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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:37 pm 
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It’s pointless re-discussing the merits of the Pooper. Cheika has decided how he wants to play the game and he is all about work rate and accuracy. Unfortunately provincial and test rugby are not the same beast. As with all Wallaby coaches before him, he will live and die by his theories and decisions.

A good big guy will most often top a good little guy, particularly at 6 and 8.


Chika never learns. He'll keep playing his dumb rugby at test level hoping for a different result.

And I agree about the size. Size and physicality matter at test level.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:20 pm 
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After this weekend, this is what I'm expecting to see

1. Sio
2. BPA
3. Kepu
4. Rodda
5. Coleman
6. Tui
7. Hooper
8. Poey
9. Genia
10. Foley
11. Hodge
12. Beale
13. Kuridrani
14. Korobiete
15. Folou

16. Latu
17. Robertson
18. Tupou
19. Simmons
20. Timu
21. Powell
22. Kerevi
23. Banks


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:52 pm 
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Zakar wrote:
After this weekend, this is what I'm expecting to see

1. Sio
2. BPA
3. Kepu
4. Rodda
5. Coleman
6. Tui
7. Hooper
8. Poey
9. Genia
10. Foley
11. Hodge
12. Beale
13. Kuridrani
14. Korobiete
15. Folou

16. Latu
17. Robertson
18. Tupou
19. Simmons
20. Timu
21. Powell
22. Kerevi
23. Banks



I reckon that will be pretty close


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:03 am 
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Can't see why Latu would get past Faingaa; considering he wasn't even in the initial squad.
Also, Tui will be short of a run. If we're going to throw caution to the wind in the backrow, might as well go with the superfit, in form ring in.


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Can't see why Latu would get past Faingaa; considering he wasn't even in the initial squad.
Also, Tui will be short of a run. If we're going to throw caution to the wind in the backrow, might as well go with the superfit, in form ring in.


Yep.

Tui hasn't played and is coming back from injury. He's just in the squad to hold the tackle bags.

Reckon Timu might get a jersey. Also Simmons will start. Fo sho. Take it to the bank.


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Thomas wrote:
towny wrote:
Can't see why Latu would get past Faingaa; considering he wasn't even in the initial squad.
Also, Tui will be short of a run. If we're going to throw caution to the wind in the backrow, might as well go with the superfit, in form ring in.


Yep.

Tui hasn't played and is coming back from injury. He's just in the squad to hold the tackle bags.

Reckon Timu might get a jersey. Also Simmons will start. Fo sho. Take it to the bank.


Simmons? You're on drugs. I like him; however Rodda is a bit violent. Coleman will run the lineouts so we don't need Simmo for that. Reckon Tui will be on the bench for some impact at 60 mins.


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towny wrote:
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Can't see why Latu would get past Faingaa; considering he wasn't even in the initial squad.
Also, Tui will be short of a run. If we're going to throw caution to the wind in the backrow, might as well go with the superfit, in form ring in.


Yep.

Tui hasn't played and is coming back from injury. He's just in the squad to hold the tackle bags.

Reckon Timu might get a jersey. Also Simmons will start. Fo sho. Take it to the bank.


Simmons? You're on drugs. I like him; however Rodda is a bit violent. Coleman will run the lineouts so we don't need Simmo for that. Reckon Tui will be on the bench for some impact at 60 mins.


Narp, narp.

Cheika loves him and he's been solid af for the Tards. He'll go out and play for 50-60 minutes and they'll bring on Rodzilla to smash cunce.


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I have no issue with Simmo starting. Just think Cheika will go for the more violent option and then bring on Tui to keep it up through the full 80.

With Pocock and Hooper though, I can see why it makes sense to select the best lineout option.


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towny wrote:
Can't see why Latu would get past Faingaa; considering he wasn't even in the initial squad.
Also, Tui will be short of a run. If we're going to throw caution to the wind in the backrow, might as well go with the superfit, in form ring in.


I don't think Cheika would want two absolute debutantes as the hooker choices. Latu at leat as a handful of caps.


