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assfly wrote:Kolisi was first guard. No excusing that at all.

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assfly wrote:

Chilli wrote:The Stomps hate is buzzing hard

The squad is divided. It's Duane vs Kolisi. I'm pretty sure I saw them punching each other at half time, but didn't want to say anything.

assfly wrote:Kolisi was first guard. No excusing that at all.

In other news....

Cape Town - Springbok lock RG Snyman is making a name for himself in a hurry.

He was immense in his Test debut on Saturday as the Boks overturned a 24-3 deficit to beat England 42-39 at Ellis Park, and it hasn't taken long for critics to start comparing him to former Bok legend Victor Matfield.

Snyman's lineout steal in the dying stages of the match came at a time when England were seeking a winning try, while he also set up fellow-debutant Aphiwe Dyantyi for a try.

"It's a big honour and a privilege to play for the Springboks. It's something you dream about growing up. Running out at Ellis Park is a special moment, seeing all those people there to support you. It was a nice match to play," Snyman said on Tuesday.

The 23-year-old credited Duane Vermeulen for calming the team down with a talk under the posts when the Boks had slipped to 24-3.

"The first 20 minutes, I felt like it was never going to end," he said of his debut.

"Playing with guys that have walked the road in a Bok jersey before and have a lot of experience was nice, especially being down after 20 minutes and Duane just having a chat to us.

"You can see that maybe he's been in a situation like that before and he instilled a bit of calmness into the guys."

Snyman has been in superb form for the Bulls in 2018 and he said he was thriving under the mentorship of John Mitchell.

"Mitch doesn't really put a lot of pressure on us," said Snyman.

"He just wants us to have fun on the field and he understands what makes every player good. He just tries to focus on that and I think that's the difference."

Sards is on to something here lads.

assfly wrote:

Chilli wrote:The Stomps hate is buzzing hard

The squad is divided. It's Duane vs Kolisi. I'm pretty sure I saw them punching each other at half time, but didn't want to say anything.

beachboy wrote:

TheSmurf wrote:

beachboy wrote:

TheSmurf wrote:I agree that Notshe looked out of his depth yesterday and last week. I like him at the Stormers, looks like he can be an explosive quick supersub-type guy at the Boks but isn't actually doing that. If it was him I saw there, he looked pretty slow tracking back when May scored.

I'm not comparing him to May! I'm saying he (Notshe) just looked slow. Or he wasn't trying hard (even worse).

Rassie really did make fantastic picks here (outside of Notshe so far) imo.

de Allende was okay to good but I think Esterhuizen would bring more to the team. But considering the number of fresh low-cap guys in the back line, I understand de Allende being there.

Very happy for Mbonambi. Seems like a 100% effort guy 100% of the time. And maybe someone who will go even harder if a coach backs him?

Eish. Have you ever played the game. You expect a flank covering(backtracking nogal) at an angle to catch a wing who is running a straight line in the direction he was initially facing. May would have to be the slowest wing around. That is nitpicking. He tried and saw he was not close enough to tackle.

I think Esterhuizen is a great player and he will get his chance. Maybe needs to work on his distribution but otherwise his other skills are top class. I would not replace DDA with him at this stage.

Try again.
One might assume he would still be tracking back as fast as possible since, you know, he was close to the ball carrier and also assume Jantjies would at least slow May (HAHAHAHAHA) to allow him (Notshe) the chance to make a tackle or involve himself in the next ruck etc.

So basically, either he's slow or didn't try hard enough. Like I said.
(or he absolutely knew Jantjies would be as effective as he was )

Go look at the video clip below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0R1adC0IDI

At 4.11 - you will see Notshe covers the inside centre channel first - then passes a number of SA defenders to get out and cover the wide channel - maybe he could have dived for an ankle tap but look at Duane who was much closer and a lot slower and our number 14 who effected no tackle - but no Notsche is the slow one who did not defend and the only one to be critisised. Notsche did very well to cover the ground he did.

Same at 3.40 Kolisi gets blamed for poor defence at the ruck but he had a blocker in front of him initially and Thomas the Tank also reacted slowly. What more Kolisi could have done I dont know but as usual he gets a finger pointed at him.

Not having a go at you in particular but there is a trend to pick out certain players among SA fans.

