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I haven’t read the article yet; how many paragraphs before underarm is mentioned?

Dumbledore wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Most Australians would dismiss any talk of "fair play" or of "the spirit of the game" or of "sportsmanship" as the talk of "losers" or, at best, hopelessly old-fashioned. A deliberate aggressiveness is thought to be the key to success and, when victory is won, an excessive triumphalism is expected as the appropriate Australian response.

And, if a David Warner or Nick Kyrgios is criticised for bad behaviour, most Australians would defend them and their actions as long as they win - indeed, as with sledging, the bad behaviour is seen as an essential part of a winning strategy.

None of this might matter if it were a purely sporting phenomenon. But attitudes such as these, seen in sport, are (predictably enough, given the important place occupied by sport in Australian society) sadly reflective of the attitudes that increasingly imbue Australian society as a whole.

Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=12010795

Such a weirdly bitter and insecure country.

Progressive, you forgot progressive

Dumbledore wrote:

mr bungle wrote:There's only the odd standout knobhead sportsperson, IMO. How is Kyrgios perceived in Aus? He has one of the lamest temperaments of any sportsperson I've seen. Total wanker.

What? He's fine. Anyone who winds the tennis pearl-clutchers up is generally doing something right.

Nothing fine about a troubled fuckstick of a kid acting the total cunt. If it was a school playground he'd either be ostracised, beaten up or both.

As Kiap says, he's finally showing some grace and humility. And he'll win knockers over if he's truly turned a new leaf.

Bindi wrote:I haven’t read the article yet; how many paragraphs before underarm is mentioned?

Paragraph 3, line 1.

A sign of maturity that it's been relegated from the headline IMO.

mr bungle wrote:

Dumbledore wrote:

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Most Australians would dismiss any talk of "fair play" or of "the spirit of the game" or of "sportsmanship" as the talk of "losers" or, at best, hopelessly old-fashioned. A deliberate aggressiveness is thought to be the key to success and, when victory is won, an excessive triumphalism is expected as the appropriate Australian response.

And, if a David Warner or Nick Kyrgios is criticised for bad behaviour, most Australians would defend them and their actions as long as they win - indeed, as with sledging, the bad behaviour is seen as an essential part of a winning strategy.

None of this might matter if it were a purely sporting phenomenon. But attitudes such as these, seen in sport, are (predictably enough, given the important place occupied by sport in Australian society) sadly reflective of the attitudes that increasingly imbue Australian society as a whole.

Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world, but I am sure I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism in the voice and face that Australia now displays to the rest of the world, and not least to their friends.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=12010795

Such a weirdly bitter and insecure country.

Progressive, you forgot progressive

Good point. It was exciting to hear that there's no such thing in racism in New Zealand, stirred the soul.

mr bungle wrote:

Dumbledore wrote:

mr bungle wrote:There's only the odd standout knobhead sportsperson, IMO. How is Kyrgios perceived in Aus? He has one of the lamest temperaments of any sportsperson I've seen. Total wanker.

What? He's fine. Anyone who winds the tennis pearl-clutchers up is generally doing something right.

Nothing fine about a troubled fuckstick of a kid acting the total cunt. If it was a school playground he'd either be ostracised, beaten up or both.

As Kiap says, he's finally showing some grace and humility. And he'll win knockers over if he's truly turned a new leaf.

I dunno about humility ... but he has cleaned his act up somewhat.

Players in individual sports, by definition, need to have an ego. So long as it's kept under self-control most of the time, all is well.

But if they can learn how to fake humility while they're at it (shout out to Roger), they've got it made.

mr bungle wrote:

Dumbledore wrote:

mr bungle wrote:There's only the odd standout knobhead sportsperson, IMO. How is Kyrgios perceived in Aus? He has one of the lamest temperaments of any sportsperson I've seen. Total wanker.

What? He's fine. Anyone who winds the tennis pearl-clutchers up is generally doing something right.

Nothing fine about a troubled fuckstick of a kid acting the total cunt. If it was a school playground he'd either be ostracised, beaten up or both.

As Kiap says, he's finally showing some grace and humility. And he'll win knockers over if he's truly turned a new leaf.

What's troubled about him? He just doesn't much like playing tennis, and who can really blame him? It'd be a miserable job. Richard Cooke had a pretty good profile on him in the latest Monthly, worth a look - https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/201 ... alent-burn

He's significantly less of a plum than, say, Serena Williams. Or to go back into the Australian archives, Our Leyton.

keep your false chompers in Wambers not every one is here to "have a go m8"

True Blue wrote:Nah, just their cricket team.

