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DragsterDriver wrote:I’m not here to argue terminology- take it up with the Americans.

You mean Mr orangebuffon ?

Laurent wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

Laurent wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:Sanctions?
Convince Trump to go along with the bipartisan agreement in Congress and the Senate to impose their sanctions?
Provide support for Ukraine against the continued Russian acts of war?
Invite Ukraine into NATO?
Confiscate Russian investments in the UK?
Relegate Chelski into the 3rd division?
Boycott the next World Cup? (harsh, I know)

Tbf- I wouldn’t fancy going to the World Cup there

We’re a piss-ant little island, we’ll make some noise about it all but there’s nobody in Europe fancies tackling Russia. Nice wake up for Germany to start meeting their NATO payments.

You mean commitments not payments.

Yes, the commitment to pay their share of the bill.

2% right ?
that's not a bill .

That 2% is what is expected to be met by 2024, Germany is on track to meet that by all accounts, except for Trump, whose keen grasp of international relations seems to have let him down here.

bimboman wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Bindi wrote:

Brumbieman wrote:Yeah, FSB poisons traitor, stop the presses!


Who gives a fudge, every single country around the world knocks people off, all the f**king time, with the Yanks and Israeli's leading the way.

They also poisoned the copper who was first responder. Sounds like he’s just as sick. Makes it a much more major incident.

They used a Nerve Agent within the UK. Nerve agents you may have heard of are Sarin and VX. It was toxic and indiscriminate enough that not only the target of this assassination attempt were affected.
The UK should be going banana-shit over this type of rogue behaviour, even if they were normally fine with people being murdered withing their borders for political purposes.

As they did nothing over Litvinekco it's unlikely they've now found a solution. Putins is one dangerous M Fucker.

This isn't a Russian dude. This is a British citizen and an officer of the law. The punishment for that in the US is the chair.

If Britain can't even protect their own citizens from foreign agents within their own borders, what kind of message does that send out to the world?

Laurent wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:I’m not here to argue terminology- take it up with the Americans.

You mean Mr orangebuffon ?

James Mattis?

That 2% is what is expected to be met by 2024, Germany is on track to meet that by all accounts, except for Trump, whose keen grasp of international relations seems to have let him down here.

Good luck with that prediction. And don't be disengenuous the 2% was agreed without any target date in 2006, the summit in 2014 then insisted on a 10 year target.

Uncle Fester wrote:

bimboman wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Bindi wrote:

Brumbieman wrote:Yeah, FSB poisons traitor, stop the presses!


Who gives a fudge, every single country around the world knocks people off, all the f**king time, with the Yanks and Israeli's leading the way.

They also poisoned the copper who was first responder. Sounds like he’s just as sick. Makes it a much more major incident.

They used a Nerve Agent within the UK. Nerve agents you may have heard of are Sarin and VX. It was toxic and indiscriminate enough that not only the target of this assassination attempt were affected.
The UK should be going banana-shit over this type of rogue behaviour, even if they were normally fine with people being murdered withing their borders for political purposes.

As they did nothing over Litvinekco it's unlikely they've now found a solution. Putins is one dangerous M Fucker.

This isn't a Russian dude. This is a British citizen and an officer of the law. The punishment for that in the US is the chair.

If Britain can't even protect their own citizens from foreign agents within their own borders, what kind of message does that send out to the world?

That the invasion of the Crimea was fine and dandy, letting that go effectively gave Putin this power.

guy smiley wrote:

Openside wrote:The Russians really are total scum, do they have any redeeming features??

Being guilty until proven innocent isn't too bad.

Well it didn’t take long did it?

bimboman wrote:

That 2% is what is expected to be met by 2024, Germany is on track to meet that by all accounts, except for Trump, whose keen grasp of international relations seems to have let him down here.

Good luck with that prediction. And don't be disengenuous the 2% was agreed without any target date in 2006, the summit in 2014 then insisted on a 10 year target.

Take it up with the Washington Post if you think that agreeing on a 10 year target date in 2014 means that saying they have a target of 2024 to get to 2% is somehow disingenuous.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 5460d9ecbc

21 people now treated due to Russia unleashing a chemical weapon (unidentified nerve agent) in the UK.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/euro ... index.html

Turbogoat wrote:21 people now treated due to Russia unleashing a chemical weapon (unidentified nerve agent) in the UK.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/euro ... index.html

The thing that gets me is, it's like they've watched a whole set of James Bond films (or Austin Powers), and then decided to go out and kill someone in the most ridiculous method possible.

You'd hope, (well. maybe not hope, but expect) that in this day and age a country of the size of Russia, with their history of clandestine work...would be significantly better at offing one of their enemies without getting caught.