TheSmurf wrote:

beachboy wrote:

TheSmurf wrote:

beachboy wrote:

TheSmurf wrote:I agree that Notshe looked out of his depth yesterday and last week. I like him at the Stormers, looks like he can be an explosive quick supersub-type guy at the Boks but isn't actually doing that. If it was him I saw there, he looked pretty slow tracking back when May scored.

I'm not comparing him to May! I'm saying he (Notshe) just looked slow. Or he wasn't trying hard (even worse).

Rassie really did make fantastic picks here (outside of Notshe so far) imo.

de Allende was okay to good but I think Esterhuizen would bring more to the team. But considering the number of fresh low-cap guys in the back line, I understand de Allende being there.

Very happy for Mbonambi. Seems like a 100% effort guy 100% of the time. And maybe someone who will go even harder if a coach backs him?

Eish. Have you ever played the game. You expect a flank covering(backtracking nogal) at an angle to catch a wing who is running a straight line in the direction he was initially facing. May would have to be the slowest wing around. That is nitpicking. He tried and saw he was not close enough to tackle.

I think Esterhuizen is a great player and he will get his chance. Maybe needs to work on his distribution but otherwise his other skills are top class. I would not replace DDA with him at this stage.

Try again.
One might assume he would still be tracking back as fast as possible since, you know, he was close to the ball carrier and also assume Jantjies would at least slow May (HAHAHAHAHA) to allow him (Notshe) the chance to make a tackle or involve himself in the next ruck etc.

So basically, either he's slow or didn't try hard enough. Like I said.
(or he absolutely knew Jantjies would be as effective as he was )

Go look at the video clip below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0R1adC0IDI

At 4.11 - you will see Notshe covers the inside centre channel first - then passes a number of SA defenders to get out and cover the wide channel - maybe he could have dived for an ankle tap but look at Duane who was much closer and a lot slower and our number 14 who effected no tackle - but no Notsche is the slow one who did not defend and the only one to be critisised. Notsche did very well to cover the ground he did.

Same at 3.40 Kolisi gets blamed for poor defence at the ruck but he had a blocker in front of him initially and Thomas the Tank also reacted slowly. What more Kolisi could have done I dont know but as usual he gets a finger pointed at him.

Not having a go at you in particular but there is a trend to pick out certain players among SA fans.

Thanks for the clip and you're 100% correct re Notshe; maybe an ankle tap attempt but not sure what I saw the first time

Sards wrote:All that effort to freeze frames and screenshot and upload and no response.

I am gutted

beachboy wrote:

TheSmurf wrote:

beachboy wrote:Not having a go at you in particular but there is a trend to pick out certain players among SA fans.

Thanks for the clip and you're 100% correct re Notshe; maybe an ankle tap attempt but not sure what I saw the first time

I did overact a little I have been watching Notsche play since he was 14 so I am a little defensive- your comment is appreciated . You are obviously not a Sharks supporter

assfly wrote:

Chilli wrote:The Stomps hate is buzzing hard

The squad is divided. It's Duane vs Kolisi. I'm pretty sure I saw them punching each other at half time, but didn't want to say anything.

Sards wrote:

assfly wrote:Kolisi was first guard. No excusing that at all.

In other news....

Cape Town - Springbok lock RG Snyman is making a name for himself in a hurry.

He was immense in his Test debut on Saturday as the Boks overturned a 24-3 deficit to beat England 42-39 at Ellis Park, and it hasn't taken long for critics to start comparing him to former Bok legend Victor Matfield.

Snyman's lineout steal in the dying stages of the match came at a time when England were seeking a winning try, while he also set up fellow-debutant Aphiwe Dyantyi for a try.

"It's a big honour and a privilege to play for the Springboks. It's something you dream about growing up. Running out at Ellis Park is a special moment, seeing all those people there to support you. It was a nice match to play," Snyman said on Tuesday.

The 23-year-old credited Duane Vermeulen for calming the team down with a talk under the posts when the Boks had slipped to 24-3.

"The first 20 minutes, I felt like it was never going to end," he said of his debut.

"Playing with guys that have walked the road in a Bok jersey before and have a lot of experience was nice, especially being down after 20 minutes and Duane just having a chat to us.

"You can see that maybe he's been in a situation like that before and he instilled a bit of calmness into the guys."