Their other teams are ok. Cricket team has a history of cvnts though.

Difference is they current team are living off the glory of past teams.

I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism

I wonder if this thread will throw up perfectly accurate examples of this trend, strengthening the writer's point without even a hint of irony

naki wrote:

I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism

I wonder if this thread will throw up perfectly accurate examples of this trend, strengthening the writer's point without even a hint of irony

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY THAT, DICKHEAD!

Should have said kiwi - or preferably keewee - dickhead for the full grievy effect.

naki wrote:

I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism

I wonder if this thread will throw up perfectly accurate examples of this trend, strengthening the writer's point without even a hint of irony

The point is not whether Australians have, in our own self-interested way, told a few New Zealanders (and others) to "nick orf". That is acknowledged.

It's about the needy lack of unzid self awareness.

New Zealanders can be the nicest people in the world, individually, but their collective hypocrisy is unbounded.

Should have said kiwi - or preferably keewee - dickhead for the full grievy effect.

naki wrote:Should have said kiwi - or preferably keewee - dickhead for the full grievy effect.

How's that Kiwi (or preferably Keewee) war victim refugee program going, naks?

Can you check with Jacinda and get back to us - I think she said there was an "intention" to raise it to a whopping 1500!

I know she tried to nick a few folk away from Manus, in a bit of a virtue-signalling diversion, but they're already spoken for.

You New Zealanders should be out in the refugee camps gettin' yer own.

Be good to know how that's tracking.

Chur.

Can you please stop lumping in all kiwis with the likes of Scottish crotch face Gregor Paul and this British MP TwatFace Whathisname who may have been born in Godszone but is clearly a pom.

Do agree about the underarm thing though. I don't want to end up like the Welsh and still hear the whinging about some match in 1953. Any mention of the underarm from this point on should result in immediate exile.

kiap wrote:

naki wrote:Should have said kiwi - or preferably keewee - dickhead for the full grievy effect.

How's that Kiwi (or preferably Keewee) war victim refugee program going, naks?

Can you check with Jacinda and get back to us - I think she said there was an "intention" to raise it to a whopping 1500!

I know she tried to nick a few folk away from Manus, in a bit of a virtue-signalling diversion, but they're already spoken for.

You New Zealanders should be out in the refugee camps gettin' yer own.

Be good to know how that's tracking.

Chur.

Saint Jacinda would never do such a thing. She's perfect. Totally Perfect. Did you know she's pregnant and awesome and, like, totally cool? I cannot wait to read the next gushing article about this incredible woman that got a third of the vote.

And her new aged husband is super awesome also. I read it at stuff.co.nz so it's fact.

kiap wrote:

naki wrote:Should have said kiwi - or preferably keewee - dickhead for the full grievy effect.

How's that Kiwi (or preferably Keewee) war victim refugee program going, naks?

Can you check with Jacinda and get back to us - I think she said there was an "intention" to raise it to a whopping 1500!

I know she tried to nick a few folk away from Manus, in a bit of a virtue-signalling diversion, but they're already spoken for.

You New Zealanders should be out in the refugee camps gettin' yer own.

Be good to know how that's tracking.

Chur.

Why?

True Blue wrote:Can you please stop lumping in all kiwis with the likes of Scottish crotch face Gregor Paul and this British MP TwatFace Whathisname who may have been born in Godszone but is clearly a pom.

It's not just those guys? It's nearly every NZ journalist with a platform. Someone posted some waffle from Duncan Johnstone in the cricket thread where he was wringing his hands, lamenting that David Warner was essentially the devil and everything that comes his way is all his fault etc.

Is it some journalistic rite of passage over there? You can't be considered a proper journalist in NZ until you climb onto that moral high horse and sniff down at the brutes from "over the ditch" with a lengthy article about how Australians are horrible people? I suppose it's a better method than kicking the shit out of a woman but still keeping your job as an industry leader...

I also understand that, to many kiwis, an article about how nasty Australians are is like blood in the water. An article about Aussies is going to get those clicks. Those delicious clicks that all journalists these days hang their hats on. You've heard of the term low hanging fruit? Well, an article about nasty Aussies is a potato.

naki wrote:

kiap wrote:

naki wrote:Should have said kiwi - or preferably keewee - dickhead for the full grievy effect.

How's that Kiwi (or preferably Keewee) war victim refugee program going, naks?

Can you check with Jacinda and get back to us - I think she said there was an "intention" to raise it to a whopping 1500!

