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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... alt-right/

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A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down.

Hundreds of people turned up to attend the talk, which was was put on by the Libertarian Society at Kings College London.

Masked activists grabbed microphones in an attempt to end the speech, which was by speaker Carl Benjamin


I can't quite make up my mind whether the "anti-fascists" are someone to be worried about or to be laughed at. I take it everyone agrees there was only one real group of fascists on display at this talk?


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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/06/violence-breaks-self-proclaimed-antifascists-shut-alt-right/

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A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down.

Hundreds of people turned up to attend the talk, which was was put on by the Libertarian Society at Kings College London.

Masked activists grabbed microphones in an attempt to end the speech, which was by speaker Carl Benjamin


I can't quite make up my mind whether the "anti-fascists" are someone to be worried about or to be laughed at. I take it everyone agrees there was only one real group of fascists on display at this talk?

Antifa are a great bunch of lads, sticking it to 'em.


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There are a whole generation of voters who think V for Vendetta is a call to arms.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:20 pm 
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As someone who is left wing even I recognise Antifa as a bunch of turds.


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100MileDad wrote:
I take it everyone agrees there was only one real group of fascists on display at this talk?



Ah. Here we have it.


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As someone who is left wing even I recognise Antifa as a bunch of turds.



Yep - who are they to play the censor?


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guy smiley wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
I take it everyone agrees there was only one real group of fascists on display at this talk?



Ah. Here we have it.


Kings College London?


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No more debates at universities? Just rage?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:26 pm 
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Monk Zombie wrote:
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As someone who is left wing even I recognise Antifa as a bunch of turds.



Yep - who are they to play the censor?


Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression but this is under threat from these utter shitstains. If you don't like what they're saying then do the grown-up thing and debate them sensibly.


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No more debates at universities? Just rage?

Why bother?


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Since when did the left start rejecting freedom of speech? These twats are supposed to be anti-fascists and yet they are doing a straight up fascist action.


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Corbyn supporters.


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Antifa is to the left what Neo-Nazis are to the right. Fringe groups who should be shut down at all costs.

Looking at the event in the OP, how not one single Antifa member got a proper punch on the face is a miracle. Sargon looks like the type of guy who could land a proper punch or two.

Even worse are the Conservative vs Antifa rallies in the States. I honestly have no idea why those being harassed by Antifa aren't just taking matters into their own hands and beat the living sh!t out of these little sh!tstains.


Although, I'd back down too knowing that Antifa has been getting specialised training: https://youtu.be/C3KsuzfSMjg


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They’re not exactly winning the hearts and minds of the centre vote.

Dumb twats


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:49 pm 
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Nieghorn wrote:
No more debates at universities? Just rage?


This kind of thing happens a lot in polarized societies.

:?

Being Canadian this would be quite alien to you.


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Since when did the left start rejecting freedom of speech? These twats are supposed to be anti-fascists and yet they are doing a straight up fascist action.


The Left don't reject freedom of speech.

There are totalitarians on both sides of the Left/Right political divide who believe that the path to salvation is through shutting down dissent. They believe that they know best, and that others cannot be trusted to find the 'correct' path on their own - they need to be guided towards it, or - if that fails - forced.

AntiFa are a prime example of the regressive left; restrictive, dictatorial and oppressive in their quest to make the world a 'better' place.


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Corbyn supporters.

Really? Whatever makes you feel better.


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Although, I'd back down too knowing that Antifa has been getting specialised training: https://youtu.be/C3KsuzfSMjg

loved the comment:

"yeah so it's like an isis training camp but you get 72 virgins up front"


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clementinfrance wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
No more debates at universities? Just rage?


This kind of thing happens a lot in polarized societies.

:?

Being Canadian this would be quite alien to you.



You haven't been following the Jordan Peterson thread, I presume. There's quite a lot of shouting that takes place at our universities (by a loud minority?) that has people afraid to try and debate issues sensibly out of fear of offending someone and being branded one way or the other.


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Nieghorn wrote:
clementinfrance wrote:
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No more debates at universities? Just rage?


This kind of thing happens a lot in polarized societies.

:?

Being Canadian this would be quite alien to you.



You haven't been following the Jordan Peterson thread, I presume. There's quite a lot of shouting that takes place at our universities (by a loud minority?) that has people afraid to try and debate issues sensibly out of fear of offending someone and being branded one way or the other.


