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Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:34 am
by Bindi
Should be fun. Hopefully the Irish will be at full strength.
Ireland tour will test Wallabies' progress under Michael Cheika

Ireland's three-Test Australian tour this June will be a litmus test of the Wallabies' progress under Michael Cheika.

The Australia coach has forecast a humdinger of a series against the Six Nations favourites but wants his side to prove they can play well across the three Tests.

"It will be two very different teams that play the game very different ways," Cheika said.

"You saw that with us and England in 2016, I know the scores didn't go our way that time but I thought we played some pretty good footy in that series, bar the middle game, which wasn't too flash, and that shows. Two on, one off, is not on."

The series will be Ireland's first three-Test tour of Australia and the first time the Lansdowne Cup will be contested as a best-of-three series.

The Joe Schmidt-led side are ranked third in the world and are on top of the Six Nations table with two rounds to go. They also boast a three-from-four win record against the Wallabies since the 2011 World Cup quarter-final, which was the last time an Australian fan took the Irish threat lightly.

Rugby Australia are hoping to pack venues in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney when tickets go on sale on Thursday, with strong pre-sales bolstering hopes.

It is the same day Cheika will fly to Europe to watch Ireland up close in their final two Tests against Scotland and England.

"If they win the Six Nations they'll be second in the world by the time they get here, so it's going to be on," he said.

Australia suffered a humiliating three-nil defeat at the hands of Eddie Jones's England in 2016, but it was the 23-7 loss in Melbourne that stuck in Cheika's craw. He has spent the past two years building back up the squad depth the team lacked the year after the England World Cup.

"I look at our playing stocks now, compared to [the 2016 June series], and I think there's a lot of guys genuinely in the mix now for positions and who can perform," Cheika said.

"If you look at the Reds-Brumbies game last [week], the way Taniela Tupou, Izack Rodda, Adam Korczyk and guys like that played, you start to think they're guys you gave a start too who are doing the business now in Super Rugby."

There will also be players like Jack Dempsey to consider. The abrasive Waratahs flanker started at No.6 in the Wallabies' watershed Bledisloe Test win in Brisbane last year but saw his momentum shattered with a shocking hamstring injury in the Barbarians' game two weeks later.

Dempsey is still eight weeks or so off a return to Super Rugby but has June in his sights. In seven appearances at Test level, two of which saw the Wallabies draw, the 23-year-old has never been involved in a loss.

"I'm not oblivious to the fact I have to prove I am back to where I was before I got injured, I'm not just going to walk into a Wallabies squad and I probably won't walk back into a Waratahs 23," he said.

"But that's part of being a professional rugby player, you have to take the ups with the downs. You can go as high as beating the All Blacks in Brisbane to as low as where I was after that Baa Baas game."

He will face stiff competition from the likes of Michael Hooper and David Pocock, as well as the young guns to which Cheika referred to, including Reds flanker Korczyk.

Schmidt will bring a standout back row to Australia, including Peter O'Mahony, CJ Stander and Sean O'Brien, who is sitting out the Six Nations after hip surgery.

Australian prop Sekope Kepu, who is set to return for the Waratahs in their home game against the Blues next week, said watching the Irish beat Wales, France and Italy to date had whet his appetite for the challenge ahead.

"They've got a lot of guys in their prime and they've got a great forward pack and front row as well, with [hooker] Rory Best and those guys in the middle," Kepu said.

He and Cheika have also been around long enough to know the result in June will throw down a marker for next year's World Cup.

"It's massive," Kepu said. "You've got the series in June, you play the Rugby Championship and then you get another crack at some of those northern hemisphere teams in the spring tour. You go well in the June series and you take a lot of confidence out of that."

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:20 am
by earl the beaver
Like every summer tour we'll lose a few players in the run in of the domestic and European cups where Leinster in particular would be expected to feature heavily but Ireland have more depth than ever before so it will still be a decent touring party.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:41 am
by CrazyIslander
First time an Irish team touring Australia as favourites.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:46 am
by Sissyfuss
I'm not buying that their players can name more than 3 gallant Irish heroes in our first XV.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:01 pm
by Bindi
Seneca of the Night wrote:Great potential for spite this series.
It'll make a nice change from the cricket thread v. the Saffers. I've never seen a nation repeatedly punch itself in the nuts to that degree before.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:46 pm
by diarm
Is there any chance we'd leave Murray, Sexton, Best and Furlong at home for this? Those lads have played a hell of a lot of rugby when you consider the Lions tour.

