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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:48 am 
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What was the call then and what would it be now?

I believe the call then was a knock on but now it may be 1 yellow a red and 12 weeks for the outstanding tackle by the scrummie


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:55 am 
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https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/9 ... 0996285440

https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/9 ... 6105234432

https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/6 ... 3851748352


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:31 am 
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2 reds.....


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:42 am 
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Deadtigers wrote:
https://twitter.com/TheRugbyPaper/status/968626070424518657?s=19

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What was the call then and what would it be now?

I believe the call then was a knock on but now it may be 1 yellow a red and 12 weeks for the outstanding tackle by the scrummie


1 red and penalty try, the slipped off high shot would have got a pass because of the next tackle.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:17 am 
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frillage wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
https://twitter.com/TheRugbyPaper/status/968626070424518657?s=19

Click on the link and see the gif.

What was the call then and what would it be now?

I believe the call then was a knock on but now it may be 1 yellow a red and 12 weeks for the outstanding tackle by the scrummie


1 red and penalty try, the slipped off high shot would have got a pass because of the next tackle.


Agree


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:21 pm 
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[quote="Jay Cee Gee"]Similarly



https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/6 ... 3851748352[/quote

Interesting that Brian Moore is apparently another high profile person (in addition to Ben Ryan) who doesn't like the "croc roll" (he wrote 'neck roll and the like' so am assuming here)

I'm just waiting for another de Villiers or Webb -like injury from them. x(


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:36 pm 
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Red for the SH, penalty try. Head high tackle gets a citing and 3 weeks ( but probably would have been dropped anyway for missing the tackle in the first place)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:41 pm 
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Deadtigers wrote:
https://twitter.com/TheRugbyPaper/status/968626070424518657?s=19

Click on the link and see the gif.

What was the call then and what would it be now?

I believe the call then was a knock on but now it may be 1 yellow a red and 12 weeks for the outstanding tackle by the scrummie



Knock on, then. Maybe a caution for a high tackle, "accidental"

These days two reds. If they were true to the laws.


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Nieghorn wrote:
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Similarly



https://twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/6 ... 3851748352[/quote

Interesting that Brian Moore is apparently another high profile person (in addition to Ben Ryan) who doesn't like the "croc roll" (he wrote 'neck roll and the like' so am assuming here)

I'm just waiting for another de Villiers or Webb -like injury from them. x(



The crocodile roll has led to the curtailment of many more careers than commonly accepted. It is an ugly, vicious thing with no place in rugby.


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Haha saw these on fb, madness. There would a thousand similar examples. Mark Andrews would’ve had cases for 5 reds in every game the way he cleaned out.

There would’ve been no one left to play in the French leagues.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:20 pm 
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It was a bad call by the ref: the ball clearly went backwards.

Still angry about it. He gifted possession to the French.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:26 pm 
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When did the sin bin come into effect? That Carbonneau tip on Rees was in 1998. Would even a yellow be a "you've been naughty, just don't do it again" slap on the wrist then?

Would Tuilagi's clip on Cueto in 2005 have been a 10 min rest only if it weren't for the punches?

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No, wasn't it only Moody who piled in and got sent off for his trouble?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:39 pm 
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Deadtigers wrote:
https://twitter.com/TheRugbyPaper/status/968626070424518657?s=19

Click on the link and see the gif.

What was the call then and what would it be now?

I believe the call then was a knock on but now it may be 1 yellow a red and 12 weeks for the outstanding tackle by the scrummie

Call now will depend on the colour of the shirt and the ref. A given team with a very dark shirt would get a warning.


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No, wasn't it only Moody who piled in and got sent off for his trouble?


Yep, was about as ineffective an intervention as I’ve seen - though, having met Tuilagi on a night out in Geordie land; (i) I don’t think there’s much in there to do any damage to; and (ii) you’d have to be a serious hard-case to punch him to the ground, it’d be like punching a stone wall!


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Watching that shows two incidents I hate.Players being blindsided by hard men giving sly smacks to players looking the other way. It also brings to mind Wade Dooley (hard man mentioned on another thread) Breaking Phil Davies`s jaw by hitting him from behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TsX0kMWx7Y

Despicable.


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GWO2 wrote:
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Watching that shows two incidents I hate.Players being blindsided by hard men giving sly smacks to players looking the other way. It also brings to mind Wade Dooley (hard man mentioned on another thread) Breaking Phil Davies`s jaw by hitting him from behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TsX0kMWx7Y

Despicable.


To be fair all 3 times players were hit from behind on that play, the attacker was defending a team-mate.

And from memory, the original attacker (the guy who ended up getting knocked out and then red carded) was reacting to Gary Whetton collecting him with an elbow in the back of the head when entering the ruck.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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Watching that shows two incidents I hate.Players being blindsided by hard men giving sly smacks to players looking the other way. It also brings to mind Wade Dooley (hard man mentioned on another thread) Breaking Phil Davies`s jaw by hitting him from behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TsX0kMWx7Y

Despicable.