I know she tried to nick a few folk away from Manus, in a bit of a virtue-signalling diversion, but they're already spoken for.

You New Zealanders should be out in the refugee camps gettin' yer own.

Be good to know how that's tracking.

Chur.

Why?

It's okay, we understand. Others are taking more of the load.

Sometimes there is a hard-edged national motivation that results in an unwillingness to consider the interest of others.

kiap wrote:

naki wrote:

kiap wrote:

naki wrote:Should have said kiwi - or preferably keewee - dickhead for the full grievy effect.

How's that Kiwi (or preferably Keewee) war victim refugee program going, naks?

Can you check with Jacinda and get back to us - I think she said there was an "intention" to raise it to a whopping 1500!

I know she tried to nick a few folk away from Manus, in a bit of a virtue-signalling diversion, but they're already spoken for.

You New Zealanders should be out in the refugee camps gettin' yer own.

Be good to know how that's tracking.

Chur.

Why?

It's okay, we understand. Others are taking more of the load.

Sometimes there is a hard-edged national motivation that results in an unwillingness to consider the interest of others.

Oh, you were whataboutering.

I should have known.

naki wrote:

kiap wrote:

naki wrote:

kiap wrote:

naki wrote:Should have said kiwi - or preferably keewee - dickhead for the full grievy effect.

How's that Kiwi (or preferably Keewee) war victim refugee program going, naks?

Can you check with Jacinda and get back to us - I think she said there was an "intention" to raise it to a whopping 1500!

I know she tried to nick a few folk away from Manus, in a bit of a virtue-signalling diversion, but they're already spoken for.

You New Zealanders should be out in the refugee camps gettin' yer own.

Be good to know how that's tracking.

Chur.

Why?

It's okay, we understand. Others are taking more of the load.

Sometimes there is a hard-edged national motivation that results in an unwillingness to consider the interest of others.

Oh, you were whataboutering.

I should have known.

Directly addressing the OP, my friend.

In fact, I've taken phrases from Sneaker's quoting, verbatim.

It seems this is a particular bug bear of Gould’s. Take this totally not made up incident with a barista last year;

My wife and I have often enjoyed holidays in Australia. A year or two ago, we returned to Noosa, and visited a café where we remembered having had good coffee a year earlier.

As he handed us our coffees, I asked the barista whether he was the Kiwi we recalled having met there briefly on our previous visit. To my surprise, he stiffened, glared at me and said through clenched teeth, “I’m a proud Australian”, and stalked off. We drank our coffees and did not return.

It prompted me to wonder, however, what had led him to react as though an innocent inquiry had grievously insulted him?

http://www.bryangould.com/is-there-any- ... hostility/

Sounds like Australians are very evil. Even gets a dig in about Super Rugby at the end. I wonder why he’s getting all this hostility?

[quote="kiap”]
Directly addressing the OP, my friend.

In fact, I've taken phrases from Sneaker's quoting, verbatim. [/quote]

whataboutery is directly addressing now?

Awesome. I’m going to have plenty of fun with that from now on I’m sure.

Edit: urgh farked up the quote function

I haven't read any other thread but have we covered the point that Warner loves to dish out but can't handle the Jandle back at him?



He is the epitome of the bundy-fuelled little gobshite who's always up for a "Punch-on" in certain drinking establishments.

I'd have thought it'd be dead simple to spot a Kiwi barista given how smug they all are.

Jay Cee Gee wrote:I'd have thought it'd be dead simple to spot a Kiwi barista given how smug they all are.

naki wrote:It seems this is a particular bug bear of Gould’s. Take this totally not made up incident with a barista last year;

My wife and I have often enjoyed holidays in Australia. A year or two ago, we returned to Noosa, and visited a café where we remembered having had good coffee a year earlier.

As he handed us our coffees, I asked the barista whether he was the Kiwi we recalled having met there briefly on our previous visit. To my surprise, he stiffened, glared at me and said through clenched teeth, “I’m a proud Australian”, and stalked off. We drank our coffees and did not return.

It prompted me to wonder, however, what had led him to react as though an innocent inquiry had grievously insulted him?

http://www.bryangould.com/is-there-any- ... hostility/

Sounds like Australians are very evil. Even gets a dig in about Super Rugby at the end. I wonder why he’s getting all this hostility?

That's amazing.



I like how he's adding a little bit of everything into the mix.

And that is especially so when a little dose of Aussie racism is added to the mix. In many Australian minds, “Kiwi” means Maori or Polynesian – and that, sadly, is likely to be a further cause of hostility.

