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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:15 am 
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'90 if you're going to be a pedant. But obviously there's a clip for you to watch.



I dont need no "clip".
I still have my UK govt issue gasmask.


You still havent explained why it was "bullshit"?


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The Russian reporter who covered the Wagner group contractor/mercenaries getting into a firefight with Americans in Syria has tragically slipped and fallen from a balcony.

What are the odds, surviving a nasty war zone only to come home and fall off your own 5th floor balcony? You'd think a Russian crime and corruption reporter would have a fair bit of situatioal awareness to not fall foul of such an unlikely accident. :|

http://uk.businessinsider.com/maxim-bor ... oup-2018-4


The Wagner group

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 63dae9a3f7


Blimey! That’s some dodgy conflict on the ground, and as for the balcony...well it doesn’t change my opinion that Putin doesn’t give a shit what anybody thinks.


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No one believes russia after their continuous lies, except tinfoilers upset that their usual lives of apartheid, soviet norms and rigid christian beliefs have been overturned. :D

Multiracial, capitalist, sausage crossing rugby mofos! 8)

As it appears the British public aren't convince about their Governments position either. Imagine that ey!


Apparently the government has failed to post the convincing combined EU/US miltary intelligence on facepalm or twatter yet, which is why the british public are sceptical.

The public don't need to see some bullshit Intel. They've seen Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and even Yemen where their government got involved and up to today those places haven't exactly improved one iota.

There should be a law for the government. Before you start interfering and bombing another country. Fix the last one you messed up first.


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Trump would be better served imposing more sanctions on Russia, Syria and Iran.

Drone strikes operations by the U.S. have killed more civilians than any alleged chemical attacks. Perhaps the one who should be sanctioned is the US.


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DragsterDriver wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
The Russian reporter who covered the Wagner group contractor/mercenaries getting into a firefight with Americans in Syria has tragically slipped and fallen from a balcony.

What are the odds, surviving a nasty war zone only to come home and fall off your own 5th floor balcony? You'd think a Russian crime and corruption reporter would have a fair bit of situatioal awareness to not fall foul of such an unlikely accident. :|

http://uk.businessinsider.com/maxim-bor ... oup-2018-4


The Wagner group

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 63dae9a3f7


Blimey! That’s some dodgy conflict on the ground, and as for the balcony...well it doesn’t change my opinion that Putin doesn’t give a shit what anybody thinks.



i'm just amazed he didn't accidentally gas himself to death while mixing cleaning fluids before mopping his floors.


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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No one believes russia after their continuous lies, except tinfoilers upset that their usual lives of apartheid, soviet norms and rigid christian beliefs have been overturned. :D

Multiracial, capitalist, sausage crossing rugby mofos! 8)

As it appears the British public aren't convince about their Governments position either. Imagine that ey!


Apparently the government has failed to post the convincing combined EU/US miltary intelligence on facepalm or twatter yet, which is why the british public are sceptical.

The public don't need to see some bullshit Intel. They've seen Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and even Yemen where their government got involved and up to today those places haven't exactly improved one iota.

There should be a law for the government. Before you start interfering and bombing another country. Fix the last one you messed up first.


They evidently prefer bullshit propaganda.


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Turbogoat wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
The Russian reporter who covered the Wagner group contractor/mercenaries getting into a firefight with Americans in Syria has tragically slipped and fallen from a balcony.

What are the odds, surviving a nasty war zone only to come home and fall off your own 5th floor balcony? You'd think a Russian crime and corruption reporter would have a fair bit of situatioal awareness to not fall foul of such an unlikely accident. :|

http://uk.businessinsider.com/maxim-bor ... oup-2018-4


The Wagner group

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 63dae9a3f7


Blimey! That’s some dodgy conflict on the ground, and as for the balcony...well it doesn’t change my opinion that Putin doesn’t give a shit what anybody thinks.



i'm just amazed he didn't accidentally gas himself to death while mixing cleaning fluids before mopping his floors.


Or better still zip himself into a hold-all.


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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Turbogoat wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
The Russian reporter who covered the Wagner group contractor/mercenaries getting into a firefight with Americans in Syria has tragically slipped and fallen from a balcony.

What are the odds, surviving a nasty war zone only to come home and fall off your own 5th floor balcony? You'd think a Russian crime and corruption reporter would have a fair bit of situatioal awareness to not fall foul of such an unlikely accident. :|

http://uk.businessinsider.com/maxim-bor ... oup-2018-4


The Wagner group

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 63dae9a3f7


Blimey! That’s some dodgy conflict on the ground, and as for the balcony...well it doesn’t change my opinion that Putin doesn’t give a shit what anybody thinks.



i'm just amazed he didn't accidentally gas himself to death while mixing cleaning fluids before mopping his floors.