To be fair all 3 times players were hit from behind on that play, the attacker was defending a team-mate.

And from memory, the original attacker (the guy who ended up getting knocked out and then red carded) was reacting to Gary Whetton collecting him with an elbow in the back of the head when entering the ruck.


Na it was a maul from a kick-off and the Richards was offside trying to pull Whetton out of the back of NZ's side of the maul, Whetton was just trying to get him off, the Richards let loose with 3 cheap shots and got exactly what he deserved, and a red :lol:


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Just about every attack on McCaw over the years would now end up as reds and long suspensions.

Cooper, Waugh, Higs, Tuqiri, Powell, Gouger, Hartley, Greyling, Vermeulen and god knows how many other attacks to his head. F-uck he was hard bastard.


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Just about every attack on McCaw over the years would now end up as reds and long suspensions.

Cooper, Waugh, Higs, Tuqiri, Powell, Gouger, Hartley, Greyling, Vermeulen and god knows how many other attacks to his head. F-uck he was hard bastard.


The only one I'd be sure would be red would be Tuqiri. The rest would probably get on field yellow and then a suspension, though Cooper & Higgenbum might not get suspended.

Actually, I can't even remember Vermuelen's one.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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Just about every attack on McCaw over the years would now end up as reds and long suspensions.

Cooper, Waugh, Higs, Tuqiri, Powell, Gouger, Hartley, Greyling, Vermeulen and god knows how many other attacks to his head. F-uck he was hard bastard.


The only one I'd be sure would be red would be Tuqiri. The rest would probably get on field yellow and then a suspension, though Cooper & Higgenbum might not get suspended.

Actually, I can't even remember Vermuelen's one.


They were all with force to the head, Higgers and Cooper didn't even have the excuse of an action taking place, as in during play.

Waugh, forearm to the face, red. Powell swinging arm to neck/head, red.

The gouge, red. Hartley, off his feet dropping an elbow to his head, red. Greyling forearm to the face, redisimo. Vermeulen same game, flying shoulder to the face/head, red.

Assuming they were all reviewed during the game, right now they would all be reds. Higgers knee was a bit of a tap so maybe he would get off lightly, but he also followed it with a headbutt on the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6gLotY1ww

Greyling, replays show the Vermeulen shoulder, it's just before Greyling flies in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RANsgqeU9_o


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Toro wrote:
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Just about every attack on McCaw over the years would now end up as reds and long suspensions.

Cooper, Waugh, Higs, Tuqiri, Powell, Gouger, Hartley, Greyling, Vermeulen and god knows how many other attacks to his head. F-uck he was hard bastard.


The only one I'd be sure would be red would be Tuqiri. The rest would probably get on field yellow and then a suspension, though Cooper & Higgenbum might not get suspended.

Actually, I can't even remember Vermuelen's one.


They were all with force to the head, Higgers and Cooper didn't even have the excuse of an action taking place, as in during play.

Waugh, forearm to the face, red. Powell swinging arm to neck/head, red.

The gouge, red. Hartley, off his feet dropping an elbow to his head, red. Greyling forearm to the face, redisimo. Vermeulen same game, flying shoulder to the face/head, red.

Assuming they were all reviewed during the game, right now they would all be reds. Higgers knee was a bit of a tap so maybe he would get off lightly, but he also followed it with a headbutt on the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6gLotY1ww

Greyling, replays show the Vermeulen shoulder, it's just before Greyling flies in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RANsgqeU9_o


Hit to the head doesn't always mean red - see Kaino in the Lions series for instance. It'll get red if it's an already illegal action (like SBW's shoulder charge) or if it's really ultraviolent.

I missed Gouger in your original post, that'd probably be red. Other than that - Greyling maybe as it's also off the ball.

So for me, Tuqirie, Gouger & MacGuyver - the rest only yellow as refs are still reticent to give red as there's no walking back from it.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Hit to the head doesn't always mean red - see Kaino in the Lions series for instance. It'll get red if it's an already illegal action (like SBW's shoulder charge) or if it's really ultraviolent.

I missed Gouger in your original post, that'd probably be red. Other than that - Greyling maybe as it's also off the ball.

So for me, Tuqirie, Gouger & MacGuyver - the rest only yellow as refs are still reticent to give red as there's no walking back from it.


If it's the first point of contact and with force you're gone, that's the current directive and not too many ways about it. Kaino was lucky but IIRC the carrier lowered himself and Kaino was aiming chest-ish. Greyling's was a forearm to the face while airborne :lol:, not many maybe's there. All straight reds these days apart from maybe Cooper and Higgers for somewhat disguising them. Like I said, if all these incidents were slowed down on review, first point of contact: head, with force....red.

Just look at Higgers from the weekend, only a mitigating factor can save you as in the Kaino example.


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