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Are you just going to just vote for your countryboy like a coward ? :)
- Bryan Habana 33%  33%  [ 34 ]
- Shane Williams 20%  20%  [ 21 ]
- Doug Howlett 6%  6%  [ 6 ]
- Rokocoko 25%  25%  [ 26 ]
- Sivivatu 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
- Julian Savea 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
- Vincent Clerc 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
- George North 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
- Chris Ashton yes Chris Ashton 4%  4%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:08 am 
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Supposing for the sake of the thread Lomu was indeed the best winger during that time (let's not get into that technical little discussion at the base), who do you think owns the spot ?

Be fair, there'll be plenty of time to discuss the better wingers your particular nation's produced and enjoyed during the 2000's, but who's THE best.

Top Test scorers list for your convenience: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... ry_scorers


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too many poll options, removed those initially picked:
- Tommy Bowe
- Nadolo
- Lote Tuqiri


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Voted for Roks, incredible try scoring ability, for most of his early career was going at a little over a try a game.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:14 am 
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I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


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Sefton wrote:
I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


It's a fair shout, the little bugger was a phenomenon.


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Sefton wrote:
I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


His YouTube showreel is like the last ten minutes of Marvel’s Ant Man. I had to vote ickle.


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guy smiley wrote:
Sefton wrote:
I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


It's a fair shout, the little bugger was a phenomenon.

Still wan't as good as Jason Robinson though.


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Sefton wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Sefton wrote:
I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


It's a fair shout, the little bugger was a phenomenon.

Still wan't as good as Jason Robinson though.


Jason who?


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Sefton wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Sefton wrote:
I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


It's a fair shout, the little bugger was a phenomenon.

Still wan't as good as Jason Robinson though.


You said it, given what was around him, he did more...ergo, he's better.


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Sefton wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Sefton wrote:
I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


It's a fair shout, the little bugger was a phenomenon.

Still wan't as good as Jason Robinson though.


You backflipped so fast there that you ran the risk of a dislocated arse cheek.


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Seems to be a big omission on the list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6qdM6O26CY


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Plato'sCave wrote:
Sefton wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Sefton wrote:
I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


It's a fair shout, the little bugger was a phenomenon.

Still wan't as good as Jason Robinson though.


Jason who?


:lol:


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mojo wrote:
Seems to be a big omission on the list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6qdM6O26CY


And with that the thread is ended.


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A5D5E5 wrote:
mojo wrote:
Seems to be a big omission on the list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6qdM6O26CY


And with that the thread is ended.


Yep, daylight after.


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Toro wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
mojo wrote:
Seems to be a big omission on the list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6qdM6O26CY


And with that the thread is ended.


Yep, daylight after.


No question. Lots of great players and I'll always take a chance to rave about Shane Williams, who is probably the player most responsible for Wales being my second team after England, but Caucau was a freak of nature in a very different way to but with broadly similar results to Lomu - the difference being what else was around the two players. Pure mutant of a player


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Toro wrote:
Yep, daylight after.
Correct.

Since the quest for the best winger has ended it's time for the best wingman.

Now, this might be a bit ghey and all ... but is this him?

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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Toro wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
mojo wrote:
Seems to be a big omission on the list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6qdM6O26CY


And with that the thread is ended.


Yep, daylight after.


No question. Lots of great players and I'll always take a chance to rave about Shane Williams, who is probably the player most responsible for Wales being my second team after England, but Caucau was a freak of nature in a very different way to but with broadly similar results to Lomu - the difference being what else was around the two players. Pure mutant of a player


It seemed like he was operating in a different dimension to everyone else around him - one second there are three players closing in on him. The next he is strolling under the posts untouched. Unreal player.


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Voted for Roks, incredible try scoring ability, for most of his early career was going at a little over a try a game.


No question that he was the best on that list.


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A5D5E5 wrote:
It seemed like he was operating in a different dimension to everyone else around him - one second there are three players closing in on him. The next he is strolling under the posts untouched. Unreal player.


The thing that always struck me watching him was that he never even seemed to be trying all that hard - you watch him at full pace and he looks like he's got about 3 gears left he's not even bothering to touch. And then he got fat, and became even faster. Your description is excellent - on a whole other plane of existence from everybody else on the pitch


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Olo wrote:
WoodlandsRFC wrote:
Voted for Roks, incredible try scoring ability, for most of his early career was going at a little over a try a game.


No question that he was the best on that list.

Yep, had Caucau been an option, he would stroll in under the posts.


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P in VG wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
Sefton wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Sefton wrote:
I feel dirty but considering the shit he was surrounded by I've voted for wee Shane Williams.


It's a fair shout, the little bugger was a phenomenon.

Still wan't as good as Jason Robinson though.


Jason who?


:lol:


The Welsh who witnessed this might have suffered such trauma as to cause amnesia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znmD6hmAiDg


(yes, yes ... wearing 15, but ... )


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Voted for Rokocoko, at his peak he was sensational.


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
It seemed like he was operating in a different dimension to everyone else around him - one second there are three players closing in on him. The next he is strolling under the posts untouched. Unreal player.