A tour to Australia is huge and I'm not suggesting we take it lightly. But our depth will allow us to be competitive and it would be a great opportunity to expose guys like McGrath, Marmion, Carberry, Porter, Ryan and Scannell to world class rugby on a properly difficult and important tour.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:48 pm
by Zakar
diarm wrote:Is there any chance we'd leave Murray, Sexton, Best and Furlong at home for this? Those lads have played a hell of a lot of rugby when you consider the Lions tour.

A tour to Australia is huge and I'm not suggesting we take it lightly. But our depth will allow us to be competitive and it would be a great opportunity to expose guys like McGrath, Marmion, Carberry, Porter, Ryan and Scannell to world class rugby on a properly difficult and important tour.
Sickening arrogance

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:34 pm
by diarm
Zakar wrote:
diarm wrote:Is there any chance we'd leave Murray, Sexton, Best and Furlong at home for this? Those lads have played a hell of a lot of rugby when you consider the Lions tour.

A tour to Australia is huge and I'm not suggesting we take it lightly. But our depth will allow us to be competitive and it would be a great opportunity to expose guys like McGrath, Marmion, Carberry, Porter, Ryan and Scannell to world class rugby on a properly difficult and important tour.
Sickening arrogance
Forgot to add OMahony and Stander to that list.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:06 pm
by Bindi
Irish quite confident now.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:09 pm
by Flametop
Just a few lads having the craic in the sun visiting their friends and relatives who emmigrated.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:10 pm
by Conspicuous
diarm wrote:Is there any chance we'd leave Murray, Sexton, Best and Furlong at home for this? Those lads have played a hell of a lot of rugby when you consider the Lions tour.

A tour to Australia is huge and I'm not suggesting we take it lightly. But our depth will allow us to be competitive and it would be a great opportunity to expose guys like McGrath, Marmion, Carberry, Porter, Ryan and Scannell to world class rugby on a properly difficult and important tour.
No there’s not

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:11 pm
by Duff Paddy
Bindi wrote:Irish quite confident now.
If it goes tits up Furlong and the lads could do a bit of drive tarmac work over there to make it up

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:33 pm
by Thomas
Should be a great series. The cocky Irish versus the resurgent Wallabies.

Make sure you leave your women at home, lads.

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Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:40 pm
by Jay Cee Gee
Thomas wrote:The cocky Irish versus the resurgent Wallabies.
Other way round.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:50 pm
by Thomas
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Thomas wrote:The cocky Irish versus the resurgent Wallabies.
Other way round.
Chur

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:55 pm
by kiwigreg369
Grevious, who are you supporting?

KG

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:58 pm
by Jay Cee Gee
Thomas wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Thomas wrote:The cocky Irish versus the resurgent Wallabies.
Other way round.
Chur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acUPBt9UKdI#t=36s

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:01 am
by Mullet 2
Booking flights this week for the 2nd and 3rd test

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:26 am
by Bindi
Mullet 2 wrote:Booking flights this week for the 2nd and 3rd test

:thumbup:

We have a great abundance of pies.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:39 am
by Farva
Cant see us winning any of the three games tbh.
I think the Wallabies are on the rise, but the Irish are a step too far.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:06 am
by Thomas
If the Irish rest their front runners because of their perceived depth we'll roll them 3-0.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:18 am
by Bindi
Thomas wrote:If the Irish rest their front runners because of their perceived depth we'll roll them 3-0.
:shock:

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:18 am
by Floppykid
So an experimental 15 for Aus then?
Keep the series interesting.
1. McGrath
2. Cronin
3. Porter
4. Toner
5. Henderson
6. Ruddock
7. SOB
8. Conan
9. Murray
10. Carbery
11. Daly
12. Aki
13. Ringrose
14. Sweetnam
15. Conway

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:19 am
by grievous
Seneca of the Night wrote:Great potential for spite this series.
For us and irish or the Kiwees?

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:21 am
by grievous
Farva wrote:Cant see us winning any of the three games tbh.
I think the Wallabies are on the rise, but the Irish are a step too far.
Yep...especially with no warm up

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:48 am
by capt hurricane
The Wallabies are the last team to beat the All Blacks though, on their day, they are a handful.

The Irish are favourites though. I can see them cleaning up!

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:56 am
by Bindi
Wallabies are going to need a fair bit of luck with injuries. Lose blokes in key positions, and they’re screwed.

Also, Brad Thorn needs to be roped in to harden the forwards up.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:07 am
by kiwigreg369
Bindi wrote:Wallabies are going to need a fair bit of luck with injuries. Lose blokes in key positions, and they’re screwed.

Also, Brad Thorn needs to be roped in to harden the forwards up.
Whilst he maybe the messiah ... and next Bronco's coach when they flick Bennett - i would love to see a conversation between Thorn and Pocock.