What you are describing sounds more like bullying than having two diametrically opposite groups...

I'll check out the Peterson thread. :thumbup:


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Is there a group that is diametrically opposite to ANTIFA?


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Corbyn supporters.

Really? Whatever makes you feel better.



You don't think momentum and the left are mobilising this stuff ?


I've a bridge for you to buy.


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I see The Guardian are not interested in this story


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I think with groups like the Antifa, especially the posh boy London Antifa, what you need to do is meet them, unmask them and kick the shite out of them until they cry for their mothers. I can't see any other way.


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4071 wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Since when did the left start rejecting freedom of speech? These twats are supposed to be anti-fascists and yet they are doing a straight up fascist action.


The Left don't reject freedom of speech.

There are totalitarians on both sides of the Left/Right political divide who believe that the path to salvation is through shutting down dissent. They believe that they know best, and that others cannot be trusted to find the 'correct' path on their own - they need to be guided towards it, or - if that fails - forced.

AntiFa are a prime example of the regressive left; restrictive, dictatorial and oppressive in their quest to make the world a 'better' place.


I'm aware of that, that they aren't the entire left. But how do they justify it being a supposed left wing liberal group? While there are arsehole son all sides, this is a recent development, once upon a time leftwing students used to protest for freedom of speech.


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I think with groups like the Antifa, especially the posh boy London Antifa, what you need to do is meet them, unmask them and kick the shite out of them until they cry for their mothers. I can't see any other way.


This is often my problem with mates who are now communists and have gone over to radical politics; they talk about revolution and standing up to fascists, but couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. In a fist fight between Neo-Nazi skinheads and the vegan, gender fluid hipsters that call themselves the far left these days, I know where my bets go.


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eldanielfire wrote:
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Since when did the left start rejecting freedom of speech? These twats are supposed to be anti-fascists and yet they are doing a straight up fascist action.


The Left don't reject freedom of speech.

There are totalitarians on both sides of the Left/Right political divide who believe that the path to salvation is through shutting down dissent. They believe that they know best, and that others cannot be trusted to find the 'correct' path on their own - they need to be guided towards it, or - if that fails - forced.

AntiFa are a prime example of the regressive left; restrictive, dictatorial and oppressive in their quest to make the world a 'better' place.


I'm aware of that, that they aren't the entire left. But how do they justify it being a supposed left wing liberal group? While there are arsehole son all sides, this is a recent development, once upon a time leftwing students used to protest for freedom of speech.


Yes but then people used that freedom to disagree with them and it hurt their feelings, so it has to be stopped.


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crash 669 wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
I think with groups like the Antifa, especially the posh boy London Antifa, what you need to do is meet them, unmask them and kick the shite out of them until they cry for their mothers. I can't see any other way.


This is often my problem with mates who are now communists and have gone over to radical politics; they talk about revolution and standing up to fascists, but couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. In a fist fight between Neo-Nazi skinheads and the vegan, gender fluid hipsters that call themselves the far left these days, I know where my bets go.


Don't you ever explain to them that a lot of their actions are actually quite fascist?


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crash 669 wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
I think with groups like the Antifa, especially the posh boy London Antifa, what you need to do is meet them, unmask them and kick the shite out of them until they cry for their mothers. I can't see any other way.


This is often my problem with mates who are now communists and have gone over to radical politics; they talk about revolution and standing up to fascists, but couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. In a fist fight between Neo-Nazi skinheads and the vegan, gender fluid hipsters that call themselves the far left these days, I know where my bets go.


It's DAC.


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Brazil wrote:
crash 669 wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
I think with groups like the Antifa, especially the posh boy London Antifa, what you need to do is meet them, unmask them and kick the shite out of them until they cry for their mothers. I can't see any other way.


This is often my problem with mates who are now communists and have gone over to radical politics; they talk about revolution and standing up to fascists, but couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. In a fist fight between Neo-Nazi skinheads and the vegan, gender fluid hipsters that call themselves the far left these days, I know where my bets go.


It's DAC.


Yeah, baby.


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Brazil wrote:
crash 669 wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
I think with groups like the Antifa, especially the posh boy London Antifa, what you need to do is meet them, unmask them and kick the shite out of them until they cry for their mothers. I can't see any other way.


This is often my problem with mates who are now communists and have gone over to radical politics; they talk about revolution and standing up to fascists, but couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. In a fist fight between Neo-Nazi skinheads and the vegan, gender fluid hipsters that call themselves the far left these days, I know where my bets go.


