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A proxy.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:A proxy.

And utterly meaningless.

You never decided - are you a hapless dupe who has been conned by propaganda, or are you a deliberate purveyor of it? C'mon, man up and make a decision.

Turbogoat wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:A proxy.

And utterly meaningless.

You never decided - are you a hapless dupe who has been conned by propaganda, or are you a deliberate purveyor of it? C'mon, man up and make a decision.

Getting back to your Rudaw links...

Bowens wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:A proxy.

And utterly meaningless.

You never decided - are you a hapless dupe who has been conned by propaganda, or are you a deliberate purveyor of it? C'mon, man up and make a decision.

Getting back to your Rudaw links...

Yeah, lets do that, it was an odd thing to bring up. From a long time ago, why did that stick with you so hard? What do you want to say? Do you want to look at what I had to say about Rudaw or do you just want to leave some insinuation unsaid?

Nope not insinuating anything. But let's be real man you post stuff that clearly isn't unbiased because it fits your agenda. The idea that you're more pure than anyone to make accusations like "dupe or propagandist" is silly.

Bowens wrote:Nope not insinuating anything. But let's be real man you post stuff that clearly isn't unbiased because it fits your agenda. The idea that you're more pure than anyone to make accusations like "dupe or propagandist" is silly.

The constant equivalence of the Putin regime with those in the west with proper over sight is laughable, purity has nothing to do worth that idiocy.

So Turbogoat is trying to win an argument with an apartheid fan and some hick from shitsville USA? Why bother Turbo? They know best. It's the wests fault. Not poor innocent Russia.

Bowens wrote:Nope not insinuating anything. But let's be real man you post stuff that clearly isn't unbiased because it fits your agenda. The idea that you're more pure than anyone to make accusations like "dupe or propagandist" is silly.

Jeezus OK, you clearly have your panties in a wad about anything Kurdish. Rudaw is Kurdish, I'm pretty sure I said as much in any link I would have made, and that all their info comes from their perspective. They aren't a neutral news source, but they aren't a reason for you to start down this route.

You are reading waaaaay too much into this, and still haven't found time to say one word against Assad's attacks on civilians btw, I did ask, nicely, after I did so regarding Saudi etc... If I were to read half as much into your posts as you have to mine, I'd have to accuse you of being a paid Assad stooge (I don't think that's the case btw)

Turbogoat wrote:

Bokkom wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Bokkom wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miMQypDFhxU

Russia Insight, reporting on Russian benevolence and wonderfulness, with reporters embedded with Russian troops... I thought you hated that kind of 'journalism'?

And you are being paid in US dollars.

So.. less about highminded ideals about reporting, and more about sticking to your side and believing what they tell you?

There isn't a side. When it comes to chemical, conventional or nuclear attacks, everyone is a loser. So we have to do all we can to avoid it. That's what you and your types don't get.

Salix wrote:So Turbogoat is trying to win an argument with an apartheid fan and some hick from shitsville USA? Why bother Turbo? They know best. It's the wests fault. Not poor innocent Russia.

Must. Stop. Responding.
Dammit, it's past my bed time, I wish your voice of reason had been here an hour ago.

Oh look the cock has joined the balls.(oc)

Never taken a dime from a foreign entity in my life, and certainly not for any kind of lobbying. Given that you are based in the ME, have said you lecture there etc, it's probably fair for people to wonder if the same is true of you. But yeah, calling people "dupes" is stupid when most people still around this place (a decreasing number) post here in good faith and are just looking for debate.

I haven't defended Assad in any way except to say that minorities are protected under him, and given recent history, we know what would likely happen to them were he to be overthrown. I used to know an old engineer from Homs who came to the US and worked manual labor to support his wife and kids. When this shit all kicked off 6-7 years ago, he pretty much warned me of everything that was about to happen before it did.

Turbogoat wrote:

Salix wrote:So Turbogoat is trying to win an argument with an apartheid fan and some hick from shitsville USA? Why bother Turbo? They know best. It's the wests fault. Not poor innocent Russia.

Must. Stop. Responding.
Dammit, it's past my bed time, I wish your voice of reason had been here an hour ago.

Voice of reason huh! Made I laugh. You're advocating and supporting further destabilising a region that has already been destabilized by similar accusations in the past. And in the process killing even more people.

And worst of all not actually following through with the cleaning campaign, leaving the countries to become a training ground for terrorists groups who then brings the fight to your doorstep.

I'm afraid you're far off from the voice of reason as anyone can possibly can.

Salix wrote:So Turbogoat is trying to win an argument with an apartheid fan and some hick from shitsville USA? Why bother Turbo? They know best. It's the wests fault. Not poor innocent Russia.

Literally no idea who you are.

