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 Post subject: IS TESLA GOING BUST
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:34 pm 
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Read the other day that the world and his wife are shorting Tesla shares


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Has anybody ever actually seen a Tesla? I haven't and I am not confined to my bed.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Rumours of similarities with a Ponzi scheme have abounded


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:41 pm 
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NO IT ISN'T


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Has anybody ever actually seen a Tesla? I haven't and I am not confined to my bed.


I see them semi-regularly on the way to the office, and at least one in the car park daily.


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I see one or two a week


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5 to 10 a day


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Model 3 delays may kill them


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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argus wrote:
5 to 10 a day



Nice......


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Do they look like Fiat Panda's and that is my issue?


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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EverReady wrote:
Has anybody ever actually seen a Tesla? I haven't and I am not confined to my bed.


Flew into/out of Schiphol recently and all the airport taxis seemed to be Teslas.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:55 pm 
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Gavin Duffy wrote:
NO IT ISN'T

Shares were down a lot yesterday weren't they ?
Just seen what is going on today

Market summary > Tesla Inc
NASDAQ: TSLA - Mar 28, 3:54 PM EDT
258.82USDPrice decrease20.35 (7.29%)


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Jim Lahey wrote:
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Has anybody ever actually seen a Tesla? I haven't and I am not confined to my bed.


Flew into/out of Schiphol recently and all the airport taxis seemed to be Teslas.


Norway is wall to wall with them because of the government import policy


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Tesla is going through another funding round, it's shades are almost certainly overvalued, and there's some hedge fund managers with enormous short positions who are desperately trying to talk Tesla down

It's not going bust


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argus wrote:
5 to 10 a day


Must be popular down there. I see lots of luxury cars around here (Porsche, Maserati, Aston Martin etc) but probably only 1-2 Teslas a week.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Anonymous. wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
NO IT ISN'T

Shares were down a lot yesterday weren't they ?
Just seen what is going on today

Market summary > Tesla Inc
NASDAQ: TSLA - Mar 28, 3:54 PM EDT
258.82USDPrice decrease20.35 (7.29%)


Fatal crash last week


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Bowens wrote:
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5 to 10 a day


Must be popular down there. I see lots of luxury cars around here (Porsche, Maserati, Aston Martin etc) but probably only 1-2 Teslas a week.


There's 10 to. 15 Tesla's that I see locally on a regular basis.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:00 pm 
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Bowens wrote:
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5 to 10 a day


Must be popular down there. I see lots of luxury cars around here (Porsche, Maserati, Aston Martin etc) but probably only 1-2 Teslas a week.


Yes

Lots of those Maserati s around

Must be a lower end one as they are everywhere in the last couple of years


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Anonymous. wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
NO IT ISN'T

Shares were down a lot yesterday weren't they ?
Just seen what is going on today

Market summary > Tesla Inc
NASDAQ: TSLA - Mar 28, 3:54 PM EDT
258.82USDPrice decrease20.35 (7.29%)

I LIKE SHOUTING


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Also once they sell 200k or something in total sales the federal tax credit given to buyers goes away


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Jim Lahey wrote:
EverReady wrote:
Has anybody ever actually seen a Tesla? I haven't and I am not confined to my bed.


Flew into/out of Schiphol recently and all the airport taxis seemed to be Teslas.

Yeah there seems to be a lot of them in NL


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argus wrote:
5 to 10 a day


You work in the Tesla factory?


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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argus wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
NO IT ISN'T

Shares were down a lot yesterday weren't they ?
Just seen what is going on today

Market summary > Tesla Inc
NASDAQ: TSLA - Mar 28, 3:54 PM EDT
258.82USDPrice decrease20.35 (7.29%)


Fatal crash last week

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Late on Tuesday, Moody’s Investors Service downgraded Tesla’s credit rating to B3 from B2, citing “the significant shortfall in the production rate of the company’s Model 3 electric vehicle.” It also noted “liquidity pressures due to its large negative free cash flow and the pending maturities of convertible bonds.”


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Saint wrote:
Tesla is going through another funding round, it's shades are almost certainly overvalued, and there's some hedge fund managers with enormous short positions who are desperately trying to talk Tesla down

It's not going bust


The hedge fund is not even that large

Not like Pershing Capital and their $1B short position on Herbalife


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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TranceNRG wrote:
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5 to 10 a day


You work in the Tesla factory?


South Florida

I probably see the the same cars everyday in the area


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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When will it make a profit ?