Snyman has been in superb form for the Bulls in 2018 and he said he was thriving under the mentorship of John Mitchell.

"Mitch doesn't really put a lot of pressure on us," said Snyman.

"He just wants us to have fun on the field and he understands what makes every player good. He just tries to focus on that and I think that's the difference."

Sards is on to something here lads.

Thats all I wanted to know....All I have been reading in the press is how Kolisi calmy turned the guys around after the first 20 . And all his high ratings were as a result of the way he handled the guys after the first 20.......But I did not see it...after looking and looking and looking. It was always Duane for me......so how can Kolisi be taking the credit for it is beyond me.....tbf in his statement he said " me and the senior guys......'

Thats the equilivent of your employee fixing up a fu ck and the employer taking all the credit.

I realise how important he is to South African rugby in the context of going forward .......just be honest is all.....the press , the players and himself. Well done to RG for telling it like it is.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Saffer- as long as the ANC, whoever) insist on having race based quotas, the affected players will be called quotas. Regardless of their merit. Like Habana and Beast and JPP also were counted as quotas. And as long as we accept the quota system, they will hammer us (supporters) with it - associated guilt.

As soon as the real racists stop their shit, stop insisting on quotas, the division will stop and players will be seen for what they are - players.

ATM the captaincy of Kolisi makes for many reverse racist statements, from many many people. Expect Malema to join in, shortly ...

saffer13 wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Saffer- as long as the ANC, whoever) insist on having race based quotas, the affected players will be called quotas. Regardless of their merit. Like Habana and Beast and JPP also were counted as quotas. And as long as we accept the quota system, they will hammer us (supporters) with it - associated guilt.

As soon as the real racists stop their shit, stop insisting on quotas, the division will stop and players will be seen for what they are - players.

ATM the captaincy of Kolisi makes for many reverse racist statements, from many many people. Expect Malema to join in, shortly ...

I'm fully aware of where the problem starts. The reality is that it's the players who unfortunately deal with the fallout of that. I agree 100% with Habana, in that black players have to perform at a much higher level and more consistently to avoid being called a quota.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Saffer- as long as the ANC, whoever) insist on having race based quotas, the affected players will be called quotas. Regardless of their merit. Like Habana and Beast and JPP also were counted as quotas. And as long as we accept the quota system, they will hammer us (supporters) with it - associated guilt.

As soon as the real racists stop their shit, stop insisting on quotas, the division will stop and players will be seen for what they are - players.

ATM the captaincy of Kolisi makes for many reverse racist statements, from many many people. Expect Malema to join in, shortly ...

I'm fully aware of where the problem starts. The reality is that it's the players who unfortunately deal with the fallout of that. I agree 100% with Habana, in that black players have to perform at a much higher level and more consistently to avoid being called a quota.

Quotas are quotas. Stop the naming and the senselessness of it and sanity will prevail. Until then ... ouch.

saffer13 wrote:Sad things is some of you (and yes, I'm including you in the troll group now with Sard/Ox/englishchief) actually believe that now. Is Beaver really the only decent sharks poster left? Sad days.

assfly wrote:

saffer13 wrote:Sad things is some of you (and yes, I'm including you in the troll group now with Sard/Ox/englishchief) actually believe that now. Is Beaver really the only decent sharks poster left? Sad days.

Oh ffs lighten up, I'm only kidding.

saffer13 wrote: Yes and no. While I agree the naming of it from the ANC, etc. causes and quite frankly it's not needed due to the quality of the players, the other part is that there is a large group of individuals who also latch onto and use that tag for any black player they feel don't perform week in and week out. It's insulting and the ANC doesn't feel the brunt of it, it's the players. If those same people would give the same credit/grace to the black players as they do the white players it would also go a long way.

TheSmurf wrote:He's possibly said more after, but the only comments I heard from Kolisi was the post match presentation where he said words to the effect of, he didn't need to say anything to calm the guys down because they did it themselves...

saffer13 wrote:Finally. It took a while to get a good reaction from you

Chilli wrote:Welcome back WT.

Sards wrote:I am just dissapointed that Kolisi has been taking credit for the turnaround when the architect was Duane.

That is very poor form. You cannot expect respect when you manipulate the truth.

This is my take on the events after giving it some thought.

What should really happen is that Duane should step aside this weekend and let Kolisi manage it on his own.

