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Most Australians would dismiss any talk of "fair play" or of "the spirit of the game" or of "sportsmanship" as the talk of "losers" or, at best, hopelessly old-fashioned. A deliberate aggressiveness is thought to be the key to success and, when victory is won, an excessive triumphalism is expected as the appropriate Australian response.

And, if a David Warner or Nick Kyrgios is criticised for bad behaviour, most Australians would defend them and their actions as long as they win - indeed, as with sledging, the bad behaviour is seen as an essential part of a winning strategy.

None of this might matter if it were a purely sporting phenomenon. But attitudes such as these, seen in sport, are (predictably enough, given the important place occupied by sport in Australian society) sadly reflective of the attitudes that increasingly imbue Australian society as a whole.

Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.


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Kiwi born and breed though. Let's not let his foreign service drag the Brits into this.


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Kiwi born and breed though. Let's not let his foreign service drag the Brits into this.


He must have picked up these terrible views about our digger brothers from somewhere. No true Kiwi thinks like that about our cobbers in arms across the ditch.


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Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.


Look, call me intolerant and unwilling to consider the interests of others but I think this bloke is a bit of a cunt.


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On a slight tangent, the missus and I have been watching a lot of house renovation shows at the moment as we are about to start building a house ourselves...and one of the oddities we've come across (given that NZ doesn't really do any of it's own shows, and instead imports from Aus, UK and USA) is how mean the Ozzie's are.

Invariably, theses show start with a house that's a bit rundown, and then some experts come along and fixes it up. So far, so similar...but in a twist, when the Aussie experts turn up, instead of being polite, they just laugh in the face of the people they are there to help. They get properly stuck in, having a go at the shitty house that the people have, in many cases, lovingly raised their family in.

I find it a bit bizarre really. Even if what they are saying is technically true...you'd expect people to be a bit more tactful (as they invariably are in the UK and US versions).


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On a slight tangent, the missus and I have been watching a lot of house renovation shows at the moment as we are about to start building a house ourselves...and one of the oddities we've come across (given that NZ doesn't really do any of it's own shows, and instead imports from Aus, UK and USA) is how mean the Ozzie's are.

Invariably, theses show start with a house that's a bit rundown, and then some experts come along and fixes it up. So far, so similar...but in a twist, when the Aussie experts turn up, instead of being polite, they just laugh in the face of the people they are there to help. They get properly stuck in, having a go at the shitty house that the people have, in many cases, lovingly raised their family in.

I find it a bit bizarre really. Even if what they are saying is technically true...you'd expect people to be a bit more tactful (as they invariably are in the UK and US versions).


Ozzie's are plum bro.


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Good plum mind.


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Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.


Look, call me intolerant and unwilling to consider the interests of others but I think this bloke is a bit of a cunt.


Peter Dutton's a Queenslander, too.

Wake up Thomas. You are the frog. You're in the pot.


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Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.


Look, call me intolerant and unwilling to consider the interests of others but I think this bloke is a bit of a cunt.


Peter Dutton's a Queenslander, too.

Wake up Thomas. You are the frog. You're in the pot.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:41 pm 
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Kiwi born and breed though. Let's not let his foreign service drag the Brits into this.


Used to run the university here - he knows his Aussies. :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:51 pm 
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Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.


Look, call me intolerant and unwilling to consider the interests of others but I think this bloke is a bit of a cunt.

Looks like a stick up his arse.

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Let's hope he was at Auckland airport displaying his welcome home face to these friends:

    Notoriously violent Mongrel Mob street gang members booted back to New Zealand as they try to grow their crew

    By Ben Hill
    10 March 2018


    A notorious street gang looking to set up in Australia has had its members kicked out of the country.

    ... The Mongrel Mob has attempted to gain a foothold in Perth by moving members to the city from other Australian chapters or from New Zealand.

    The gang also has its own Facebook page, 'Mongrel Mob Australia', featuring photos of heavily-tattooed gang members riding motorcycles.

    Police have been working to identify members of the gang who are not Australian citizens and can therefore be targeted for deportation.

    One of the gang members to be deported was senior leader Joe Edmonds who was caught at Perth Airport in 2017 trying to bring gang uniforms into Western Australia.

    His visa was cancelled on 'character grounds' and he was put on a plane back to New Zealand.

