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A French club is willing to pay All Blacks star Beauden Barrett $3.4 million a year after next year's World Cup, according to Sydney's Daily Telegraph.

The Australian newspaper has reported that a major French Top 14 club is prepared to make Barrett the highest paid player in the world and he would earn $10m on a three-year-contract.

Although there are no reports of this in the French media, the Telegraph says there is talk of the massive contract being whispered about in Europe.

When contacted by the Telegraph, Barrett's agent Warren Alcock said: "We couldn't make any comment on that."



https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... m-a-season



Certainly as far as NZ’s concerned, the production line can only cope with so much attrition, so perhaps the only way it can somewhat defend itself is by imposing transfer fees...


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Certainly as far as NZ’s concerned, the production line can only cope with so much attrition, so perhaps the only way it can somewhat defend itself is by imposing transfer fees...




If a player is under contract then, unless there is an explicit mechanism to end the contract, then a negotiation that results in a fee may be appropriate.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:57 am 
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Pretty sure BB will be off contract by then anyway so this example is irrelevant


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:06 am 
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naki wrote:
Pretty sure BB will be off contract by then anyway so this example is irrelevant



indeed...


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He'll take it, signs of things to come.


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If WR ever sorts it's shit out and finally gets a world season synchronised then the impact of this sort of thing will be minimised and perhaps even minimal. I think Australia needs to galvanize the billionaire rugby fans who live there and get them involved in the Australian SR teams - Spiv them up, Australia - go full Spiv!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:30 am 
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Going full spiv worked for the Rebels. Sold twice back to their state union for a dollar.


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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Going full spiv worked for the Rebels. Sold twice back to their state union for a dollar.



Wrong Spivs - not wealthy enough.


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Only when players are contracted for 4+ years rather than the 2 - 3 that they are now.


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The ARU paid a transfer fee to Leinster to get his release from the remaining two season on his contract.


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Barrett resigned in 2016 through to the end of the 2019 season and McKenzie has just resigned for 3 seasons - it seems to be the norm in NZ for players to only sign for 2-3 years in order to keep their options open.

With that sort of contract length there's no real incentive for a club to negotiate a transfer fee as they can just wait a year or so and negotiate directly with the player. If NZ Rugby were to look into allowing contracted players to leave for a transfer fee it'd require having to sign players for longer contracts - at least 5 years, I reckon. This would be a bit of a seachange for the players, but they probably wouldn't object if they knew they could push for a transfer before the end of the contract.

How long do football players contracts tend to be?


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He'll take it, signs of things to come.


He's be a maniac not to. Done his bit for the homeland. Cash in son.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Barrett resigned in 2016 through to the end of the 2019 season and McKenzie has just resigned for 3 seasons - it seems to be the norm in NZ for players to only sign for 2-3 years in order to keep their options open.

With that sort of contract length there's no real incentive for a club to negotiate a transfer fee as they can just wait a year or so and negotiate directly with the player. If NZ Rugby were to look into allowing contracted players to leave for a transfer fee it'd require having to sign players for longer contracts - at least 5 years, I reckon. This would be a bit of a seachange for the players, but they probably wouldn't object if they knew they could push for a transfer before the end of the contract.

How long do football players contracts tend to be?


The better ones i.e. players are for 3-4 years.


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LandOTurk wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
Barrett resigned in 2016 through to the end of the 2019 season and McKenzie has just resigned for 3 seasons - it seems to be the norm in NZ for players to only sign for 2-3 years in order to keep their options open.

With that sort of contract length there's no real incentive for a club to negotiate a transfer fee as they can just wait a year or so and negotiate directly with the player. If NZ Rugby were to look into allowing contracted players to leave for a transfer fee it'd require having to sign players for longer contracts - at least 5 years, I reckon. This would be a bit of a seachange for the players, but they probably wouldn't object if they knew they could push for a transfer before the end of the contract.

How long do football players contracts tend to be?


The better ones i.e. players are for 3-4 years.