Where were you when Dr Kelly went ?


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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Where were you when Dr Kelly went ?


I'm not answering that without a lawyer present.


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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Turbogoat wrote:
The Russian reporter who covered the Wagner group contractor/mercenaries getting into a firefight with Americans in Syria has tragically slipped and fallen from a balcony.

What are the odds, surviving a nasty war zone only to come home and fall off your own 5th floor balcony? You'd think a Russian crime and corruption reporter would have a fair bit of situatioal awareness to not fall foul of such an unlikely accident. :|

http://uk.businessinsider.com/maxim-bor ... oup-2018-4


The Wagner group

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 63dae9a3f7


Agreed, that's obviously murder. Someone has to stop those damn Brits killing Russian citizens even outside of the UK borders now. It's all a ploy to distract the world from Brexit if you ask me.


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T'as sucé un Fidjien ?



:lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
The Russian reporter who covered the Wagner group contractor/mercenaries getting into a firefight with Americans in Syria has tragically slipped and fallen from a balcony.

What are the odds, surviving a nasty war zone only to come home and fall off your own 5th floor balcony? You'd think a Russian crime and corruption reporter would have a fair bit of situatioal awareness to not fall foul of such an unlikely accident. :|

http://uk.businessinsider.com/maxim-bor ... oup-2018-4


The Wagner group

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 63dae9a3f7


Agreed, that's obviously murder. Someone has to stop those damn Brits killing Russian citizens even outside of the UK borders now. It's all a ploy to distract the world from Brexit if you ask me.


CSI: Fiji has a lot to answer for.


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T'as sucé un Fidjien ?



:lol: :lol: :lol:


I guess that makes it a JIFF-qualified conspiracy theory. :P


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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The Syrians and the Russians not allowing OPCW inspectors access to the site. Unsurprising really. They probably haven't finished their clean up.


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message #2527204 wrote:
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message #2527204 wrote:
Oceanbreeze wrote:
The Optimist wrote:

No one believes russia after their continuous lies, except tinfoilers upset that their usual lives of apartheid, soviet norms and rigid christian beliefs have been overturned. :D

Multiracial, capitalist, sausage crossing rugby mofos! 8)

As it appears the British public aren't convince about their Governments position either. Imagine that ey!


Apparently the government has failed to post the convincing combined EU/US miltary intelligence on facepalm or twatter yet, which is why the british public are sceptical.

The public don't need to see some bullshit Intel. They've seen Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and even Yemen where their government got involved and up to today those places haven't exactly improved one iota.

There should be a law for the government. Before you start interfering and bombing another country. Fix the last one you messed up first.


They evidently prefer bullshit propaganda.

They did in Iraq and look what happened there! Anyways they probably preferred their government to actually stop trying to be the World's Police and concentrate looking after domestic issues. After all that's why they were voted in for!


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The Syrians and the Russians not allowing OPCW inspectors access to the site. Unsurprising really. They probably haven't finished their clean up.


I'm sure its not that easy to completely sanitise piles of rubble. But they will keep lying about it.


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T'as sucé un Fidjien ?



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Haven't you had enough terrorist attacks in your country? You keep bombing countries like that and you're just helping them recruit more and cause even more damage at home.

Let them sort their own issues out. It's none of your business.


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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T'as sucé un Fidjien ?



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Haven't you had enough terrorist attacks in your country? You keep bombing countries like that and you're just helping them recruit more and cause even more damage at home.

Let them sort their own issues out. It's none of your business.


Just the business of Russia?


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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The Syrians and the Russians not allowing OPCW inspectors access to the site. Unsurprising really. They probably haven't finished their clean up.

It's abit late for them anyways given the bombing has already been carried out. They've already been found guilty by the Western non biased intelligent agencies.

Just a shame we can't read the reports because it's obviously too secret but hey we should take the US and UK governments word for it just like Iraq and Libya.


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Haven't you had enough terrorist attacks in your country? You keep bombing countries like that and you're just helping them recruit more and cause even more damage at home.

Let them sort their own issues out. It's none of your business.


Just the business of Russia?

They were invited in by the country's democratically elected government. The Western alliance weren't.


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T'as sucé un Fidjien ?



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Haven't you had enough terrorist attacks in your country? You keep bombing countries like that and you're just helping them recruit more and cause even more damage at home.

Let them sort their own issues out. It's none of your business.


Just the business of Russia?

They were invited in by the country's democratically elected government. The Western alliance weren't.


By 'The western alliance' I take it you mean 3 of the 5 permanent members of the UN body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security?