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Zakar wrote:
towny wrote:
Can't see why Latu would get past Faingaa; considering he wasn't even in the initial squad.
Also, Tui will be short of a run. If we're going to throw caution to the wind in the backrow, might as well go with the superfit, in form ring in.


I don't think Cheika would want two absolute debutantes as the hooker choices. Latu at leat as a handful of caps.


So why did he select 3 hookers - one of which maxed out at 34 minutes in a test jersey?


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towny wrote:
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towny wrote:
Can't see why Latu would get past Faingaa; considering he wasn't even in the initial squad.
Also, Tui will be short of a run. If we're going to throw caution to the wind in the backrow, might as well go with the superfit, in form ring in.


I don't think Cheika would want two absolute debutantes as the hooker choices. Latu at leat as a handful of caps.


So why did he select 3 hookers - one of which maxed out at 34 minutes in a test jersey?


He's at least been through a tour, sung the anthem (I.E dealt with the nerves of an intl) and performed.

It's just a theory, I'd be happier with FF starting anyway, as long as he doesn't headbutt anyone.


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News Ltd reporting that Samu's height has been updated to 190cm on his player profile.

Someone has been playing silly buggers with a tape measure :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:16 am 
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News Ltd reporting that Samu's height has been updated to 190cm on his player profile.

Someone has been playing silly buggers with a tape measure :lol:


He looks pretty tall on the field. 190cm sounds about right.


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fudge the lineout - just put the minimum in every single one. As soon as they steal the lineout, turn the plums over. Samu to start.

I really should be an international coach.


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fudge the lineout - just put the minimum in every single one. As soon as the steal the lineout, turn the plums over. Samu to start.

I really should be an international coach.


Samu can jump okay - it's just whether or not he's solid enough to carry the Pooper. The Pooper trade-off is that we might need to be conservative at the line-out; however the Wallabies LOVE that fast ball from the back.


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If they are short a jumper in the line out why not put Folau in the lineout or does he think there are too many gays in the pack?


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towny wrote:
Zakar wrote:
News Ltd reporting that Samu's height has been updated to 190cm on his player profile.

Someone has been playing silly buggers with a tape measure :lol:


He looks pretty tall on the field. 190cm sounds about right.


Speights height varies from 5 11 through to 6 3 depending on his hairstyle.


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If they are short a jumper in the line out why not put Folau in the lineout or does he think there are too many gays in the pack?


Not sure if a bad joke or the stupidest thing I've heard in my entire life.
I'm going to go with the former.... but I'm watching you.


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Folou in the lineout would be a hilarious idea. Is the minimum still two? Stand coleman at the front tonkeep them honest and Folou back near the 15m line and lob it up to him.

I would pay to see that :lol:


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towny wrote:
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If they are short a jumper in the line out why not put Folau in the lineout or does he think there are too many gays in the pack?


Not sure if a bad joke or the stupidest thing I've heard in my entire life.
I'm going to go with the former.... but I'm watching you.



I know his calves may be a little skinny but I am reliably informed that skinny calves are no barrier to lower to mid range performance in the lineout.


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Zakar wrote:
Folou in the lineout would be a hilarious idea. Is the minimum still two? Stand coleman at the front tonkeep them honest and Folou back near the 15m line and lob it up to him.

I would pay to see that :lol:


He would likely be handy at the back for anything overthrown by either team.


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Here's Samu standing next to the (allegedly) 187cm James Lowe, so 190 is probably about right. Bit hard to tell given the angle of course.


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Here's Samu standing next to the (allegedly) 187cm James Lowe, so 190 is probably about right. Bit hard to tell given the angle of course.


So the Crusaders are proven height deflators?


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News Ltd reporting that Samu's height has been updated to 190cm on his player profile.

Someone has been playing silly buggers with a tape measure :lol:

What about his leg circumference?


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towny wrote:
Can't see why Latu would get past Faingaa; considering he wasn't even in the initial squad.
Also, Tui will be short of a run. If we're going to throw caution to the wind in the backrow, might as well go with the superfit, in form ring in.


I don't think Cheika would want two absolute debutantes as the hooker choices. Latu at leat as a handful of caps.