It's DAC.


Scratch that then, I'm with the vegans.


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crash 669 wrote:
Brazil wrote:
crash 669 wrote:
100MileDad wrote:
I think with groups like the Antifa, especially the posh boy London Antifa, what you need to do is meet them, unmask them and kick the shite out of them until they cry for their mothers. I can't see any other way.


This is often my problem with mates who are now communists and have gone over to radical politics; they talk about revolution and standing up to fascists, but couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. In a fist fight between Neo-Nazi skinheads and the vegan, gender fluid hipsters that call themselves the far left these days, I know where my bets go.


It's DAC.


Scratch that then, I'm with the vegans.


No shock there then.


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eldanielfire wrote:
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Since when did the left start rejecting freedom of speech? These twats are supposed to be anti-fascists and yet they are doing a straight up fascist action.


The Left don't reject freedom of speech.

There are totalitarians on both sides of the Left/Right political divide who believe that the path to salvation is through shutting down dissent. They believe that they know best, and that others cannot be trusted to find the 'correct' path on their own - they need to be guided towards it, or - if that fails - forced.

AntiFa are a prime example of the regressive left; restrictive, dictatorial and oppressive in their quest to make the world a 'better' place.


I'm aware of that, that they aren't the entire left. But how do they justify it being a supposed left wing liberal group? While there are arsehole son all sides, this is a recent development, once upon a time leftwing students used to protest for freedom of speech.

I dare say liberal is a bad word amongst them.


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eldanielfire wrote:
4071 wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Since when did the left start rejecting freedom of speech? These twats are supposed to be anti-fascists and yet they are doing a straight up fascist action.


The Left don't reject freedom of speech.

There are totalitarians on both sides of the Left/Right political divide who believe that the path to salvation is through shutting down dissent. They believe that they know best, and that others cannot be trusted to find the 'correct' path on their own - they need to be guided towards it, or - if that fails - forced.

AntiFa are a prime example of the regressive left; restrictive, dictatorial and oppressive in their quest to make the world a 'better' place.


I'm aware of that, that they aren't the entire left. But how do they justify it being a supposed left wing liberal group? While there are arsehole son all sides, this is a recent development, once upon a time leftwing students used to protest for freedom of speech.

I dare say liberal is a bad word amongst them.


I imagine the US branch call themselves liberal, despite having little in the way of actual liberal beliefs. It's just "us" against "them".


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Corbyn supporters.

Really? Whatever makes you feel better.



You don't think momentum and the left are mobilising this stuff ?


I've a bridge for you to buy.

:lol: Of course it's the far left. Much further left than Corbyn.


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I've selected this Youtube channel at random as it was the first one I found but the actual video starts at 1.32

I find it genuinely frightening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sU6FRrefaE


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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/06/violence-breaks-self-proclaimed-antifascists-shut-alt-right/

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A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down.

Hundreds of people turned up to attend the talk, which was was put on by the Libertarian Society at Kings College London.

Masked activists grabbed microphones in an attempt to end the speech, which was by speaker Carl Benjamin


I can't quite make up my mind whether the "anti-fascists" are someone to be worried about or to be laughed at. I take it everyone agrees there was only one real group of fascists on display at this talk?

Antifa are a great bunch of lads, sticking it to 'em.

If they're protesting against Nazis and the like then yeah, if they're being violent against anyone's opinions they don't like then not so much.


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100MileDad wrote:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/06/violence-breaks-self-proclaimed-antifascists-shut-alt-right/

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A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down.

Hundreds of people turned up to attend the talk, which was was put on by the Libertarian Society at Kings College London.

Masked activists grabbed microphones in an attempt to end the speech, which was by speaker Carl Benjamin


I can't quite make up my mind whether the "anti-fascists" are someone to be worried about or to be laughed at. I take it everyone agrees there was only one real group of fascists on display at this talk?

Carl Benjamin, aka, Sargon of Akkad.

Tbh, whilst I strongly dislike Antifa as a movement, there are lessons to be learned from history about the perils of ignoring fascists.


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If you are planning to fight Antifa, there's one very obvious task that needs to be performed first.....

https://youtu.be/R5iBFGh3C7M


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Then it's a good job we're not ignoring the Antifa, we are, however, tolerating them though.


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