    Australian Border Force WA regional commander Rod O'Donnell said they wanted to protect the community from 'violent' gangs ...

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z59TzJ6Xlk


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:57 pm 
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kiap wrote:
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Wow

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Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.


Look, call me intolerant and unwilling to consider the interests of others but I think this bloke is a bit of a cunt.

Looks like a stick up his arse.

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Let's hope he was at Auckland airport displaying his welcome home face to these friends:

    Notoriously violent Mongrel Mob street gang members booted back to New Zealand as they try to grow their crew

    By Ben Hill
    10 March 2018


    A notorious street gang looking to set up in Australia has had its members kicked out of the country.

    ... The Mongrel Mob has attempted to gain a foothold in Perth by moving members to the city from other Australian chapters or from New Zealand.

    The gang also has its own Facebook page, 'Mongrel Mob Australia', featuring photos of heavily-tattooed gang members riding motorcycles.

    Police have been working to identify members of the gang who are not Australian citizens and can therefore be targeted for deportation.

    One of the gang members to be deported was senior leader Joe Edmonds who was caught at Perth Airport in 2017 trying to bring gang uniforms into Western Australia.

    His visa was cancelled on 'character grounds' and he was put on a plane back to New Zealand.

    Australian Border Force WA regional commander Rod O'Donnell said they wanted to protect the community from 'violent' gangs ...

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z59TzJ6Xlk



Probably all lived in Aus from aged 2.


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:lol: :lol:

So you're back now?

You're not going to cry off next time I wield the jandal? ;)


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:lol: :lol:

So you're back now?

You're not going to cry off next time I wield the jandal? ;)


I'm not sure what you're on about but you fill those boots while you're at it. :thumbup:


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kiap wrote:
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Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.


Look, call me intolerant and unwilling to consider the interests of others but I think this bloke is a bit of a cunt.

Looks like a stick up his arse.

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Let's hope he was at Auckland airport displaying his welcome home face to these friends:

    Notoriously violent Mongrel Mob street gang members booted back to New Zealand as they try to grow their crew

    By Ben Hill
    10 March 2018


    A notorious street gang looking to set up in Australia has had its members kicked out of the country.

    ... The Mongrel Mob has attempted to gain a foothold in Perth by moving members to the city from other Australian chapters or from New Zealand.

    The gang also has its own Facebook page, 'Mongrel Mob Australia', featuring photos of heavily-tattooed gang members riding motorcycles.

    Police have been working to identify members of the gang who are not Australian citizens and can therefore be targeted for deportation.

    One of the gang members to be deported was senior leader Joe Edmonds who was caught at Perth Airport in 2017 trying to bring gang uniforms into Western Australia.

    His visa was cancelled on 'character grounds' and he was put on a plane back to New Zealand.

    Australian Border Force WA regional commander Rod O'Donnell said they wanted to protect the community from 'violent' gangs ...

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z59TzJ6Xlk


That is a wierd but typically Australian response.


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On a slight tangent, the missus and I have been watching a lot of house renovation shows at the moment as we are about to start building a house ourselves...and one of the oddities we've come across (given that NZ doesn't really do any of it's own shows, and instead imports from Aus, UK and USA) is how mean the Ozzie's are.

Invariably, theses show start with a house that's a bit rundown, and then some experts come along and fixes it up. So far, so similar...but in a twist, when the Aussie experts turn up, instead of being polite, they just laugh in the face of the people they are there to help. They get properly stuck in, having a go at the shitty house that the people have, in many cases, lovingly raised their family in.

I find it a bit bizarre really. Even if what they are saying is technically true...you'd expect people to be a bit more tactful (as they invariably are in the UK and US versions).



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:lol: :lol:

So you're back now?

You're not going to cry off next time I wield the jandal? ;)


I'm not sure what you're on about but you fill those boots while you're at it. :thumbup:


All good. :thumbup: :lol:


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On a slight tangent, the missus and I have been watching a lot of house renovation shows at the moment as we are about to start building a house ourselves...and one of the oddities we've come across (given that NZ doesn't really do any of it's own shows, and instead imports from Aus, UK and USA) is how mean the Ozzie's are.

Invariably, theses show start with a house that's a bit rundown, and then some experts come along and fixes it up. So far, so similar...but in a twist, when the Aussie experts turn up, instead of being polite, they just laugh in the face of the people they are there to help. They get properly stuck in, having a go at the shitty house that the people have, in many cases, lovingly raised their family in.

