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Gullible is as Gullible doesDark wrote:He got asked, he answeredDarth_Quinlan wrote:Wow these Christian fundos are so stupid
Couldnt keep his thoughts to himself
Had to had a bigoted brain fart
Fantasizing about big titted wives is fine.eldanielfire wrote:The real question is, is it wrong to fantasise about boning Folau's hot but clearly also bigoted wife?
its fine, as long as you don't move next door to her ........that would be weird.J Man wrote:Fantasizing about big titted wives is fine.eldanielfire wrote:The real question is, is it wrong to fantasise about boning Folau's hot but clearly also bigoted wife?
She's not that hot tbf. Again, she looks too much like him.eldanielfire wrote:The real question is, is it wrong to fantasise about boning Folau's hot but clearly also bigoted wife?
eugenius wrote:https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/10319 ... s-comments
Brad Weber's biggest tackle, bringing down Israel Folau for whanau and Kiwis
PAUL CULLY
Last updated 09:54, April 18 2018
Brad Weber's stance is a wonderful reminder that players can be more than just walking cliches.
OPINION: Last August NZ Rugby received the 'Rainbow Tick' for its works towards diversity.
On Tuesday night Brad Weber took Israel Folau to task on social media.
The first was a nice badge but the second was a megaphone.
Chiefs halfback Weber has fronted. He has stood up for his whanau and all New Zealanders, and may have just changed the game when it comes to rugby players talking about social issues.
He did not have to. In fact, there must have been a voice in his head telling him to keep his head down.
Put yourself in his shoes. He is one of the No 9s chasing the 'third halfback' spot in the All Blacks and he is about to fly with the Chiefs to Australia, where the debate about Folau's views on homosexuals has been raging all week.
Weber, if he had followed the script, would have simply kept "following his processes" and all those other phrases players are trained to use to avoid actually saying anything.
But, gloriously, Weber deviated from this path and acted like a human. He went to his Twitter account, called out Folau for his views and articulated his "disgust".
Brad Weber
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@brad_weber9
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Kinda sick of us players staying quiet on some of this stuff. I can't stand that I have to play this game that I love with people, like Folau, who say what he's saying
Brad Weber
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@brad_weber9
My cousin and her partner, and my Aunty and her partner are some of the most kind, caring & loving people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. To think that I play against someone that says they'll go to Hell for being gay disgusts me.
Within minutes it was all around the world. The word was out: an All Black (once an All Black always an All Black) had spoken out.
It was, to many, the response that Rugby Australia needed to bring to their first meeting with Folau.
Instead, rugby in Australia has let itself be walked all over by one player. Astonishingly, Raelene Castle even expressed pride that Folau had such committed views.
But even that path of appeasement was not enough for Folau, who apparently took umbrage at Castle's press conference in which it was already clear RA was preparing to roll over.
There is little wonder that no Australian player has publicly spoken out against Folau, when the attitude of HQ has been to placate him.
It will be fascinating to see the NZ Rugby response, because it can no longer stay silent after Weber's intervention.
Presumably, it was hoping that it would watch the Folau case play out without comment.
Possibly, NZR is even a little irked that Weber's stance will draw it closer to the issue. This is an organisation which has just lost the broad-thinking Neil Sorenson.
But that only emphasises Weber's courage in speaking out. He was well aware of the cone of silence before he took to Twitter, and how he was "kinda sick of" players staying silent.
Still, he listened to his convictions and spoke out.
And is that not we want from athletes in 2018? Weber's employers must back him absolutely or that Rainbow Tick means nothing.
Naturally, there will be those whose religious beliefs persuade them to stand with Folau over his comments. That is how it should be and Weber does not want to deny them that right.
But there will be others who will feel a little less alone this morning, because they know that an All Black is in their corner. Some may have walked into school feeling a bit taller.
Weber's comments clearly came from a personal place but they will reverberate far and wide. They follow the work of former Chief Tawera Kerr-Barlow in trying to stamp out homophobia.
This country is producing players who starting to find their voices and New Zealand should be proud of them.
- Stuff
You wouldn’t know him, he’s whitePeaches wrote:Who is this Brad Weber fellow?
I'd ravage them both. At the same time. Then again separately. Over and over.comets wrote:its fine, as long as you don't move next door to her ........that would be weird.J Man wrote:Fantasizing about big titted wives is fine.eldanielfire wrote:The real question is, is it wrong to fantasise about boning Folau's hot but clearly also bigoted wife?
I don't find Maria that attractive, if i wanted a "religious" hottie i can fantasize about, i'll take Eliza McCartney please..
No-one is denying him his ability to say that. But there are real consequences for it. These consequences are sponsors of the code who dont want to be associated with his statements. They are withdrawing sponsorship. And that affects Folau's employer.wamberal99 wrote:As much as I abhor the vicious nonsense that Izzy tweeted, I have to say that he does have a right to say what he believes, as misguided, and damaging it might be. And it is damaging not only to LGBTI people and their loved ones: it is also damaging in terms of evangelism. Nobody wins, in other words.
What is the alternative? There are limits on what can be said in public in Australia, and, I assume, in other countries. If a player transgresses the law let the law sanction him.
Otherwise, if you don't like what he said, ignore it. Or rebut it. But don't let it make you unhappy, because that is an acknowledgement that his words carry weight. They don't. They are just words. Nonsenical words at that.
Its not about whether hell exists or not though, is it?Enzedder wrote:Well, I didn't find what he said offensive - there is no such thing or place as hell (unless you count Christchurch) or heaven.
I pity him instead that he feels the need to believe such tripe in the modern age.
well, that's not a very liberal view....Taranaki Snapper wrote:Fred is yesterday's Homophobe, Kevin Andrews is on the cutting edge of "Gay Conversion Therapy"...
