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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 am 
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i thot higgers was actually good the last 3 weeks and they are weak at flanks now due to the non-availability of mcmahon and fardy and possibly y hannigan.....timu is too new/RAW, Valetini is injured but also RAW, higgers should get a start against Ireland.cause they need a strong 8 for the scrums


This was his first match back....


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i thot higgers was actually good the last 3 weeks and they are weak at flanks now due to the non-availability of mcmahon and fardy and possibly y hannigan.....timu is too new/RAW, Valetini is injured but also RAW, higgers should get a start against Ireland.cause they need a strong 8 for the scrums


This was his first match back....


When he says good, he might mean he hasnt been arrested or suspended at all.


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Higgers will bust us out of our form slump?


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comets wrote:
i thot higgers was actually good the last 3 weeks and they are weak at flanks now due to the non-availability of mcmahon and fardy and possibly y hannigan.....timu is too new/RAW, Valetini is injured but also RAW, higgers should get a start against Ireland.cause they need a strong 8 for the scrums


This was his first match back....


When he says good, he might mean he hasnt been arrested or suspended at all.

:thumbup: :thumbup: yep, under the radar, i kept reading the police reports daily, no mention so yeah , pretty well behaved :P


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News Ltd tipping tukhan Tui at 6.

So

4. Rodda
5. Coleman
6. Tui
7. Hooper
8. Poey

I guess that covers the lineout. Tui can belt people and run the ball but not sure he's got the engine for 6.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:03 am 
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News Ltd tipping tukhan Tui at 6.

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4. Rodda
5. Coleman
6. Tui
7. Hooper
8. Poey

I guess that covers the lineout. Tui can belt people and run the ball but not sure he's got the engine for 6.


Has he played much at all in 2018? I love the idea of him at 6; however Cheika's general game plan requires someone with a huge engine and plenty of pace. Tui might be a yard or two off what's required.

Real shame Dempsey is crocked. HUGE shame that Fardy was shown the door. :x

Still, I like the look at that pack.


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Uelese and DHP selected this week, so should be right for Wobs duty.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:06 am 
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Tui’s played 6 about 3 times in his life

International rugby debuts while out of position seem to be a Cheika specialty.

And Fardy was on the nose after a personal falling out with the big guy.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:45 am 
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shanky wrote:
Tui’s played 6 about 3 times in his life

International rugby debuts while out of position seem to be a Cheika specialty.




Nothing that Chubby has ever done compares to the Garrick Morgan at 6 fiasco.


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towny wrote:
Zakar wrote:
News Ltd tipping tukhan Tui at 6.

So

4. Rodda
5. Coleman
6. Tui
7. Hooper
8. Poey

I guess that covers the lineout. Tui can belt people and run the ball but not sure he's got the engine for 6.


Has he played much at all in 2018? I love the idea of him at 6; however Cheika's general game plan requires someone with a huge engine and plenty of pace. Tui might be a yard or two off what's required.

Real shame Dempsey is crocked. HUGE shame that Fardy was shown the door. :x

Still, I like the look at that pack.


Tui did play 6 off the bench for the Wobs.

Dempsey might be back in time aparently. Will be underdone though.


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wamberal99 wrote:
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Tui’s played 6 about 3 times in his life

International rugby debuts while out of position seem to be a Cheika specialty.




Nothing that Chubby has ever done compares to the Garrick Morgan at 6 fiasco.


Or Eales at 8, JOC at 10.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:27 am 
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Zakar wrote:
towny wrote:
Zakar wrote:
News Ltd tipping tukhan Tui at 6.

So

4. Rodda
5. Coleman
6. Tui
7. Hooper
8. Poey

I guess that covers the lineout. Tui can belt people and run the ball but not sure he's got the engine for 6.


Has he played much at all in 2018? I love the idea of him at 6; however Cheika's general game plan requires someone with a huge engine and plenty of pace. Tui might be a yard or two off what's required.

Real shame Dempsey is crocked. HUGE shame that Fardy was shown the door. :x

Still, I like the look at that pack.


Tui did play 6 off the bench for the Wobs.

Dempsey might be back in time aparently. Will be underdone though.


