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Sards wrote:This thread is under construction....please be patient...we are waiting for the Sharks to be kak and the Stormers to be awesome before we continue......thanking you in advance....Saffer13

Chilli wrote:

Sards wrote:This thread is under construction....please be patient...we are waiting for the Sharks to be kak and the Stormers to be awesome before we continue......thanking you in advance....Saffer13

I fvcking knew he was one of your multi's

Sards wrote:

Chilli wrote:

Sards wrote:This thread is under construction....please be patient...we are waiting for the Sharks to be kak and the Stormers to be awesome before we continue......thanking you in advance....Saffer13

I fvcking knew he was one of your multi's

Sards wrote:Lets not confuse the bok barometer TOTW thread with Yankees Springbok selection thread..

There are still a lot of rounds remaining for players to find form and make the Springbok squad.

What we can do at the moment is pencil in guaranteed starters. Injuries may change things.


1.
2. Malcolm Marx
3.
4. Eben Etsebeth
5.
6. Siya Kolisi
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.

Sards wrote:L

1.Thomas du Toit
2. Thomas's boet
3.Thomas du Toit
4. Ruan Botha
5. Ruann Botha
6. Andre Esterhuizen
7. Andre Esterhuizen's more racist boet
8. Andre Esterhuizen's dad
9. Ruan Botha's midget cousin
10. Pat Lambie
11. Andre Esterhuizen's mom
12. The REAL Andre Esterhuizen
13. Thomas du Toit post herbex diet
14. Stefan Tereblanche
15. Dont need a fullback, AE will score 10 tries by himself

handyman wrote:

Sards wrote:Lets not confuse the bok barometer TOTW thread with Yankees Springbok selection thread..

There are still a lot of rounds remaining for players to find form and make the Springbok squad.

What we can do at the moment is pencil in guaranteed starters. Injuries may change things.


1.
2. Malcolm Marx
3.
4. Eben Etsebeth
5.
6. Siya Kolisi
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.

We're kak enough with 15 players boet...

Sards wrote:If we go to position1

Beast Mtawarira, Dylan Smith, Jacques van Rooyen , Kitsoff , Pierre Schoeman

Thats a serious amount of talent......

In pecking order according to me

a.Beast
b.Kitsoff
c.Pierre Schoeman
d.Dylan Smith

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:If we go to position1

Beast Mtawarira, Dylan Smith, Jacques van Rooyen , Kitsoff , Pierre Schoeman

Thats a serious amount of talent......

In pecking order according to me

a.Beast
b.Kitsoff
c.Pierre Schoeman
d.Dylan Smith

Pierre Schoeman is off to Scotland as a project player

Sards wrote:If we go to position1

Beast Mtawarira, Dylan Smith, Jacques van Rooyen , Kitsoff , Pierre Schoeman

Thats a serious amount of talent......

In pecking order according to me

a.Beast
b.Kitsoff
c.Pierre Schoeman
d.Dylan Smith

Sards wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:If we go to position1

Beast Mtawarira, Dylan Smith, Jacques van Rooyen , Kitsoff , Pierre Schoeman

Thats a serious amount of talent......

In pecking order according to me

a.Beast
b.Kitsoff
c.Pierre Schoeman
d.Dylan Smith

Pierre Schoeman is off to Scotland as a project player

What a huge loss.....he has been fantastic.

Well that pulls Dylan in closer then.

handyman wrote:

Sards wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:If we go to position1

Beast Mtawarira, Dylan Smith, Jacques van Rooyen , Kitsoff , Pierre Schoeman

Thats a serious amount of talent......

In pecking order according to me

a.Beast
b.Kitsoff
c.Pierre Schoeman
d.Dylan Smith

Pierre Schoeman is off to Scotland as a project player

What a huge loss.....he has been fantastic.

Well that pulls Dylan in closer then.

What about Jacques van Rooyen?

Sards wrote:

handyman wrote:

Sards wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:If we go to position1

Beast Mtawarira, Dylan Smith, Jacques van Rooyen , Kitsoff , Pierre Schoeman

Thats a serious amount of talent......

In pecking order according to me

a.Beast
b.Kitsoff
c.Pierre Schoeman
d.Dylan Smith

Pierre Schoeman is off to Scotland as a project player

What a huge loss.....he has been fantastic.

Well that pulls Dylan in closer then.

What about Jacques van Rooyen?

I am no expert.

handyman wrote: You got that right... Jacques van Rooyen should be in the mix, great player.

Sards wrote:

handyman wrote: You got that right... Jacques van Rooyen should be in the mix, great player.

Ahead of Dylan....?

Just give your preffered mix handy

Big Nipper wrote:

Sards wrote:L

1.Thomas du Toit
2. Thomas's boet
3.Thomas du Toit
4. Ruan Botha
5. Ruann Botha
6. Andre Esterhuizen
7. Andre Esterhuizen's more racist boet
8. Andre Esterhuizen's dad
9. Ruan Botha's midget cousin
10. Pat Lambie
11. Andre Esterhuizen's mom
12. The REAL Andre Esterhuizen
13. Thomas du Toit post herbex diet
14. Stefan Tereblanche
15. Dont need a fullback, AE will score 10 tries by himself

Sards wrote:

handyman wrote: You got that right... Jacques van Rooyen should be in the mix, great player.