Caleb Maraku

Coward puncher and soon-to-be repatriatee

He's already back here isn't he? I hope so - the only things I hate about the Oz repatriation policy is that it can take forever and they are kept in a concentration camp while they wait - and that they send people who have been there since they were 2 or 3. They have no support here and they really are an Aussie made problem.

Pricks like this though - well done on getting rid of the turd.

Thomas wrote: I also understand that, to many kiwis, an article about how nasty Australians are is like blood in the water. An article about Aussies is going to get those clicks.

To be fair, they also know they're gonna get a few clicks from you.

Jay Cee Gee wrote:

Thomas wrote: I also understand that, to many kiwis, an article about how nasty Australians are is like blood in the water. An article about Aussies is going to get those clicks.

To be fair, they also know they're gonna get a few clicks from you.

Ugh.

I don't click on those links.

Gross.

naki wrote:

kiap wrote:Directly addressing the OP, my friend.

In fact, I've taken phrases from Sneaker's quoting, verbatim.

whataboutery is directly addressing now?

Let's go through the quoted text.

• yer aul mucker wrote:None of this might matter if it were a purely sporting phenomenon.

In other words, his moaning about Davey Warner and co. was just clickbait.

As so eloquently outlined by Thomas earlier in this thread. Gould loves Australians, too:

• aul mucker wrote:Individual Australians can be the nicest people in the world

So no problem there. What he's really concerned about is this...

• old mate wrote:I am not alone in having noticed an increasing intolerance of other views, an unwillingness to consider the interest of others, and a harder-edged nationalism

Frankly, I share his worry. Right under his nose, the ball has slipped here.

New Zealand's intransigence (over more than a quarter of a century - so it's not just Jacinda) in its unwillingness to consider the increased needs of refugees over it's hard-nosed national self interest in favour of domestic electoral pandering ... is but one example.

It's only though the active opposition from grass-roots folk like us, naki, that will hold those in power to account.

I think we take in too many.

Yup Caleb will be soon punching somebody on the side of the dome in Queen St soon enough

I can understand Australia wanting to send these vermin back, we just need a repatriation facility on some offshore island for these wit kant (I am thinking Raoul)

maxbox wrote:Yup Caleb will be soon punching somebody on the side of the dome in Queen St soon enough

I can understand Australia wanting to send these vermin back, we just need a repatriation facility on some offshore island for these plum (I am thinking Raoul)

Send them all to Auckland*.



*Auckland Island.

New Zealand's intransigence (over more than a quarter of a century - so it's not just Jacinda) in its unwillingness to consider the increased needs of refugees over it's hard-nosed national self interest in favour of domestic electoral pandering ... is but one example.

Their needs? - food, shelter and a job? (And a back door to Australia )

Enzedder wrote:

New Zealand's intransigence (over more than a quarter of a century - so it's not just Jacinda) in its unwillingness to consider the increased needs of refugees over it's hard-nosed national self interest in favour of domestic electoral pandering ... is but one example.

Their needs? - food, shelter and a job? (And a back door to Australia )

Jay Cee Gee wrote:

maxbox wrote:Yup Caleb will be soon punching somebody on the side of the dome in Queen St soon enough

I can understand Australia wanting to send these vermin back, we just need a repatriation facility on some offshore island for these plum (I am thinking Raoul)

Send them all to Auckland*.



*Auckland Island.

Good idea! I hear there is an old abandoned settlement there... it's just crying out for a touch of fresh paint and razor wire fencing

naki wrote:It seems this is a particular bug bear of Gould’s. Take this totally not made up incident with a barista last year;

My wife and I have often enjoyed holidays in Australia. A year or two ago, we returned to Noosa, and visited a café where we remembered having had good coffee a year earlier.

As he handed us our coffees, I asked the barista whether he was the Kiwi we recalled having met there briefly on our previous visit. To my surprise, he stiffened, glared at me and said through clenched teeth, “I’m a proud Australian”, and stalked off. We drank our coffees and did not return.

It prompted me to wonder, however, what had led him to react as though an innocent inquiry had grievously insulted him?

http://www.bryangould.com/is-there-any- ... hostility/

Sounds like Australians are very evil. Even gets a dig in about Super Rugby at the end. I wonder why he’s getting all this hostility?

He has his own domain

Also, as the Vice Chancellor of Waikato University and on about 600k a year, I suspect he was probably more outraged that he had to get his own coffee.

It’s terrible here

Acenas/Mutton has even been abused in the street. And he’s an attractive Maori girl.