They could have just had a car accident, Putin loves it.

Turbogoat wrote:

bimboman wrote:

That 2% is what is expected to be met by 2024, Germany is on track to meet that by all accounts, except for Trump, whose keen grasp of international relations seems to have let him down here.

Good luck with that prediction. And don't be disengenuous the 2% was agreed without any target date in 2006, the summit in 2014 then insisted on a 10 year target.

Take it up with the Washington Post if you think that agreeing on a 10 year target date in 2014 means that saying they have a target of 2024 to get to 2% is somehow disingenuous.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 5460d9ecbc

The 2% was agreed in 2006 and ignored. Take it up with Angela Merkel.

Turbogoat wrote:21 people now treated due to Russia unleashing a chemical weapon (unidentified nerve agent) in the UK.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/euro ... index.html

I'm trying to imagine the outrage had 21 people been poisoned and hospitalized by Islamists.

goeagles wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:21 people now treated due to Russia unleashing a chemical weapon (unidentified nerve agent) in the UK.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/euro ... index.html

I'm trying to imagine the outrage had 21 people been poisoned and hospitalized by Islamists.

but and very valid point. The Orange shitgibbon would be twatting like a twat

goeagles wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:21 people now treated due to Russia unleashing a chemical weapon (unidentified nerve agent) in the UK.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/euro ... index.html

I'm trying to imagine the outrage had 21 people been poisoned and hospitalized by Islamists.

Very true. There'd be hysteria. But Vlad has topless pics and gets some sections of the right positively tumescent.

goeagles wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:21 people now treated due to Russia unleashing a chemical weapon (unidentified nerve agent) in the UK.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/euro ... index.html

I'm trying to imagine the outrage had 21 people been poisoned and hospitalized by Islamists.

Should the British governemnt start lobbying nukes then ?

bimboman wrote:

goeagles wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:21 people now treated due to Russia unleashing a chemical weapon (unidentified nerve agent) in the UK.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/euro ... index.html

I'm trying to imagine the outrage had 21 people been poisoned and hospitalized by Islamists.

Should the British governemnt start lobbying nukes then ?

Is that the only response you can think of, or just the most extreme?

Lobbying nukes.

I knew the Septics try to make deals on EVERYTHING, but trying to come to an agreement with a nuclear bomb .. ?

Blimey, I'm doing a Globus here but I have just watched a BBC report of the location of the bench these two were found on and I realise that I must have walked past it hundreds of times. My mother comes from Salisbury so I spent plenty of time there at my Gran's as a child, and now my parents live about a mile down the road from Porton Down.

When I was a kid this area was right next to the pens for the animals for the livestock auctions that used to be held in town before they moved away from the city centre. My grandfather used to take us to watch, it was mad listening to the auctioneer apparently raving like a crazed derelict as he took bids.

Novichok nerve agent used. The sheer brazenness of it.

Uncle Fester wrote:Novichok nerve agent used. The sheer brazenness of it.

A genuine question though is what can we do about it ?

They've played a long term game to get to this point. The west needs to do likewise in response.

Start with their puny economy.

Uncle Fester wrote:They've played a long term game to get to this point. The west needs to do likewise in response.

Start with their puny economy.

They're already under sanctions, they don't seem to have worked.

Shame we have diminishing international political capital and a gaffe prone moron as a foreign secretary.

SamShark wrote:Shame we have diminishing international political capital and a gaffe prone moron as a foreign secretary.

We can't act unilaterally at the moment, the EU waters down any anti Russian efforts because "gas".

SamShark wrote:Shame we have diminishing international political capital and a gaffe prone moron as a foreign secretary.

Well I might take Bimbo off ignore to see how he sucks his own dick, & explains how the 'Dear Leader', in the US, will be right there with the UK, now they're under attack from his families chief financiers; & how the UK is also much stronger outside the EU, because that way their sanctions will have so much more force.

My money is on the US blowing a Seuz style raspberry in the direction of May, if she asks Trump to increase sanctions. He still hasn't signed the last set, which were passed by a massive bipartisan vote

fishfoodie wrote:

SamShark wrote:Shame we have diminishing international political capital and a gaffe prone moron as a foreign secretary.

Well I might take Bimbo off ignore to see how he sucks his own dick, & explains how the 'Dear Leader', in the US, will be right there with the UK, now they're under attack from his families chief financiers; & how the UK is also much stronger outside the EU, because that way their sanctions will have so much more force.

My money is on the US blowing a Seuz style raspberry in the direction of May, if she asks Trump to increase sanctions. He still hasn't signed the last set, which were passed by a massive bipartisan vote

I sorry you bothered, I've little truck with Trump. Though if you want to discuss international support to the UK.