Yes. He played his first ever game at 6 that day - for the Wallabies.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:18 am 
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shanky wrote:
Zakar wrote:
towny wrote:
Zakar wrote:
News Ltd tipping tukhan Tui at 6.

So

4. Rodda
5. Coleman
6. Tui
7. Hooper
8. Poey

I guess that covers the lineout. Tui can belt people and run the ball but not sure he's got the engine for 6.


Has he played much at all in 2018? I love the idea of him at 6; however Cheika's general game plan requires someone with a huge engine and plenty of pace. Tui might be a yard or two off what's required.

Real shame Dempsey is crocked. HUGE shame that Fardy was shown the door. :x

Still, I like the look at that pack.


Tui did play 6 off the bench for the Wobs.

Dempsey might be back in time aparently. Will be underdone though.


Yes. He played his first ever game at 6 that day - for the Wallabies.


He had a few good runs and hits IIRC.


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I’m not sure he has the speed for a 6.
Once again the pooper makes it necessary to play two people out of position.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:09 pm 
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I’m not sure he has the speed for a 6.
Once again the pooper makes it necessary to play two people out of position.


Is it the Pooper? Or the fact that the best candidate is in Europe and the next best two (arguably three) are injured?


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Zakar wrote:
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I’m not sure he has the speed for a 6.
Once again the pooper makes it necessary to play two people out of position.


Is it the Pooper? Or the fact that the best candidate is in Europe and the next best two (arguably three) are injured?


It doesn't really matter as when the Pooper is on deck he plays them. In the interest or going into the RWC at full strength I would like to see them rotated from starting to the bench.

In the first Irish test I would go

6.Higgs(everyone will be jumping up and down about him so slot Cottrell in at 6)
7. Pocock
8. Timu

with Hooper on the bench. Or switch Hooper and Pocock but I feel that Pocock will set the tone for our forwards better in the first 20-30. I absolutely understand Cheika and others wanting to start both Pocock and Hooper but I think a more typical approach may be better in the long term.


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Olo wrote:
I’m not sure he has the speed for a 6.
Once again the pooper makes it necessary to play two people out of position.


Bullshit. All we need is a genuine 6 who is good in the lineout.


Anyway, Hooper and Pocock have completely different games. Other than their number, hair colour and height, they have nothing in common. For example, Pocock doesn't act speak like a f*ckwit. Hooper plays wide and leads the defensive line up looking for the dominant tackle - he actually plays like a 6. Pocock is amazing at the ruck. Both haven't missed a tackle in their lives. The idea that they shouldn't both be in the team because neither of them isn't very tall is ridiculous. The idea that we should select far inferior players just because they usually wear the correct number on their back is f*cking retarded. I think its very comparable to Magne/Betsen and Hill/Back.

Alongside the Pooper, we need someone with a high workrate who is better than average in the lineout. Hooper will be a 4th jumping option at the front.


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Anyway, I happen to think (injuries aside) that by the RC we'll have our strongest side in many years. Our tight 5 options are fantastic and our key players (Genia, Pocock, Hooper, Foley, Folau) are all in good form.

The Irish series is going to be a cracker.


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I agree, I mostly worry about our depth in key positions.

1. Not worried. Plenty of depth.
2. TPN being rested, rest rooks.
3. Not worried. Plenty of depth
4. Not worried. Plenty of depth
5. Not worried. Plenty of depth
6. Basically everyone injured
7. LOL. Marianas trench.
8. We all know Poey will play here, and some talent coming through to back him up.
9. Gap between Genia and rest is huge
10. Foley I'm good form, basically nobody else.
11/14. Not worried. Plenty of depth
12. Not worried. Plenty of depth
13. Not worried. Plenty of depth
15. Not worried. Plenty of depth


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I bet you Ireland win the series, Towny. Bottle of red.


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I bet you Ireland win the series, Towny. Bottle of red.


Done. I'll be in Perth just after the 3rd game so you can fix me up then.


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I bet you Ireland win the series, Towny. Bottle of red.


Done. I'll be in Perth just after the 3rd game so you can fix me up then.

:lol:

You should have let me know, you old slut. Cabal?