I find it a bit bizarre really. Even if what they are saying is technically true...you'd expect people to be a bit more tactful (as they invariably are in the UK and US versions).



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Selling Houses Australia is an Australian reality and lifestyle TV series, based on the British show of the same name. The series follows property owners who are having difficulty selling their home. The show is hosted by English property expert and author Andrew Winter,


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Looks a bit like Davey Warner.


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Farking wonderful how these needy Keewees love to flood into any thread which criticises their big bruvver.


How many of the buggers are over here sucking on the Ozzie teat?


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Farking wonderful how these needy Keewees love to flood into any thread which criticises their big bruvver.


How many of the buggers are over here sucking on the Ozzie teat?


One in every 7 of 'em.

Bro.


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Jeff the Bear wrote:
On a slight tangent, the missus and I have been watching a lot of house renovation shows at the moment as we are about to start building a house ourselves...and one of the oddities we've come across (given that NZ doesn't really do any of it's own shows, and instead imports from Aus, UK and USA) is how mean the Ozzie's are.

Invariably, theses show start with a house that's a bit rundown, and then some experts come along and fixes it up. So far, so similar...but in a twist, when the Aussie experts turn up, instead of being polite, they just laugh in the face of the people they are there to help. They get properly stuck in, having a go at the shitty house that the people have, in many cases, lovingly raised their family in.

I find it a bit bizarre really. Even if what they are saying is technically true...you'd expect people to be a bit more tactful (as they invariably are in the UK and US versions).



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That's one of the lads! :lol:

He's obviously assimilated, as you wouldn't get away with some of the stuff he says on the OZ show were he back in Blighty. The Aussie bint that works with him is equally caustic in her statements.


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That's one of the lads! :lol:

He's obviously assimilated, as you wouldn't get away with some of the stuff he says on the OZ show were he back in Blighty. The Aussie bint that works with him is equally caustic in her statements.



Except that it was his show in England (of the same name) that he imported here and the sarcasm was what made it popular in the first place


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Nah, just their cricket team.

Their other teams are ok. Cricket team has a history of cvnts though.


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shanky wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:

That's one of the lads! :lol:

He's obviously assimilated, as you wouldn't get away with some of the stuff he says on the OZ show were he back in Blighty. The Aussie bint that works with him is equally caustic in her statements.



Except that it was his show in England (of the same name) that he imported here and the sarcasm was what made it popular in the first place


I think JtB is the one being assimilated.

Has been catching whitebait recently and will be smoking a few dots next.


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Coog delivering the king hit I presume.


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kiap wrote:
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Jeff the Bear wrote:

That's one of the lads! :lol:

He's obviously assimilated, as you wouldn't get away with some of the stuff he says on the OZ show were he back in Blighty. The Aussie bint that works with him is equally caustic in her statements.



Except that it was his show in England (of the same name) that he imported here and the sarcasm was what made it popular in the first place


I think JtB is the one being assimilated.

Has been catching whitebait recently and will be smoking a few dots next.


In Northland you aren't a true local until you do a haka at passing cars (which have a missing door) and call everyone "cuz". "Bro" is so yesterdays news.


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There's only the odd standout knobhead sportsperson, IMO. How is Kyrgios perceived in Aus? He has one of the lamest temperaments of any sportsperson I've seen. Total wanker.

There is a hard edge to many Aussie sportspeople, but I don't have an issue with it on the whole. You do notice a contrast in behaviour with some who've crossed the ditch. Guys like Willie Mason and Russell Crowe just wouldn't have the same personality had they stayed in NZ. There'd potentially be other downsides, maybe Mason would habitually say 'chur' for example.


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shanky wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:

That's one of the lads! :lol:

He's obviously assimilated, as you wouldn't get away with some of the stuff he says on the OZ show were he back in Blighty. The Aussie bint that works with him is equally caustic in her statements.



Except that it was his show in England (of the same name) that he imported here and the sarcasm was what made it popular in the first place


Can't say I watched his show (or any show like that tbf) back when he was in the UK...but, as stated, his show in OZ is like night and day compared to the way the presenters address ordinary folk on the other current shows from the UK and USA.

Maybe it's less an OZ thing, and more a peculiarity to that fella's show.