Ahead of Dylan....?

Just give your preffered mix handy

handyman wrote:

Sards wrote:

handyman wrote: You got that right... Jacques van Rooyen should be in the mix, great player.

Ahead of Dylan....?

Just give your preffered mix handy

1/2 Kitsie and Beast
3 Jacques van Rooyen

Beaver_Shark wrote:

handyman wrote:

Sards wrote:

handyman wrote: You got that right... Jacques van Rooyen should be in the mix, great player.

Ahead of Dylan....?

Just give your preffered mix handy

1/2 Kitsie and Beast
3 Jacques van Rooyen

What about Wilco Louw at TH?

beachboy wrote:Pierre Schoeman is a good player but one great game does not make him a Springbok. He needs to perform for the Bulls on tour etc etc. Rooikop is way better at the moment (and experienced). I like the fact that Pierre is going overseas - he will come back a better prop with more savvy.

Beaver_Shark wrote:

beachboy wrote:Pierre Schoeman is a good player but one great game does not make him a Springbok. He needs to perform for the Bulls on tour etc etc. Rooikop is way better at the moment (and experienced). I like the fact that Pierre is going overseas - he will come back a better prop with more savvy.

Reports are that he's looking to qualify for Scotland.

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/super- ... r_Scotland


Now, World Rugby recently raised the residency period from 3 to 5 years. So Schoeman is only likely to play for Scotland in 2023. Whereas he could have fought Kitshoff for the jersey in the next 2 years (Beast is probably in his last season as an international).

Mind you, he played SA U/20 in 2014 when it was our designated "A" side. So he might actually be already tied to SA.

Sards wrote:I reckon number 1 speaks for itself and most are agreed.

Back up for Malcolm Marx.....this is going to be a tough one.....

Chilliboy for me.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Sards wrote:I reckon number 1 speaks for itself and most are agreed.

Back up for Malcolm Marx.....this is going to be a tough one.....

Chilliboy for me.

Bismarck. What a day to see his face when called up ...

Sards wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Sards wrote:I reckon number 1 speaks for itself and most are agreed.

Back up for Malcolm Marx.....this is going to be a tough one.....

Chilliboy for me.

Bismarck. What a day to see his face when called up ...

I wish.....he is my alltime favourite player.....I am sure that if Dan Carter ever gets to lineup ooposite him his poephol will start quivering

handyman wrote:

Sards wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Sards wrote:I reckon number 1 speaks for itself and most are agreed.

Back up for Malcolm Marx.....this is going to be a tough one.....

Chilliboy for me.

Bismarck. What a day to see his face when called up ...

I wish.....he is my alltime favourite player.....I am sure that if Dan Carter ever gets to lineup ooposite him his poephol will start quivering

Marx and Bismarck, the opposition would absolutely sh1t themselves!

What remains to be seen is just how much Rassie Erasmus, the new Springbok mastermind, will strip down the team favoured by predecessor Allister Coetzee at the back end of his troubled two-year tenure.
There have already been strong hints that he will introduce a few new faces - inevitable as these come to light during a fresh Super Rugby season, for example - and possibly re-empower certain stalwarts overlooked by Coetzee.
He is also highly likely to seek a greater representation from abroad (SARU seems willing to bend their 30-caps rule for overseas-based players), and again these may include some Boks either overlooked completely or used to a spartan extent by “Toetie”.
For at least some indication of how much the Bok team may change for the June Tests against Wales (once-off, Washington DC) and then a series against England (home), it is worth reminding of the final match-day 23 selected by Coetzee.
That was for the 2017 season-ender against a severely under-strength Wales in Cardiff on December 2, a game the Boks lost 24-22 to only confirm their general suffering at the time.
It is worth mentioning that some high-profile players missed that Euro tour through injury or unavailability, including Jean-Luc Du Preez, Warren Whiteley, Jaco Kriel, Frans Malherbe, Jan Serfontein and Ruan Combrinck.
Here are the starting players deployed at the Principality Stadium then, and our speculation on where they may stand under the “Rassie regime” in 2018:

15 Andries Coetzee

Probably only a dark horse for the Erasmus nod after too many innocuous Tests last year, although he was excellent in the Lions’ thumping of the Stormers last Saturday. All of Curwin Bosch, Warrick Gelant and overseas-based Frans Steyn and Pat Lambie may be ahead of him in the fullback plans of the new coach. Psst, wunderkind Damian Willemse a thought at fifteen, too?

14 Dillyn Leyds

Falling off the radar fast, it seems? The utility back-three man was overlooked for a Bok “camp” list issued by Erasmus recently, and hasn’t shown much of his attacking X-factor for the Stormers. The new coach may seek for a more muscular hallmark among his wings, too.