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SFBB wrote:
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I bet you Ireland win the series, Towny. Bottle of red.


Done. I'll be in Perth just after the 3rd game so you can fix me up then.

:lol:

You should have let me know, you old slut. Cabal?


Yeah, haven't booked flights yet. Need to sort some work stuff out - don't sook, I'll let you know. Ol' Man River still in town?


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towny wrote:
Olo wrote:
I’m not sure he has the speed for a 6.
Once again the pooper makes it necessary to play two people out of position.


Bullshit. All we need is a genuine 6 who is good in the lineout.


He plays like a lock because he is a lock. Is he even playing right now? Have not seen him lace up the boots for the Reds lately.
I would go Cottrell with the Pooper.


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towny wrote:
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I bet you Ireland win the series, Towny. Bottle of red.


Done. I'll be in Perth just after the 3rd game so you can fix me up then.

:lol:

You should have let me know, you old slut. Cabal?


Yeah, haven't booked flights yet. Need to sort some work stuff out - don't sook, I'll let you know. Ol' Man River still in town?

I got pissed with the smiley hippie on Monday, so unless the hangover killed him he’s around for a little while longer. Can’t get in contact with Groucho though.


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Did GS go for a nap in the shitter this time?


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SFBB, question for you - how do you think Tupou will go against the Irish?


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Our scrum is fairly strong. Both looseheads are Lions. He will look good in the loose, but that’s never been at question. I think you’ll be fairly demolished up front and none of your side will look particularly good. Credit will go to those ball carriers who can get into the wide channels and use their bulk. That’s how you’ll get on the front foot.


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Our scrum is fairly strong. Both looseheads are Lions. He will look good in the loose, but that’s never been at question. I think you’ll be fairly demolished up front and none of your side will look particularly good. Credit will go to those ball carriers who can get into the wide channels and use their bulk. That’s how you’ll get on the front foot.


Yikes.


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I reckon the Wallabies have to build momentum close to the ruck. Pick and drive until the ball is fast and clean. Ireland's success over Australia recently has generally come from three areas:
- Turning us over by holding up players with poor body height
- Difference in quality of the kick & chase
- Nick Phipps

I feel that we should resist the wide channels until it's on. We need to show far more patience than we usually do - it's like our backs get bored and just call the ball and run the play, regardless of what's going on. With the likes of Beale, Folau and Kerevi we've got blokes to make the most of 1 on 1 contests.

The scrum is always a worry; however I'm really happy with how the Reds' guys have developed. Slipper, JP Smith, Tupou along with Kepu are dominating most oppositions and haven't been bettered by boks or ABs. To me, the biggest threat is the kicking. Foley's kicking is certainly the weakest in international rugby and 2 of our back 3 couldn't kick a habit. Meanwhile, all of the Irish can kick well - Murray and Sexton are possibly the best in the world in their positions. If I was Cheika, I would almost be tempted to go with DHP and Maddox to partner with Folau, just to give him support back there.
Defensively we have been shit for a couple of years. If we continue to have Foley defend at left wing we will struggle to win a test in 2018 and will lose this series 3-nil. But alas....

I think we can win the series if we keep our heads and don't get refereed by a kiwi.


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Yeah, you're dead on about the back three. We need all three to be good under the high ball and at least a couple of kickers. Basically that means DHP, Hodge, Maddocks or Banks alongside Folou. Maybe Cam Clark as an absolute bolter.

Nahnotavolvo would get picked to pieces by Murray and Sexton. I'd be more cofortable playing an in form Korobiete vs the ABs than vs the Irish, and he's not even I'm form at the moment.


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Yeah, you're dead on about the back three. We need all three to be good under the high ball and at least a couple of kickers. Basically that means DHP, Hodge, Maddocks or Banks alongside Folou. Maybe Cam Clark as an absolute bolter.

Nahnotavolvo would get picked to pieces by Murray and Sexton. I'd be more cofortable playing an in form Korobiete vs the ABs than vs the Irish, and he's not even I'm form at the moment.


I like the PI wingers; however I would prefer balance over individual athleticism. Cam Clark is interesting - he's got some toe.


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We don’t give up much close to the ruck, and I don’t rate your forwards to do that with the correct body height and discipline.