KG

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:19 am
by LeinsterLion
Thomas wrote:If the Irish rest their front runners because of their perceived depth we'll roll them 3-0.
This. There will be injuries and rotation, of course, just because there's competition for place. Just as has been done in the 6Ns in the past (less so this year, but still some) and on Summer Tours and Autumn Tests. But a Test series in Australia, especially a 3 Test series, is a huge challenge and Ireland are not so good/Australia that bad that they can dismiss that and play a weakened side shorn of front line players. Besides, it's a chance of cementing their reputation and legacy, continuing their progression and pushing on ahead of a huge year ahead. Take Aus lightly and it'll be a whitewash, they are not a poor side and even taking it seriously it's a huge ask to win that series. I'd still have them favourites. But that's the test.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:44 am
by _fatprop
Always a fun series, good banter and actual fun in the pubs

That said, Ireland should be too strong

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:57 am
by DOB
Bindi wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Booking flights this week for the 2nd and 3rd test

:thumbup:

We have a great abundance of pies.
Not after the 3rd test you won't.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:59 am
by grievous
guy smiley wrote:
grievous wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:Great potential for spite this series.
For us and irish or the Kiwees?

Image
You have a watch up your ass?
It explains so much

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:15 am
by kiwigreg369
DOB wrote:
Bindi wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:Booking flights this week for the 2nd and 3rd test

:thumbup:

We have a great abundance of pies.
Not after the 3rd test you won't.
He'll stay anyway ... and will be working the signs on George street before we know it.

KG

Edit, article for reference ... - https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/lol ... 2dpxx.html

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:19 am
by kiwigreg369
Back on the rugby all the main tours look good - and AU vs. Ireland will be excellent.

Keen to see:
- Beale establish himself at 12 (or maybe 15, i prefer 12).
- Murray play - very good 9
- styles of play from both teams - Aus have really struggled to play consistently so that would be good to see

KG

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:15 am
by Shrekles
capt hurricane wrote:The Wallabies are the last team to beat the All Blacks though, on their day, they are a handful.

The Irish are favourites though. I can see them cleaning up!
This is going to be a tasty series for we grenade throwing neutrals!

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:25 am
by Farva
Im looking forward to seeing the two best half backs in world rugby going head to head.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:32 am
by diarm
Thomas wrote:If the Irish rest their front runners because of their perceived depth we'll roll them 3-0.
Depends on who we would rest. We could let Healy and Furlong sit it out and still be very competitive because there are very strong options in behind. Likewise if Devin Toner didn't travel, Ryan, Henderson, Beirne and Dillane would cover well and if Peter O'Mahony or Stander stayed at home I reckon Ruddock, Murphy, Leavy, O'Brien, Van der Flier and Conan would be well able to cope.

Murray and Sexton are a different story but there's no use saying we have depth everywhere except 9 and 10 if we're not going to let any other halfbacks have a go. Lads like McGrath, Marmion and Carberry have been on the field for some of our biggest victories in the last year or so and we need to keep exposing them to top level rugby in case something happens those two at a world cup.

Realistically, perhaps we could bring them all, start our first XV in the first test and then mix it up for the second and third. Certainly I'd like to see McGrath and Sexton start one test together and then Murray and Carberry another.

Hooker must be a real area of focus for this tour. Best will be turning 36 this summer and can't be expected to go on as he is forever. Scannell looks the most able replacement but he keeps getting broken and I'm not sure who else is coming through bar 31 year old Cronin. I haven't been convinced by either Herring or Tracy and while McBurney looks a real prospect at Ulster, he's very young and hasn't seen nearly enough gametime in an Ulster shirt to be thought about for Ireland. I'd probably bring Kevin O'Byrne who's done well at Munster when called upon - his darts are excellent but he'd need to step it up around the park to be taken seriously in green.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:55 am
by Duff Paddy
Agree with most of what Diarm said. I think Carbery needs to start one test, and Marmion needs to start a different one. Cronin should start all three. Larmour will get plenty of chances on that tour too. In the centre and second row the competition will be fierce, the depth is frankly unprecedented for us - Henderson, Ryan, Toner, Dillane, Beirne all serious locks and at centre Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose, Farrell all proven test options

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:01 am
by Bindi
Ireland are best off picking their experimental (worst) XV for the 1st Test. Australia are always diabolical at the beginning of the season.

Re: Wallabies v. Ireland - 3 Test June series

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:04 am
by rett
Farva wrote:Im looking forward to seeing the two best half backs in world rugby going head to head.

I know Christchurch Airport toilets are quite remote-but still part of the world nonetheless.