13 Jesse Kriel

A resurgent, more slippery and cerebral character this year, clearly benefitting from the new dimensions brought to the Bulls’ Super Rugby campaign under John Mitchell. There will be challengers, but expect Kriel to be thereabouts, at very least.

12 Francois Venter

Has played a murderous amount of rugby over the past year or more, and that hardly helps any Bok aspirations for June. The inside-centre berth will also be sought by the likes of Frans Steyn, Damian de Allende, Serfontein and Andre Esterhuizen.

11 Warrick Gelant

The exciting Bulls runner made his first start for the Boks against the Welsh … but at wing rather than preferred fullback. It is possible Erasmus will still consider him versatile, though a return to No 15 seems likelier. There are other, more specialist “gas men” to consider out wide.

10 Handre Pollard

Playing with enough assuredness for the Bulls to be considered, arguably, still front-runner for No 10 by South Africa. That said, he faces strong rival claims from Elton Jantjies, Robert du Preez and perhaps Lambie.

9 Ross Cronje

Expected to return to fitness on the looming Lions tour of Australasia. But he could also be a casualty of an Erasmus bag-shake at No 9, even if the various alternative options aren’t exactly Joost van der Westhuizen-like for proven Test quality …

8 Dan du Preez

Hampered by a shoulder injury in recent months, though the sturdy 22-year-old is just back and potentially still a candidate as Bok eighth-man this year. Nevertheless, much will depend on whether Erasmus wants Whiteley as his captain … and his thoughts on a certain, gnarly Duane Vermeulen.

7 Pieter-Steph du Toit

There’s an appealing battle looming for the Bok blind-side job, with at least two real powerhouses among the contenders … sometimes lock Du Toit and the Sharks’ in-form Jean-Luc du Preez. Du Toit was like a man possessed for the Stormers in a losing cause at Ellis Park last Saturday, as if to indicate that he’d really quite like to keep the SA No 7 jersey if the second row isn’t immediately an option, thank you …

6 Siya Kolisi

A (self-acknowledged) below-standard spell by franchise skipper Kolisi on the Stormers’ open side means the door may just be creaking open a tad for rival contenders. Still, there’s no Jaco Kriel to turn up real heat on him, regrettably, and Kolisi still has a few weeks to come good again.

5 Lood de Jager

A yeoman factor for the Bulls in 2018, carrying and tackling diligently and consistently, and looking a force at lineout time, into the bargain. At this point, seems a near shoe-in to keep the Bok No 5 shirt.

4 Eben Etzebeth

The big enforcer is in a race against time to be fit for the first part of the 2018 Test season, considering his inactivity throughout Super Rugby so far as he rehabs from a shoulder injury. But if he is back playing even a small dose of Super Rugby before the June obligations, expect him also to march straight back into his SA enforcer role.

3 Wilco Louw

Talk of Erasmus wooing back Saracens’ Vincent Koch into the Test picture should go a long way to keeping emerging tighthead prospect Louw right on his toes. I still fancy that the incumbent, 23, will remain the go-to guy as scrum anchor.

2 Malcolm Marx

Simply “no contest” for first-choice hooker. If Marx stays fit, he starts. It will be interesting to see whether Erasmus presses veteran Bismarck du Plessis back into service as back-up. After all, you lose very little in grunt.

1 Steven Kitshoff

Another Stormers pack member who has just slid a little off best known levels recently, though perhaps there’s been some over-use to consider. Still, Kitshoff is almost certain to remain among the top two Bok looseheads, with yeoman-serving Tendai Mtawarira (only two caps shy of his 100, remember).

* The forward substitutes that day in Cardiff included Bongi Mbonambi (absent for the Stormers for several weeks recently due to appendix problems), Trevor Nyakane (still a versatile prop candidate), Ruan Dreyer (slipping a bit in the tighthead pecking order?) and loosies Oupa Mohoje and Uzair Cassiem, both of whom may pay a price for being PRO14 rather than Super Rugby-visible of late.

Coetzee’s backline replacements in Cardiff were scrumhalf Louis Schreuder (playing decent rugby for the Sharks at times), Elton Jantjies (similarly in much more assertive form for the Lions again) and Lukhanyo Am (likely to fairly front-of-mind by Erasmus for the Bok No 13 jersey).

Fangle wrote:Should be renamed 'Sards Bok Team".

Rassie Erasmus is being equipped with all the desired tools to execute a quick turnaround plan for the Boks, but this also has to engender a culture of no excuses during the 2018 season.

Erasmus has been involved in the South African rugby system long enough to know that the honeymoon period he has enjoyed since returning home will effectively come to an end in June.

It’s then that public sentiment will begin to be shaped solely by the Boks’ on-field performances and results, with the season kicking off with a one-off Test against Wales on 2 June, before a three-Test series against England gets underway.

Big Nipper wrote:Rassie and Jaco Peyper will be guests in our Losie for tonight's game, any questions I should ask?

Big Nipper wrote:Rassie and Jaco Peyper will be guests in our Losie for tonight's game, any questions I should ask?