Debutant wingers Aphiwe Dyantyi and S’bu Nkosi have hailed the calming influence of the senior players when the Boks fell 24-3 behind against England in Saturday’s series-opening Test

‘It was a first 20 minutes to forget from a team perspective, but we regrouped well, and I think the senior guys really helped a lot in terms of helping us regain composure and to keep our spirits up,’ said Dyantyi.

Nkosi explained how the youngsters in the team had been reassured by the composure of the older players, and particularly captain Siya Kolisi.

‘I wasn’t all that nervous in the beginning, but obviously, the team didn’t start on the front foot. However, the more experienced guys did well to bring us into a circle and just told us to calm down and that this sort of thing can happen in Test rugby. So the few little nerves I did have were diminished very quickly.

‘Siya really is a great leader, and he brought out a lot of confidence in the debutants, and that’s why I think we were able to perform as we did.’

Kolisi himself admitted to a few anxious moments as England powered into a commanding early lead.

‘It was quite tough to start off the game like that, and I was pretty nervous. Luckily I had guys alongside me like Duane [Vermeulen], who has been in situations like that before, and Willie [le Roux] and Handré [Pollard] too. We all took charge and just told the guys to calm down because we knew what we were capable of.

Rassie Erasmus says Siya Kolisi and the Springbok leadership group made a statement in the big comeback win against England on Saturday

Erasmus admitted that the players – more specifically leaders such as new skipper Kolisi and senior statesman Duane Vermeulen – were responsible for initiating the turnaround

Tactically, I got it wrong and that surprised the team.

‘Credit to guys like Siya, who realised that and made the change in tactics. We started getting width on our defence and started attacking a lot more.

Sards wrote:I am just dissapointed that Kolisi has been taking credit for the turnaround when the architect was Duane.

That is very poor form. You cannot expect respect when you manipulate the truth.

This is my take on the events after giving it some thought.

What should really happen is that Duane should step aside this weekend and let Kolisi manage it on his own.

Sards wrote:I am just dissapointed that Kolisi has been taking credit for the turnaround when the architect was Duane.

That is very poor form. You cannot expect respect when you manipulate the truth.

This is my take on the events after giving it some thought.

What should really happen is that Duane should step aside this weekend and let Kolisi manage it on his own.

Masterji wrote:

Sards wrote:I am just dissapointed that Kolisi has been taking credit for the turnaround when the architect was Duane.

That is very poor form. You cannot expect respect when you manipulate the truth.

This is my take on the events after giving it some thought.

What should really happen is that Duane should step aside this weekend and let Kolisi manage it on his own.

And had they lost the black man would have taken the vitriol and if they win, the white guy takes the credit. So in your world the black man cant do anything right.

saffer13 wrote:

Masterji wrote:

Sards wrote:I am just dissapointed that Kolisi has been taking credit for the turnaround when the architect was Duane.

That is very poor form. You cannot expect respect when you manipulate the truth.

This is my take on the events after giving it some thought.

What should really happen is that Duane should step aside this weekend and let Kolisi manage it on his own.

And had they lost the black man would have taken the vitriol and if they win, the white guy takes the credit. So in your world the black man cant do anything right.

All you need to do is check on the SA Rugby magazine page on FB and see the types of comments comments. Sad really.

assfly wrote:The only solution to this captaincy issue is a bare-knuckle fight between Kolisi and the usurper.

handyman wrote:Sards is frothing at the mouth. Keep calm boet.

handyman wrote:Sards is frothing at the mouth. Keep calm boet.

Sards wrote:

assfly wrote:The only solution to this captaincy issue is a bare-knuckle fight between Kolisi and the usurper.

Nah. It's important going forward that Kolisi is the bok captain.
I just think that the lads should let him make the calls and take the leadership role. I was among the first to advocate his leadership at the boks.

I am not sold on this " he needs the experience of the older guys " bit. Let him lead so there is no confusion regarding who the captain is. He is a seasoned campaigner. And you know the saying. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

And the press need to wind their necks in. Over valuing a player and misleading the public will lead to resentment and disenchantment . Let his actions speak for themselves.

If there are players not buying into it they must step back and withdraw from the boks.

Chilli wrote:

handyman wrote:Sards is frothing at the mouth. Keep calm boet.

The inter provincial hatred never ends.