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Agreed. Why make a scene about it?wamberal99 wrote:As much as I abhor the vicious nonsense that Izzy tweeted, I have to say that he does have a right to say what he believes, as misguided, and damaging it might be. And it is damaging not only to LGBTI people and their loved ones: it is also damaging in terms of evangelism. Nobody wins, in other words.
What is the alternative? There are limits on what can be said in public in Australia, and, I assume, in other countries. If a player transgresses the law let the law sanction him.
Otherwise, if you don't like what he said, ignore it. Or rebut it. But don't let it make you unhappy, because that is an acknowledgement that his words carry weight. They don't. They are just words. Nonsenical words at that.
It's his choice.Enzedder wrote:Well, I didn't find what he said offensive - there is no such thing or place as hell (unless you count Christchurch) or heaven.
I pity him instead that he feels the need to believe such tripe in the modern age.
Yep. And if he had said that rather than all gays are going to HELL, he wouldn't be I'm this mess.BlueThunder wrote:Aren't we all sinners according to the Bible? Don't we all need to repent for our sins and turn to god in order to avoid hell?
I doubt anyone chooses to believe such shite. More likely he's a product of early indoctrination into a church then some circumstances have caused him to full-on drink the Kool-Aid. What was his choice though was to share his poison publicly, and thereby undermine and embarrass his employer. That's correctly not a choice that comes without consequences - any of us in a senior or public roles posting offensive shite would expect it to be an employment issue - that's a large part of why we're all on here pseudonymously, and why it's a red card to out any other posters.handyman wrote:It's his choice.Enzedder wrote:Well, I didn't find what he said offensive - there is no such thing or place as hell (unless you count Christchurch) or heaven.
I pity him instead that he feels the need to believe such tripe in the modern age.
Now that's a very positive development. Building ABs / Wobblies spite ahead of the RC.
Damn you, I just saw this story and had this whole "Weber subbed-off for NZ's 2nd-best halfback"-bit worked up...
Bobcock wrote:Fuss over nothing.
Folau is ignorant and so are millions and millions of others. Just ignore them. Who gives a fudge what he thinks. This modern soft easily offended society kinda gets on my tits.
In his defense, his dialog isn’t constant, he’s been baited and his response comes from his religious beliefs, that millions on this earth blindly follow.
The fact that millions and millions of modern day people believe in middle aged Mumbo Jumbo is a far bigger stain on the human condition that one of those people being baited into airing their views.
How exactly is saying he has been told gay people go to hell slagging people off?deadduck wrote:TJ's comments showed an eloquence that I hadn't expected to be honest.
As far as freedom of speech goes, it isn't absolute it just means there are limits to what you can be prosecuted for.
I wouldn't expect anyone to get away with publicly slagging off their employer for example without some kind of disciplinary action following, and bringing damage to their employer's reputation by making public statements that are in direct conflict with the employer's policies is another thing that I would expect people would be sanctioned for. Folau may well have a right to say what he did but he should also accept that their are consequences for that and the best thing would be for him to leave these statements in his private life.
No that's just an example of something that if a regular person did it, they would probably get a written warning from their employer or even firedDark wrote:How exactly is saying he has been told gay people go to hell slagging people off?deadduck wrote:TJ's comments showed an eloquence that I hadn't expected to be honest.
As far as freedom of speech goes, it isn't absolute it just means there are limits to what you can be prosecuted for.
I wouldn't expect anyone to get away with publicly slagging off their employer for example without some kind of disciplinary action following, and bringing damage to their employer's reputation by making public statements that are in direct conflict with the employer's policies is another thing that I would expect people would be sanctioned for. Folau may well have a right to say what he did but he should also accept that their are consequences for that and the best thing would be for him to leave these statements in his private life.
Especially if an express part of that person's role was to publicly represent his employer, and a specific focus of the employer was engagement with youth, and the employer was specifically engaged in a re-branding around diversity.deadduck wrote:No that's just an example of something that if a regular person did it, they would probably get a written warning from their employer or even firedDark wrote:How exactly is saying he has been told gay people go to hell slagging people off?deadduck wrote:TJ's comments showed an eloquence that I hadn't expected to be honest.
As far as freedom of speech goes, it isn't absolute it just means there are limits to what you can be prosecuted for.
I wouldn't expect anyone to get away with publicly slagging off their employer for example without some kind of disciplinary action following, and bringing damage to their employer's reputation by making public statements that are in direct conflict with the employer's policies is another thing that I would expect people would be sanctioned for. Folau may well have a right to say what he did but he should also accept that their are consequences for that and the best thing would be for him to leave these statements in his private life.
Yep.guy smiley wrote:deadduck wrote:TJ's comments showed an eloquence that I hadn't expected to be honest.
We have a history of our players struggling to not only offer an opinion, but do so eloquently. TJ is very good in front of the mic. He really impressed when he finished an after match captain interview with an unprompted touching tribute to C Leliafano who was playing his first game back after his treatment. So many of our other captains wouldn't have done the same.deadduck wrote:TJ's comments showed an eloquence that I hadn't expected to be honest.
I don’t follow him on twitter, is he normally this "eloquent"?deadduck wrote:TJ's comments showed an eloquence that I hadn't expected to be honest.
mr bungle wrote:We have a history of our players struggling to not only offer an opinion, but do so eloquently. TJ is very good in front of the mic. He really impressed when he finished an after match captain interview with an unprompted touching tribute to C Leliafano who was playing his first game back after his treatment. So many of our other captains wouldn't have done the same.deadduck wrote:TJ's comments showed an eloquence that I hadn't expected to be honest.