Bowens wrote:Never taken a dime from a foreign entity in my life, and certainly not for any kind of lobbying. Given that you are based in the ME, have said you lecture there etc, it's probably fair for people to wonder if the same is true of you. But yeah, calling people "dupes" is stupid when most people still around this place (a decreasing number) post here in good faith and are just looking for debate.

I haven't defended Assad in any way except to say that minorities are protected under him, and given recent history, we know what would likely happen to them were he to be overthrown. I used to know an old engineer from Homs who came to the US and worked manual labor to support his wife and kids. When this shit all kicked off 6-7 years ago, he pretty much warned me of everything that was about to happen before it did.

Still not a word against Assad slaughtering civilians though

If you're thinking that WT is 'arguing in good faith' you're sorely mistaken. I present his entire posting history as evidence.

Right, seriously, I have an early start tomorrow, I'm off now.

Rinkals wrote:

fonzeee wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:Are we talking globally or within Syria? I agree with you about regime change, however I don't agree that the choice for the Syrians is a binary one of Assad or Jihadists.

Ok, go on then...what’s the alternative?

Anything that isn't an oppressive dictatorship or hardline Islamic zealots?

Would you like to be more specific?

bimboman wrote:

Bowens wrote:Nope not insinuating anything. But let's be real man you post stuff that clearly isn't unbiased because it fits your agenda. The idea that you're more pure than anyone to make accusations like "dupe or propagandist" is silly.

The constant equivalence of the Putin regime with those in the west with proper over sight is laughable, purity has nothing to do worth that idiocy.

When last did you look under your bed? There may be a Marxist lurking, y'know.

Turbogoat wrote:

Bowens wrote:Never taken a dime from a foreign entity in my life, and certainly not for any kind of lobbying. Given that you are based in the ME, have said you lecture there etc, it's probably fair for people to wonder if the same is true of you. But yeah, calling people "dupes" is stupid when most people still around this place (a decreasing number) post here in good faith and are just looking for debate.

I haven't defended Assad in any way except to say that minorities are protected under him, and given recent history, we know what would likely happen to them were he to be overthrown. I used to know an old engineer from Homs who came to the US and worked manual labor to support his wife and kids. When this shit all kicked off 6-7 years ago, he pretty much warned me of everything that was about to happen before it did.

Still not a word against Assad slaughtering civilians though

If you're thinking that WT is 'arguing in good faith' you're sorely mistaken. I present his entire posting history as evidence.

Right, seriously, I have an early start tomorrow, I'm off now.

OMF. Anybody who goes against you "act in bad faith"
Spoken like an Empire man ... Typical colonialist.

You cannot hide your "loyalties", nor your colonialist inclinations, can you ?

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Bowens wrote:Never taken a dime from a foreign entity in my life, and certainly not for any kind of lobbying. Given that you are based in the ME, have said you lecture there etc, it's probably fair for people to wonder if the same is true of you. But yeah, calling people "dupes" is stupid when most people still around this place (a decreasing number) post here in good faith and are just looking for debate.

I haven't defended Assad in any way except to say that minorities are protected under him, and given recent history, we know what would likely happen to them were he to be overthrown. I used to know an old engineer from Homs who came to the US and worked manual labor to support his wife and kids. When this shit all kicked off 6-7 years ago, he pretty much warned me of everything that was about to happen before it did.

Still not a word against Assad slaughtering civilians though

If you're thinking that WT is 'arguing in good faith' you're sorely mistaken. I present his entire posting history as evidence.

Right, seriously, I have an early start tomorrow, I'm off now.

OMF. Anybody who goes against you "act in bad faith"
Spoken like an Empire man ... Typical colonialist.

You cannot hide your "loyalties", nor your colonialist inclinations, can you ?

I think he assumes we can't see his bias. He literally tells it like he read it in a book. He talks about chemical agent perhaps even alluding that he lectures it. He also does the same thing with ME tribal conflict and international protocols. That's a combination of expertise in biology, chemistry, economic and political science. Dude puts Einstein and Ghandi to shame.

Oceanbreeze wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:
OMF. Anybody who goes against you "act in bad faith"
Spoken like an Empire man ... Typical colonialist.

You cannot hide your "loyalties", nor your colonialist inclinations, can you ?

I think he assumes we can't see his bias. He literally tells it like he read it in a book. He talks about chemical agent perhaps even alluding that he lectures it. He also does the same thing with ME tribal conflict and international protocols. That's a combination of expertise in biology, chemistry, economic and political science. Dude puts Einstein and Ghandi to shame.

"Renaissance man" His own words here on PR ...

Da Vinci was an idiot, compared ..

Bokkom wrote:Just check the first 4 minutes.
The US military junta clearly calling the shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

So, the US deep state tries to overthrow Assad to further its geopolitical aims in the region, which also happens to serve Israel's aims, with typically disastrous consequences.