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kiap wrote:
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Jeff the Bear wrote:

That's one of the lads! :lol:

He's obviously assimilated, as you wouldn't get away with some of the stuff he says on the OZ show were he back in Blighty. The Aussie bint that works with him is equally caustic in her statements.



Except that it was his show in England (of the same name) that he imported here and the sarcasm was what made it popular in the first place


I think JtB is the one being assimilated.

Has been catching whitebait recently and will be smoking a few dots next.


Well, we’ve established that it’s an English TV show, created by Englishmen and hosted by an Englishman - but nonetheless symptomatic of Australian-ness

I’ll agree that, yes, Jeff has assimilated the Kiwi ability to mount a cohesive argument


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There's only the odd standout knobhead sportsperson, IMO. How is Kyrgios perceived in Aus? He has one of the lamest temperaments of any sportsperson I've seen. Total wanker.

There is a hard edge to many Aussie sportspeople, but I don't have an issue with it on the whole. You do notice a contrast in behaviour with some who've crossed the ditch. Guys like Willie Mason and Russell Crowe just wouldn't have the same personality had they stayed in NZ. There'd potentially be other downsides, maybe Mason would habitually say 'chur' for example.


If Crowe had stayed in NZ then the phone market may have collapsed.


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There's only the odd standout knobhead sportsperson, IMO. How is Kyrgios perceived in Aus? He has one of the lamest temperaments of any sportsperson I've seen. Total wanker.

Kyrgios is wanker. However, he has improved his temperament (slightly) recently.

He's not the first dickhead in tennis, either.Some have even been redeemed.[/quote]


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There's only the odd standout knobhead sportsperson, IMO. How is Kyrgios perceived in Aus? He has one of the lamest temperaments of any sportsperson I've seen. Total wanker.

There is a hard edge to many Aussie sportspeople, but I don't have an issue with it on the whole. You do notice a contrast in behaviour with some who've crossed the ditch. Guys like Willie Mason and Russell Crowe just wouldn't have the same personality had they stayed in NZ. There'd potentially be other downsides, maybe Mason would habitually say 'chur' for example.



Kyrgios is a knob, alright.

Mason is downright affable these days. Crowe is not.


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Coog delivering the king hit I presume.



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That's one of the lads! :lol:

He's obviously assimilated, as you wouldn't get away with some of the stuff he says on the OZ show were he back in Blighty. The Aussie bint that works with him is equally caustic in her statements.



Except that it was his show in England (of the same name) that he imported here and the sarcasm was what made it popular in the first place


I think JtB is the one being assimilated.

Has been catching whitebait recently and will be smoking a few dots next.


Well, we’ve established that it’s an English TV show, created by Englishmen and hosted by an Englishman - but nonetheless symptomatic of Australian-ness

I’ll agree that, yes, Jeff has assimilated the Kiwi ability to mount a cohesive argument


Having just had a look, I don't think it was a particularly successful show in the UK .There are no links in a general search to him other than those from his time in OZ on the first page, and even if you restrict the search to anything prior to 2005, you only get a handful of searches returning.

Ergo, his style of acerbic sarcasm seems to have struck a particular chord with Ozzies (He has won the ASTRA subscriber's choice award for Favourite Male Personality in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014), whereas he was a bit of a nobody on the UK scene.

So, not only are Ozzies dicks...they're importing them too!


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Reductio ad Kiwidum

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The footage of him being bundled off to a detention centre in the middle of the night was pretty funny.
How he was only given 12 months probation after the initial court case was incredible.
He’ll be regretting acting the dickhead outside the courtroom now.


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Yup. I expect that little courthouse act was what caught the Minister’s eye in the first place

He’s a piece of shit though, so I don’t feel too sorry for him


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Selling Houses Australia is a great show. My wife loves it which means I also love it.

I understand where you're coming from when the ENGLISH host gets a little narky but you need to understand the context. He is essentially trying to help people who have had their house on the market for a long time...sometimes years.

I saw one episode where the house appeared to be growing in a dense jungle and the owner didn't think that the fact there was no floor in one of the bedrooms would be a hindrance on it's appeal to a buyer.

"Yeah, nah, we've been wanting to get that fixed for a while now. The house has been on the market for 4 years and we've only had one offer and that was for $10K and a booklet of 2 for 1 pizza vouchers..."


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