel lmaybe I'm more attuned to saffas and their god-awful accent, on account of being married to one. even so, even a decade ago I wouldn't have mixed them up, and there are enough saffas kiwis and aussies in London to cross paths with (I can totally get how if someone hears an unfamiliar accent, then the liken it to something else)


I also rarely can tell Americans from Canadians, unless its an obvious Nooo Yawk accent, a Deep South y'all drawl, or Abooot Canuck


I think anyone even vaguely familiar with the accents would pick the differences quite easily, but it has been noticeable to me how comfortably chickenrunners to our shores tend to assimilate with the local twang


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Mrs R's Durban accent is sometimes taken for NZ.

Any YouTube videos of this chap with his exciting new accent? And why is a new accent developing anyway?


https://youtu.be/XswsCF9m2WU


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John Key also had a heinous kiwi accent.

His turrible accent really came through on the Letterman show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aM4MH-15YA


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naki wrote:
Rowdy wrote:
Mrs R's Durban accent is sometimes taken for NZ.

Any YouTube videos of this chap with his exciting new accent? And why is a new accent developing anyway?


https://youtu.be/XswsCF9m2WU

Crikey. Listening to that would grate very quickly. It's getting closer to Aus if anything, with "oi", but keeps the Bin Smuth kiwiness.


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John Key also had a heinous kiwi accent.

His turrible accent really came through on the Letterman show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aM4MH-15YA


Yet key rise to the top of investment banking with its blue blood Boston affectations.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Tehui wrote:
John Key also had a heinous kiwi accent.

His turrible accent really came through on the Letterman show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aM4MH-15YA


Yet key rise to the top of investment banking with its blue blood Boston affectations.


If you're not trolling Jacinda, you're giving Jon Kee a verbal wristy.


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I know some Kiwis might be proud of their accent but it really is quite awful. It's more like an extreme South African dialect than an Australasian derivative.

Maybe a targetted cull can save you?


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I know some Kiwis might be proud of their accent


What kind of tosser would be “proud” of their accent?


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I know some Kiwis might be proud of their accent but it really is quite awful. It's more like an extreme South African dialect than an Australasian derivative.

Maybe a targetted cull can save you?


Bro, Monique says your dumb.


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naki wrote:
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wont lie, I often find it hard to tell kiwi and aussie apart. unless the aussie has the stupid 'making everything sound like a question' higher pitch at the end of a sentence, or the kiwi has the 'ay so bro' added into every sentence ay so, then I'm prone to getting them mixed up.

easiest way to tell usually is if racist & arrogant and not very good at spelling, then its an aussie - if its slightly quieter and more religious then its kiwi.

however, there is an easy visual clue between them if speaking to a female, wb = aussie :nod:


We sometimes get mistaken for South African also. That one hurts.


really ? by English ?
I don't think antipodean accents sound anything like saffa accents, especially the guttural Efrikaaaaaaanz ones


Yeah, but you think you can distinguish Kiwis from Aussies by the Australian high rising tone at the end of a sentence, which they picked up from, erm— us.

Strayans fom where? The rising intonation isn’t all that common outside NSW, especially in anyone over forty.


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naki wrote:
Rowdy wrote:
Mrs R's Durban accent is sometimes taken for NZ.

Any YouTube videos of this chap with his exciting new accent? And why is a new accent developing anyway?


https://youtu.be/XswsCF9m2WU


It's like watching Lynn of Tawa and Morgan Freeman's love child.


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Tehui wrote:
John Key also had a heinous kiwi accent.

His turrible accent really came through on the Letterman show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aM4MH-15YA




The NZ Prime Minister going on prime-time network American TV and describing NZ as "Like England but without the attitude".

Can you imagine if Theresa May described England as "Like New Zealand but with 60 years of social evolution since the 1950s".

There would be threads on it, rest assured.


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I know some Kiwis might be proud of their accent


What kind of tosser would be “proud” of their accent?




A Kiwi tosser.


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