Assad has been warned on many occasions not to use chemical weapons and there have been 400 reports of his forces using them since then. It is a UN security matter if international treaties are flouted.


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By 'The western alliance' I take it you mean 3 of the 5 permanent members of the UN body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security?

Assad has been warned on many occasions not to use chemical weapons and there have been 400 reports of his forces using them since then. It is a UN security matter if international treaties are flouted.



So according to which UN resolution did the governments of the USA, UK and France attack Syria, a sovereign country, earlier this month ? Who give them the right to deploy troops and military personnel in Syria, uninvited ? Why do they assist and abet forces illegally waging an armed conflict with teh legal government of Syria ? On whose authority ?

In Syria the mentioned Western countries are simply terrorist states, aiding and fomenting terror. Nothing more. Quite despicable, actually, but they have form ...


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By 'The western alliance' I take it you mean 3 of the 5 permanent members of the UN body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security?

Assad has been warned on many occasions not to use chemical weapons and there have been 400 reports of his forces using them since then. It is a UN security matter if international treaties are flouted.



So according to which UN resolution did the governments of the USA, UK and France attack Syria, a sovereign country, earlier this month ? Who give them the right to deploy troops and military personnel in Syria, uninvited ? Why do they assist and abet forces illegally waging an armed conflict with teh legal government of Syria ? On whose authority ?

In Syria the mentioned Western countries are simply terrorist states, aiding and fomenting terror. Nothing more. Quite despicable, actually, but they have form ...


Probably the same resolution that allowed Russia in Georgia and Ukraine, the one that says: "because they can".


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message #2527204 wrote:

By 'The western alliance' I take it you mean 3 of the 5 permanent members of the UN body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security?

Assad has been warned on many occasions not to use chemical weapons and there have been 400 reports of his forces using them since then. It is a UN security matter if international treaties are flouted.



So according to which UN resolution did the governments of the USA, UK and France attack Syria, a sovereign country, earlier this month ? Who give them the right to deploy troops and military personnel in Syria, uninvited ? Why do they assist and abet forces illegally waging an armed conflict with teh legal government of Syria ? On whose authority ?

In Syria the mentioned Western countries are simply terrorist states, aiding and fomenting terror. Nothing more. Quite despicable, actually, but they have form ...


Parties to the Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols are explicitly obligated not only to respect their treaty obligations, but also to ensure respect for them.

According to which resolution can Russia ignore the laws regarding chemical weapons?

The use of chemical weapons is a war crime
The use of chemical weapons is a violation of international criminal law
The use of chemical weapons in a widespread and systematic attack against a civilian population is a crime against humanity.


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Probably the same resolution that allowed Russia in Georgia and Ukraine, the one that says: "because they can".


Did anybody plead UN sovereignty over Ukraine ? Ethnic Russians asking for help from Russia (in what WAS Russia, a short while ago, this invoking historical premises, such as do NOT exist in the Middle East !) does not resort under the UN ...
Enough of your whataboutery in any case.


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'90 if you're going to be a pedant. But obviously there's a clip for you to watch.



I dont need no "clip".
I still have my UK govt issue gasmask.


You still havent explained why it was "bullshit"?


Yeah my FIL was on a Navy ship in the Gulf. Thanks for your service.

The "incubator" propaganda that swung US public opinion was bullshit. Watch the clip.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Probably the same resolution that allowed Russia in Georgia and Ukraine, the one that says: "because they can".


Did anybody plead UN sovereignty over Ukraine ? Ethnic Russians asking for help from Russia (in what WAS Russia, a short while ago, this invoking historical premises, such as do NOT exist in the Middle East !) does not resort under the UN ...
Enough of your whataboutery in any case.


It's not whataboutery mate, it's the reality of international diplomacy. It's a big negociating game with loose rules where like it or not, might makes right.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
Probably the same resolution that allowed Russia in Georgia and Ukraine, the one that says: "because they can".


Did anybody plead UN sovereignty over Ukraine ? Ethnic Russians asking for help from Russia (in what WAS Russia, a short while ago, this invoking historical premises, such as do NOT exist in the Middle East !) does not resort under the UN ...
Enough of your whataboutery in any case.



You stupid c unt.

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By 'The western alliance' I take it you mean 3 of the 5 permanent members of the UN body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security?

Assad has been warned on many occasions not to use chemical weapons and there have been 400 reports of his forces using them since then. It is a UN security matter if international treaties are flouted.



So according to which UN resolution did the governments of the USA, UK and France attack Syria, a sovereign country, earlier this month ? Who give them the right to deploy troops and military personnel in Syria, uninvited ? Why do they assist and abet forces illegally waging an armed conflict with teh legal government of Syria ? On whose authority ?