The thing that always struck me watching him was that he never even seemed to be trying all that hard - you watch him at full pace and he looks like he's got about 3 gears left he's not even bothering to touch. And then he got fat, and became even faster. Your description is excellent - on a whole other plane of existence from everybody else on the pitch


In one of the early tries in the link above (shitty quality so don't know who against) you can see a hint of this - he makes his usual break from inside his own half, outstrips about 3 players but then sees that he hasn't quite burnt off the opposite #14 so he just ups his pace a little more.


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Of course it's Caucau if he was on the list.

Reiko may actually be the next best if he a. holds his form and b. doesn't move into the midfield.


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The Welsh who witnessed this might have suffered such trauma as to cause amnesia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znmD6hmAiDg


(yes, yes ... wearing 15, but ... )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB1GBPKKktk

He didn't even need all 5m to beat em.

An amazing step.


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Of course it's Caucau if he was on the list.

Reiko may actually be the next best if he a. holds his form and b. doesn't move into the midfield.

Wonder what a list would look like if you specifically picked one year of a players career in said position, Ben Smith in 2013/14 wearing 14 looked unstoppable for example.


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tough question, I had to go with Roks but felt like i did the dirty on shane.

Watching Roks in his prime for the All blacks he was almost more impressive than Lomu, the pace and balance were just unreal.


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I voted Habana for ability to play in all conditions, against all types of opposition and longevity in the game.


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YOYO wrote:
I voted Habana for ability to play in all conditions, against all types of opposition and longevity in the game.

Longevity and defensive ability should certainly be considered.


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YOYO wrote:
I voted Habana for ability to play in all conditions, against all types of opposition and longevity in the game.

Longevity and defensive ability should certainly be considered.


Yes I agree, defensive solidity an important judging point too.


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It's fantastic watching those highlights of CauCau but also a bit sad. He's like a rugby version of the film The Natural with Robert Redford.


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james garner wrote:
tough question, I had to go with Roks but felt like i did the dirty on shane.

Watching Roks in his prime for the All blacks he was almost more impressive than Lomu, the pace and balance were just unreal.


I do have a problem with rating Kiwi wingers. Personally, I don't think it's easy (or even possible) to dissociate them from the fact that that they consistently play outside of the best team on the planet. More than any other position, wing is heavily dependant on how the rest of the team is doing...and being on the end of a team that is winning every single area of the game makes the wingers job an absolute doddle most of the time.


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Jeff the Bear wrote:
james garner wrote:
tough question, I had to go with Roks but felt like i did the dirty on shane.

Watching Roks in his prime for the All blacks he was almost more impressive than Lomu, the pace and balance were just unreal.


I do have a problem with rating Kiwi wingers. Personally, I don't think it's easy (or even possible) to dissociate them from the fact that that they consistently play outside of the best team on the planet. More than any other position, wing is heavily dependant on how the rest of the team is doing...and being on the end of a team that is winning every single area of the game makes the wingers job an absolute doddle most of the time.




Nah, they just make it look like a doddle. Possibly more than any other position, New Zealand consistently produce the best wingers.


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Jeff the Bear wrote:
james garner wrote:
tough question, I had to go with Roks but felt like i did the dirty on shane.

Watching Roks in his prime for the All blacks he was almost more impressive than Lomu, the pace and balance were just unreal.


I do have a problem with rating Kiwi wingers. Personally, I don't think it's easy (or even possible) to dissociate them from the fact that that they consistently play outside of the best team on the planet. More than any other position, wing is heavily dependant on how the rest of the team is doing...and being on the end of a team that is winning every single area of the game makes the wingers job an absolute doddle most of the time.

There's enough long range tries from the likes of Roks, Reiko and Howlett to rate them accurately. Also, as Woodland is discussing Ben Smith, his reputation was built on beating defenders in tight spaces rather than his finishing ability.


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Jeff the Bear wrote:
james garner wrote:
tough question, I had to go with Roks but felt like i did the dirty on shane.

Watching Roks in his prime for the All blacks he was almost more impressive than Lomu, the pace and balance were just unreal.


I do have a problem with rating Kiwi wingers. Personally, I don't think it's easy (or even possible) to dissociate them from the fact that that they consistently play outside of the best team on the planet. More than any other position, wing is heavily dependant on how the rest of the team is doing...and being on the end of a team that is winning every single area of the game makes the wingers job an absolute doddle most of the time.

This will certainly be true for the likes of Savea, a massive beneficiary. Roks possessed genuine natural ability, with a lot of his scores being individual pieces of brilliance. (not suggesting Savea isn't a great winger, just reinforcing the fact Roks would and has looked good for any and every team he has ever played for)


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I forgot that Robinson started at 12. Jesus


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Caucau
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Rokocoko


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Rokocoko/Williams


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Had Cacau been arsed at international level, then possibly, but he wasn’t and has no business being on this list.


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Had Cacau been arsed at international level, then possibly, but he wasn’t and has no business being on this list.


Yes.

Pick a players dozen best games and judge them on that and there are plenty that match or exceed Rupeni.


Also Cory Jane and Bun Smith should be in the poll.


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