It's not easy to just leave though, essentially it means expansion of Iranian influence and the ME balance of power handed to Russia leaving Israel potentially imperilled.

Rugby2023 wrote:

Bokkom wrote:Just check the first 4 minutes.
The US military junta clearly calling the shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

So, the US deep state tries to overthrow Assad to further its geopolitical aims in the region, which also happens to serve Israel's aims, with typically disastrous consequences.

It's not easy to just leave though, essentially it means expansion of Iranian influence and the ME balance of power handed to Russia leaving Israel potentially imperilled.

Which is why it is bad politics to always bomb everyone around, building enmity to the point of zero tolerance and having no diplomatic recourse.

And it is American tax payers that pay for those bombs ... tax payer who get nothing out of the trillion or so dollars arms deals and industry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44002029

Starting to sound even fishier, that's enough to kill a small city and it didnt kill anyone?

hurricane g wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44002029

Starting to sound even fishier, that's enough to kill a small city and it didnt kill anyone?

I'm afraid the guilabke sheeples on here and out there are just too stupid to have any logical thinking!

hurricane g wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44002029

Starting to sound even fishier, that's enough to kill a small city and it didnt kill anyone?

So are the OPCW in on it as well?

Turbogoat wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Bokkom wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:
Russia Insight, reporting on Russian benevolence and wonderfulness, with reporters embedded with Russian troops... I thought you hated that kind of 'journalism'?

And you are being paid in US dollars.

USA ! USA ! USA !

And he's wrong I get paid in Aussie dollars.

That's a studied insult, bro. Find a better employer.

MungoMan wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Bokkom wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:
Russia Insight, reporting on Russian benevolence and wonderfulness, with reporters embedded with Russian troops... I thought you hated that kind of 'journalism'?

And you are being paid in US dollars.

USA ! USA ! USA !

And he's wrong I get paid in Aussie dollars.

That's a studied insult, bro. Find a better employer.

Nah, over here, I'm raking it in. It's almost embarrassing for those who chose less stable currencies.

If stability was your driver then wouldn’t the US$ be better, or are you looking a different cost basis than Dirhams?

More Novichok?

Bullettyme wrote:

hurricane g wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44002029

Starting to sound even fishier, that's enough to kill a small city and it didnt kill anyone?

So are the OPCW in on it as well?

Hurricane g, another multy?

Uncle Fester wrote:More Novichok?

Aye: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44719639

England should pull out of the WC in protest.

Bokkom wrote:England should pull out of the WC in protest.

Well they should give the Cup a good washing out before drinking champagne from it.

kiwinoz wrote:

Bokkom wrote:England should pull out of the WC in protest.

Well they should give the Cup a good washing out before drinking champagne from it.

Some of the finest trolling for a while...layered...

Scotland Yard have named the Novichok poisoners.

Should be a spicy next couple of days with the Russkies.

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Salisbury Novichok poisoning: Two Russian nationals named as suspects - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445

RuggaBugga wrote:Scotland Yard have named the Novichok poisoners.

Should be a spicy next couple of days with the Russkies.

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Salisbury Novichok poisoning: Two Russian nationals named as suspects - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445

Interesting development. The Russian response is also very... interesting.

Turbogoat wrote:

RuggaBugga wrote:Scotland Yard have named the Novichok poisoners.

Should be a spicy next couple of days with the Russkies.

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Salisbury Novichok poisoning: Two Russian nationals named as suspects - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445

Interesting development. The Russian response is also very... interesting.

What is interesting to me is that the Russians (I can't see how it would be anyone else) chose such an easily traced MO.

Did they do it because they wanted it to be known who did it? Let's face it, that conclusion would have been drawn no matter the means employed.

Rinkals wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

RuggaBugga wrote:Scotland Yard have named the Novichok poisoners.

Should be a spicy next couple of days with the Russkies.

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Salisbury Novichok poisoning: Two Russian nationals named as suspects - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445

Interesting development. The Russian response is also very... interesting.

What is interesting to me is that the Russians (I can't see how it would be anyone else) chose such an easily traced MO.

Did they do it because they wanted it to be known who did it? Let's face it, that conclusion would have been drawn no matter the means employed.

They knew it would send out a very, very clear message to all the others who have turned against Russia or not been so approving of the kleptocracy. They can reach out and get you, simply by getting you to touch a doorknob.

I've never had much time for all the Novichock doubters out there but I'm beginning to wonder.

M15 can't seriously expect us to believe that anyone using SW Trains Sunday service could get from London to Salisbury and then back to Heathrow again in a single day. #jetoilandsteel

Guess Sherlock can return to his grave, now.