Musk has already thrown in much of the empire with the cars (battery stuff has much more long term value) , the car stuff will be bought out at some point , at what value that is God only knows.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Fair few Model S around in the village here. More Teslas than Mazzers, Porsches and F Types, which I take to be a good sign.

Of course, you don't see any Model X around, because every single one appears to have spent 90% of its time in recall. Absolute waste of space vehicles with nothing properly tested.

Two owners I know (and the only two I've heard with them) haven't had their actual car they bought for more than a week at a time in the last 6 months... They get plenty of different coloured variants to play with, mind. Until they break down, too.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Musk has always seemed a bit of a charlatan.


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A family member has the Model X.

Seriously impressive when you actually sit in one. The acceleration is nuts.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:16 pm 
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argus wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
NO IT ISN'T

Shares were down a lot yesterday weren't they ?
Just seen what is going on today

Market summary > Tesla Inc
NASDAQ: TSLA - Mar 28, 3:54 PM EDT
258.82USDPrice decrease20.35 (7.29%)


Fatal crash last week

That wasn't a Tesla, you dolt.
4 on my street alone, and two colleagues have them (so that they can drive into the office without paying Congestion Charge).


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Floppykid wrote:
Musk has always seemed a bit of a charlatan.


I have always thought this

The hype around the bloke has never seemed to be that warranted

He is to business what SBW is to rugby union


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Da iawn diolch wrote:
argus wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
NO IT ISN'T

Shares were down a lot yesterday weren't they ?
Just seen what is going on today

Market summary > Tesla Inc
NASDAQ: TSLA - Mar 28, 3:54 PM EDT
258.82USDPrice decrease20.35 (7.29%)


Fatal crash last week

That wasn't a Tesla, you dolt.
4 on my street alone, and two colleagues have them (so that they can drive into the office without paying Congestion Charge).


I may be a dolt but there was a fatal crash in California on Friday that is specifically referred to on Bloomberg as one of the reasons for the drop in the share price


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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Da iawn diolch wrote:
argus wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
NO IT ISN'T

Shares were down a lot yesterday weren't they ?
Just seen what is going on today

Market summary > Tesla Inc
NASDAQ: TSLA - Mar 28, 3:54 PM EDT
258.82USDPrice decrease20.35 (7.29%)


Fatal crash last week

That wasn't a Tesla, you dolt.
4 on my street alone, and two colleagues have them (so that they can drive into the office without paying Congestion Charge).



4 on your street? Between you and PJM you have the UK sales totals .... :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:28 pm 
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European sales (non UK)



http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/tesla/


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:29 pm 
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Dark wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Musk has always seemed a bit of a charlatan.


I have always thought this

The hype around the bloke has never seemed to be that warranted

He is to business what SBW is to rugby union


The Space X stuff is hardly the work of a charlatan ?

I am deeply suspicious of the financial model behind the car company though.


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fishfoodie wrote:
Dark wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Musk has always seemed a bit of a charlatan.


I have always thought this

The hype around the bloke has never seemed to be that warranted

He is to business what SBW is to rugby union


The Space X stuff is hardly the work of a charlatan ?

I am deeply suspicious of the financial model behind the car company though.


Nah any fat tourists can set up a company that launches shit into space, resuses its rockets, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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argus wrote:
Da iawn diolch wrote:
argus wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:
NO IT ISN'T

Shares were down a lot yesterday weren't they ?
Just seen what is going on today

Market summary > Tesla Inc
NASDAQ: TSLA - Mar 28, 3:54 PM EDT
258.82USDPrice decrease20.35 (7.29%)


Fatal crash last week

That wasn't a Tesla, you dolt.
4 on my street alone, and two colleagues have them (so that they can drive into the office without paying Congestion Charge).


I may be a dolt but there was a fatal crash in California on Friday that is specifically referred to on Bloomberg as one of the reasons for the drop in the share price


The same crash is being blamed for the plummet of nvidias stock price too; which is even more idiotic.

In summary, stock brokers are idiots who don't understand tech.


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 Post subject: Re: IS TESLA GOING BUST
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danthefan wrote:
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Has anybody ever actually seen a Tesla? I haven't and I am not confined to my bed.


I see them semi-regularly on the way to the office, and at least one in the car park daily.


Yes me too. Saw one across from the barber the other day and one at work (maybe a visitor).

Would you know how to spot one ER?


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EverReady wrote:
Has anybody ever actually seen a Tesla? I haven't and I am not confined to my bed.

In Switzerland they can turn up on Uber. Massive inside. Bit beige.


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In summary, stock brokers are idiots who don't understand tech.

I would politely interject that you may not fully understand finance.


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