New update: apparently Rangi is being flown up so Chrika can take a look at him. So my theory is looking more and more piss poor. :thumbup: :blush:


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mrbrownstone wrote:
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Here's Samu standing next to the (allegedly) 187cm James Lowe, so 190 is probably about right. Bit hard to tell given the angle of course.


Do they throw to Samu in the lineout much?


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Olo wrote:
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Here's Samu standing next to the (allegedly) 187cm James Lowe, so 190 is probably about right. Bit hard to tell given the angle of course.


Do they throw to Samu in the lineout much?


He's a target every now and then for the Crusaders, but with Whitelock, Barrett, and other loose forward options he's probably the 4th option most of the time. Shame there aren't any decent statistics for lineout takes, but my guess is he'd only have a handful per season.


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mrbrownstone wrote:
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Here's Samu standing next to the (allegedly) 187cm James Lowe, so 190 is probably about right. Bit hard to tell given the angle of course.


Which one is he?


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Any changes next week? Maybe swap BPA and Latu, though the rookie should get another chance IMO. Unless injuries have struck, 23 should stay the same.


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Could make a change or two. No need to keep it exactly the same despite a good performance.
Not saying we have to but....

Changes to consider

Arnold in for Simmons
TK in for Kerevi
Tui to start at 6
Revert to a 5/3 bench and introduce one of the young speedsters for a debut off the pine


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Olo wrote:
Could make a change or two. No need to keep it exactly the same despite a good performance.
Not saying we have to but....

Changes to consider

Arnold in for Simmons
TK in for Kerevi
Tui to start at 6
Revert to a 5/3 bench and introduce one of the young speedsters for a debut off the pine


TK for Kerevi? What happened? Did Kerevi run over your dog?


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Kerevi was great. Defended very well, and every time he got the ball a few green shirts needed to swarm him. He was one of the reasons we found room out wide.


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This is probably the team for the WC. Probably Hodge in for DHP. You got about 12-14 tests before the WC so you need give these guys tests especially Timu/Samu.


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This is probably the team for the WC. Probably Hodge in for DHP. You got about 12-14 tests before the WC so you need give these guys tests especially Timu/Samu.


Nope.

DHP was great.


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This is probably the team for the WC. Probably Hodge in for DHP. You got about 12-14 tests before the WC so you need give these guys tests especially Timu/Samu.


Nope.

DHP was great.

He was but so would Hodge if he had the chance. Difference is Hodge got pace.


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DHP vs Hodge (or indeed Banks/Maddocks) is a bit horses for courses for mine.

DHP is brilliant in the air, so 100% makes sense vs the Irish. Against the All Blacks or Boks you might want someone with more pace.


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DHP vs Hodge (or indeed Banks/Maddocks) is a bit horses for courses for mine.

DHP is brilliant in the air, so 100% makes sense vs the Irish. Against the All Blacks or Boks you might want someone with more pace.


The Irish wont kick it to DHP and co allnight next week will they? Ireland will spend all week and 3/4 of the match working out how to stop the kick to Folau. We should use the same tactic but kick it to DHP instead.


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Zakar wrote:
DHP vs Hodge (or indeed Banks/Maddocks) is a bit horses for courses for mine.

DHP is brilliant in the air, so 100% makes sense vs the Irish. Against the All Blacks or Boks you might want someone with more pace.


The Irish wont kick it to DHP and co allnight next week will they? Ireland will spend all week and 3/4 of the match working out how to stop the kick to Folau. We should use the same tactic but kick it to DHP instead.


Do they have another tactic?

It's all they do vs their 6N opponents. They have just come up against the #1 aerial threat in the world, and DHP who is probably top 5.

I really think Cheika looked at the French 6N game for inspiration. Hard defence, pressurise the halves, stretch them wide. Just added the 'kick to folou' option.


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Last night was the first time we've targeted crosskicks to Folau consistently the entire game mainly by Beale. It was too low most of time but he'd get his range soon.


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Beale was the difference he beat the rush defence consistently by either stepping or a flat pass.


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