How often does it happen that a star player moves as a genuine free agent?


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I think football contracts tend to be ~4 years or so, and renegotiated fairly often if the player is playing well, so a good player will usually have several years of contract left at any given time.


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I think football contracts tend to be ~4 years or so, and renegotiated fairly often if the player is playing well, so a good player will usually have several years of contract left at any given time.


I guess with a transfer market (and not having US style trades where a player can be moved against their will) there's very little downside in a player extending their contract before it expires.


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Stevus55 wrote:
I think football contracts tend to be ~4 years or so, and renegotiated fairly often if the player is playing well, so a good player will usually have several years of contract left at any given time.


If they don't re-sign, mid term, they are sold very quickly.


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ovalball wrote:
Stevus55 wrote:
I think football contracts tend to be ~4 years or so, and renegotiated fairly often if the player is playing well, so a good player will usually have several years of contract left at any given time.


If they don't re-sign, mid term, they are sold very quickly.


They can't be transferred against their will though right? Are they just told they need to accept a transfer or sit on the bench?


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
ovalball wrote:
Stevus55 wrote:
I think football contracts tend to be ~4 years or so, and renegotiated fairly often if the player is playing well, so a good player will usually have several years of contract left at any given time.


If they don't re-sign, mid term, they are sold very quickly.


They can't be transferred against their will though right? Are they just told they need to accept a transfer or sit on the bench?


Pretty much - even worse, they have to play for the Reserves. The player needs to be in the market eye - otherwise his own earning potential is reduced.

Normally, if they don't want to re-sign, they are looking to move anyway.


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Australian Super Rugby full time squads are small in size so if you are stuck with a number of players on 4 to 5 year contracts you lose flexibility. Particularly when they lose form and/or pick up injuries.


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LandOTurk wrote:
WoodlandsRFC wrote:
He'll take it, signs of things to come.


He's be a maniac not to. Done his bit for the homeland. Cash in son.


Indeed. It's weird, he'll be 28 next RWC, he's a bit of a latecomer to being a key New Zealand star (due to Carter) so it makes sense that a speedy 10 not known for game management as opposed to athletic ability would cash in coming off his peak before those attributes that make him so good decline.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
ovalball wrote:
Stevus55 wrote:
I think football contracts tend to be ~4 years or so, and renegotiated fairly often if the player is playing well, so a good player will usually have several years of contract left at any given time.


If they don't re-sign, mid term, they are sold very quickly.


They can't be transferred against their will though right? Are they just told they need to accept a transfer or sit on the bench?



They likely have incentives, performance targets, bonuses that sort of thing which will seriously uplift their basic salary. If they're not playing they won't get that money.


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Only when players are contracted for 4+ years rather than the 2 - 3 that they are now.



That is a double edged sword as the Franchises/Unions are potentially left paying for players they no longer want or need, the contract tie in works both ways!!


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eldanielfire wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:
WoodlandsRFC wrote:
He'll take it, signs of things to come.


He's be a maniac not to. Done his bit for the homeland. Cash in son.


Indeed. It's weird, he'll be 28 next RWC, he's a bit of a latecomer to being a key New Zealand star (due to Carter) so it makes sense that a speedy 10 not known for game management as opposed to athletic ability would cash in coming off his peak before those attributes that make him so good decline.


Playing abroad will help the family farm. His old man only played a year or two as a pro.


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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:
WoodlandsRFC wrote:
He'll take it, signs of things to come.


He's be a maniac not to. Done his bit for the homeland. Cash in son.


Indeed. It's weird, he'll be 28 next RWC, he's a bit of a latecomer to being a key New Zealand star (due to Carter) so it makes sense that a speedy 10 not known for game management as opposed to athletic ability would cash in coming off his peak before those attributes that make him so good decline.


Playing abroad will help the family farm. His old man only played a year or two as a pro.


He'd be a mug not to take that sort of cash. Life changing money.

I wonder will we see a few key NZ players go to Quins post RWC


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