In Syria the mentioned Western countries are simply terrorist states, aiding and fomenting terror. Nothing more. Quite despicable, actually, but they have form ...


Parties to the Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols are explicitly obligated not only to respect their treaty obligations, but also to ensure respect for them.

According to which resolution can Russia ignore the laws regarding chemical weapons?

The use of chemical weapons is a war crime
The use of chemical weapons is a violation of international criminal law
The use of chemical weapons in a widespread and systematic attack against a civilian population is a crime against humanity.



Did Russia deploy chemical weapons ? Where and when ? Dates and places....


So, Russia is guilty, because you say so, and they'd better provide evidence that they are not ?


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What we learn from this is that anyone can interpret what they want the way they want to - and act accordingly. Especially the UK, Israel, France and their minions. Like Saudi Arabia ...

Not a great divergence from the old Empire days, is it ?


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message #2527204 wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:

By 'The western alliance' I take it you mean 3 of the 5 permanent members of the UN body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security?

Assad has been warned on many occasions not to use chemical weapons and there have been 400 reports of his forces using them since then. It is a UN security matter if international treaties are flouted.



So according to which UN resolution did the governments of the USA, UK and France attack Syria, a sovereign country, earlier this month ? Who give them the right to deploy troops and military personnel in Syria, uninvited ? Why do they assist and abet forces illegally waging an armed conflict with teh legal government of Syria ? On whose authority ?

In Syria the mentioned Western countries are simply terrorist states, aiding and fomenting terror. Nothing more. Quite despicable, actually, but they have form ...


Parties to the Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols are explicitly obligated not only to respect their treaty obligations, but also to ensure respect for them.

According to which resolution can Russia ignore the laws regarding chemical weapons?

The use of chemical weapons is a war crime
The use of chemical weapons is a violation of international criminal law
The use of chemical weapons in a widespread and systematic attack against a civilian population is a crime against humanity.



Did Russia deploy chemical weapons ? Where and when ? Dates and places....


So, Russia is guilty, because you say so, and they'd better provide evidence that they are not ?


Parties to the Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols are explicitly obligated not only to respect their treaty obligations, but also to ensure respect for them.


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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
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By 'The western alliance' I take it you mean 3 of the 5 permanent members of the UN body that has primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security?

Assad has been warned on many occasions not to use chemical weapons and there have been 400 reports of his forces using them since then. It is a UN security matter if international treaties are flouted.



So according to which UN resolution did the governments of the USA, UK and France attack Syria, a sovereign country, earlier this month ? Who give them the right to deploy troops and military personnel in Syria, uninvited ? Why do they assist and abet forces illegally waging an armed conflict with teh legal government of Syria ? On whose authority ?

In Syria the mentioned Western countries are simply terrorist states, aiding and fomenting terror. Nothing more. Quite despicable, actually, but they have form ...


Parties to the Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols are explicitly obligated not only to respect their treaty obligations, but also to ensure respect for them.

According to which resolution can Russia ignore the laws regarding chemical weapons?

The use of chemical weapons is a war crime
The use of chemical weapons is a violation of international criminal law
The use of chemical weapons in a widespread and systematic attack against a civilian population is a crime against humanity.



Did Russia deploy chemical weapons ? Where and when ? Dates and places....


So, Russia is guilty, because you say so, and they'd better provide evidence that they are not ?


Look we know you have an attention span shorter than that of a goldfish but why don't you try googling Salisbury and Novichok to remind yourself there is every hope that some light may penetrate your incredibly dense skull.


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It's a powerplay between Iran and Saudi-Arabia.
Guess to whom the Saudi's sell oil.
Guess who sell the Saudi's military hardware.
The Western powers are shameless.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:12 pm 
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Bokkom wrote:
It's a powerplay between Iran and Saudi-Arabia.
Guess to whom the Saudi's sell oil.
Guess who sell the Saudi's military hardware.
The Western powers are shameless.

Thats not a Haiku


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:15 pm 
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Bokkom wrote:
It's a powerplay between Iran and Saudi-Arabia.
Guess to whom the Saudi's sell oil.
Guess who sell the Saudi's military hardware.
The Western powers are shameless.



And the Russians are our saviours ?


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 Post subject: Re: Vlad's at it again
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:21 pm 
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Big Nipper wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
It's a powerplay between Iran and Saudi-Arabia.
Guess to whom the Saudi's sell oil.
Guess who sell the Saudi's military hardware.
The Western powers are shameless.

Thats not a Haiku


haikus are 5-7-5 I think

Arabian Oil
and western aircraft and bombs
what could go so wrong ?


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