I'd rather ask how the EU and Germans in particular watered down every response to the Litvinekco , I know we all do deals for Gas, but that's something leaving the EU might be worth it for.

bimboman wrote:

Uncle Fester wrote:They've played a long term game to get to this point. The west needs to do likewise in response.

Start with their puny economy.

They're already under sanctions, they don't seem to have worked.

Kind of hard to do coordinated response when you've isolated yourself, isn't it?

Uncle Fester wrote:

bimboman wrote:

Uncle Fester wrote:They've played a long term game to get to this point. The west needs to do likewise in response.

Start with their puny economy.

They're already under sanctions, they don't seem to have worked.

Kind of hard to do coordinated response when you've isolated yourself, isn't it?

What ? We cannot respond unilaterally because the EU. We are still in the EU, and when Litvinekco was done for we hadn't brexiteer.

You'll not grasp the actual facts though. Maybe we should starts low level bombing campaign ?

There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

SamShark wrote:There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

Sounds like hard work, requiring intelligence and a modicum of diplomatic skill.
Sighing and saying you can't do anything is much easier.

SamShark wrote:There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

Freeze the assets of all the oligarchs, Putin crony's, & shell companies, & I think the process might speed up a tad.

fishfoodie wrote:

SamShark wrote:There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

Freeze the assets of all the oligarchs, Putin crony's, & shell companies, & I think the process might speed up a tad.

Yes, that was mentioned too.

He was asked to comment on Boris Johnson's performance and gave a "diplomatic" answer but it was clear enough what he meant.

It was quite worrying that - even though the gas issue shapes the European response - he felt that Britain was the most troublesome adversary for Putin at the moment. Not sure if that's brave and principled of Brexit Britain or a bit daft.

bimboman wrote:We can't act unilaterally at the moment, the EU waters down any anti Russian efforts because "gas".

Sure it does. That must be why the EU took the lead in the diplomatic push for deep sanctions against Russia because of their actions in the Ukraine and were the first to impose sanctions. But yeah, because "gas".

SamShark wrote:There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

When did he stop being a Russian diplomat and become an "independant" ?

There was a former UK ambassador to Russia on the Radio, he described the Eu as "vanashing into dust" when they went to object about Litvinenko.

Who to believe the British or Russian diplomat ?

fishfoodie wrote:

SamShark wrote:There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

Freeze the assets of all the oligarchs, Putin crony's, & shell companies, & I think the process might speed up a tad.

Will the Irish support us in the EU doing that ?

bimboman wrote:

SamShark wrote:There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

When did he stop being a Russian diplomat and become an "independant" ?

There was a former UK ambassador to Russia on the Radio, he described the Eu as "vanashing into dust" when they went to object about Litvinenko.

Who to believe the British or Russian diplomat ?

Apologies for confusion, I described him lazily and didn't realise - the guest was former UK ambassador to Russia Tony Brenton

SamShark wrote:

fishfoodie wrote:

SamShark wrote:There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

Freeze the assets of all the oligarchs, Putin crony's, & shell companies, & I think the process might speed up a tad.

Yes, that was mentioned too.

He was asked to comment on Boris Johnson's performance and gave a "diplomatic" answer but it was clear enough what he meant.

It was quite worrying that - even though the gas issue shapes the European response - he felt that Britain was the most troublesome adversary for Putin at the moment. Not sure if that's brave and principled of Brexit Britain or a bit daft.

We are a big country with global influence and a seat on the UN Security Council. We also have some very successful spying. Why would it be brexit related?

SamShark wrote:

bimboman wrote:

SamShark wrote:There's an interesting interview with a former Russian ambassador on Pienaar's politics this week.

He saw the only way forward as slow and deliberate work with European allies.

Not sure if he's a remoaner or something so should be ignored. It's worth a listen though on podcast.

When did he stop being a Russian diplomat and become an "independant" ?

There was a former UK ambassador to Russia on the Radio, he described the Eu as "vanashing into dust" when they went to object about Litvinenko.

Who to believe the British or Russian diplomat ?

Apologies for confusion, I described him lazily and didn't realise - the guest was former UK ambassador to Russia Tony Brenton

That's more realistic an influence then.

derriz wrote:

bimboman wrote:We can't act unilaterally at the moment, the EU waters down any anti Russian efforts because "gas".

Sure it does. That must be why the EU took the lead in the diplomatic push for deep sanctions against Russia because of their actions in the Ukraine and were the first to impose sanctions. But yeah, because "gas".

i'd say you'd get quite a lot of Gas with the proceeds if the assets freeze; & you might even get a chunk of a gas pipeline up thru the ME.