Ireland had the lowest penalty’s conceded, and highest won, as well as 65% possession and territory in the 6 nations. Super disciplined, and follow the game plan to a tee. When you get the ball it’s usually deep in your half due to a strong kicking game. Our game is built on us catching the ball between the tens and running it back at you. If we aren’t inside 40 in three phases we will kick it deep again and reset. Foley isn’t going to kick you out of this, and we won’t kick to Folau wherever he stands.


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We don’t give up much close to the ruck, and I don’t rate your forwards to do that with the correct body height and discipline.

Ireland had the lowest penalty’s conceded, and highest won, as well as 65% possession and territory in the 6 nations. Super disciplined, and follow the game plan to a tee. When you get the ball it’s usually deep in your half due to a strong kicking game. Our game is built on us catching the ball between the tens and running it back at you. If we aren’t inside 40 in three phases we will kick it deep again and reset. Foley isn’t going to kick you out of this, and we won’t kick to Folau wherever he stands.


Yeah, that kicking is my biggest worry.

Conor Murray is only matched by FdP as a box-kicker imo.


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Yeah, you're dead on about the back three. We need all three to be good under the high ball and at least a couple of kickers. Basically that means DHP, Hodge, Maddocks or Banks alongside Folou. Maybe Cam Clark as an absolute bolter.

Nahnotavolvo would get picked to pieces by Murray and Sexton. I'd be more cofortable playing an in form Korobiete vs the ABs than vs the Irish, and he's not even I'm form at the moment.


I like the PI wingers; however I would prefer balance over individual athleticism. Cam Clark is interesting - he's got some toe.


He's f**king fast. He ran down reiko Ioanne at Brookevale. If Cam Clarke had been a manly junior I'm pretty sure Shanky would have spontaneously combusted in the stands.

Tom Banks is also f**king lightning. Carved up the very fast lions outside backs last weekend.


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I just read that Tom Banks is a Queenslander. Look for my towny press about him in future. ;)


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Schmidt and Andy Farrell will be happy that Cooper is stuck in club Rugby as his long passing and cross kicks would stretch the Irish defensive line that got too narrow in the Six Nations.

Another Irish strength is the amount of ball carriers in the pack even if O'Brien is unavailable. Healy, Henderson, Furlong, Stander. Jack McGrath and James Ryan are handy too. Than there is Conan and Dillane on the fringes pushing for selection.

On JP Smith is he even eligible? He played for the Stormers in 2016.


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Schmidt and Andy Farrell will be happy that Cooper is stuck in club Rugby as his long passing and cross kicks would stretch the Irish defensive line that got too narrow in the Six Nations.

Another Irish strength is the amount of ball carriers in the pack even if O'Brien is unavailable. Healy, Henderson, Furlong, Stander. Jack McGrath and James Ryan are handy too. Than there is Conan and Dillane on the fringes pushing for selection.

On JP Smith is he even eligible? He played for the Stormers in 2016.


His Australian passport says he is. He went to school in Bris Vegas.

(I'm not certain he has an oz passport or is in actual fact eligible. But I assume very strongly.)


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Ireland Squad (Summer Tour 2018, Australia) wrote:

FORWARDS (18)
Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) Captain 111 caps
Tadhg Beirne (Scarlets) uncapped
Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 7 caps
Sean Cronin (St Mary's College/Leinster) 61 caps
Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 23 caps
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 78 caps
Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 38 caps
Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 3 caps
Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 9 caps
Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster) 47 caps
Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster) 20 caps
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 47 caps
Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 7 caps
Quinn Roux (Galwegians/Connacht) 5 caps
James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 8 caps
John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 13 caps
CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 23 caps
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 58 caps

BACKS (14)
Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 7 caps
Ross Byrne (UCD/Leinster) uncapped
Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 10 caps
Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 6 caps
John Cooney (Terenure College RFC/Ulster) 1 cap
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 67 caps
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 33 caps
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 83 caps
Jordan Larmour (St Mary's College/Leinster) 3 caps
Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 21 caps
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 64 caps
Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 13 caps
Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 73 caps
Jacob Stockdale (Ballynahnch/Ulster) 9 caps


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