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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:07 pm 
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When on form I would pick Kolisi or at least have him on the bench, but right now his form is crap.

Sure but as mentioned, who has really put their hand up to replace him? I also don't quite agree with the "his form is crap" comment but the team in general is playing kak rugby. I blame Fleck.



Uhm, have you heard of a player called Roelof Smit?

Yank, Kolisi is playing crap in a team that is playing crap. Whereas JLDP is playing well in a team thst is playing crap.

Smit has had a good season. Enough to be called up? I would be fine with him getting selected.

Smit has been ok. Not sure if he is Bok material. Willing to give him a shot tho.

Agreed. Even at the Bulls it's not as if he's been a "first name on the team sheet" type of player. Or am I wrong here...has he started every game when available?


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Paul Schoeman is the right answer.


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Top SA Pilferers in SR 2018:
#1 Malcolm Marx 16 (11 forced penalties)
#2 Roelof Smit 10 (5 forced penalties)
#3 Kwagga Smith 8 (3 forced penalties)
#3 Marco van Staden 8 (5 forced penalties)
#6 Ramone Samuels 7 (2 forced penalties)


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Top SA Pilferers in SR 2018:
#1 Malcolm Marx 16 (11 forced penalties)
#2 Roelof Smit 10 (5 forced penalties)
#3 Kwagga Smith 8 (3 forced penalties)
#3 Marco van Staden 8 (5 forced penalties)
#6 Ramone Samuels 7 (2 forced penalties)

Go wash your statsmouth out immediately.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:10 pm 
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Cape Town - Bad news just got worse for lock Lood de Jager and Springbok coach Rassie Erasmus.

According to the supersport.com website, De Jager was originally expected to be sidelined for a period of four months having torn a pectoral muscle in the Bulls' recent Super Rugby clash against the Sharks at Loftus Versfeld in Pretoria.

Following rehabilitation, De Jager was due to return to the field for the second half of the Boks' Rugby Championship campaign.

However, a second scan on Wednesday once the swelling had subsided revealedthe tear in his chest wall muscle to be worse than feared.

As a result, the 25-year-old will go under the knife on Thursday and will be out of action for six months, ruling him out of the Boks' end of year tour to Europe, the first match of which will take place on November 2 against England at Twickenham.

The news will no doubt give Erasmus more grey hairs as it follows the confirmation that first-choice hooker Malcolm Marx will also miss the upcoming three-Test series against England in June.

In addition, Erasmus will be without flank Jaco Kriel, while major injury clouds hang over No 8 Warren Whiteley and lock Eben Etzebeth, among others.


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saffer13 wrote:
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Top SA Pilferers in SR 2018:
#1 Malcolm Marx 16 (11 forced penalties)
#2 Roelof Smit 10 (5 forced penalties)
#3 Kwagga Smith 8 (3 forced penalties)
#3 Marco van Staden 8 (5 forced penalties)
#6 Ramone Samuels 7 (2 forced penalties)

Go wash your statsmouth out immediately.


:lol:

His open play game is actually not too bad. Works harder than both Akker and Adriaan :)


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:17 pm 
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Jensrsa wrote:
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Top SA Pilferers in SR 2018:
#1 Malcolm Marx 16 (11 forced penalties)
#2 Roelof Smit 10 (5 forced penalties)
#3 Kwagga Smith 8 (3 forced penalties)
#3 Marco van Staden 8 (5 forced penalties)
#6 Ramone Samuels 7 (2 forced penalties)

Go wash your statsmouth out immediately.


:lol:

His open play game is actually not too bad. Works harder than both Akker and Adriaan :)

Too many stupid mistakes in addition to quite possibly the worst LO thrower in the universe. I nearly threw my remote at him on the TV against the Chiefs for that "clean-out" from the side near the start of the game and then always looks so perplexed at the ref's decision.


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saffer13 wrote:
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Top SA Pilferers in SR 2018:
#1 Malcolm Marx 16 (11 forced penalties)
#2 Roelof Smit 10 (5 forced penalties)
#3 Kwagga Smith 8 (3 forced penalties)
#3 Marco van Staden 8 (5 forced penalties)
#6 Ramone Samuels 7 (2 forced penalties)

Go wash your statsmouth out immediately.


:lol:

His open play game is actually not too bad. Works harder than both Akker and Adriaan :)

Too many stupid mistakes in addition to quite possibly the worst LO thrower in the universe. I nearly threw my remote at him on the TV against the Chiefs for that "clean-out" from the side near the start of the game and then always looks so perplexed at the ref's decision.


Is bit of a penalty machine


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saffer13 wrote:
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Top SA Pilferers in SR 2018:
#1 Malcolm Marx 16 (11 forced penalties)
#2 Roelof Smit 10 (5 forced penalties)
#3 Kwagga Smith 8 (3 forced penalties)
#3 Marco van Staden 8 (5 forced penalties)
#6 Ramone Samuels 7 (2 forced penalties)

Go wash your statsmouth out immediately.


:lol:

His open play game is actually not too bad. Works harder than both Akker and Adriaan :)

Too many stupid mistakes in addition to quite possibly the worst LO thrower in the universe. I nearly threw my remote at him on the TV against the Chiefs for that "clean-out" from the side near the start of the game and then always looks so perplexed at the ref's decision.


It's going to be interesting to see who Rassis goes for at hooker, him being a stats/processes oriented person. Looking at Akker and Adriaan's publicly available stats neither should be near a Bok team. They just don't put in the hard graft


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Top SA Pilferers in SR 2018:
#1 Malcolm Marx 16 (11 forced penalties)
#2 Roelof Smit 10 (5 forced penalties)
#3 Kwagga Smith 8 (3 forced penalties)
#3 Marco van Staden 8 (5 forced penalties)
#6 Ramone Samuels 7 (2 forced penalties)

Go wash your statsmouth out immediately.


:lol:

His open play game is actually not too bad. Works harder than both Akker and Adriaan :)

Pity that he can't fulfill the primary role of a hooker which is finding his jumpers.


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Top SA Pilferers in SR 2018:
#1 Malcolm Marx 16 (11 forced penalties)
#2 Roelof Smit 10 (5 forced penalties)
#3 Kwagga Smith 8 (3 forced penalties)
#3 Marco van Staden 8 (5 forced penalties)
#6 Ramone Samuels 7 (2 forced penalties)

Go wash your statsmouth out immediately.


:lol:

His open play game is actually not too bad. Works harder than both Akker and Adriaan :)

Too many stupid mistakes in addition to quite possibly the worst LO thrower in the universe. I nearly threw my remote at him on the TV against the Chiefs for that "clean-out" from the side near the start of the game and then always looks so perplexed at the ref's decision.


It's going to be interesting to see who Rassis goes for at hooker, him being a stats/processes oriented person. Looking at Akker and Adriaan's publicly available stats neither should be near a Bok team. They just don't put in the hard graft

Please reveal these "stats".
A hooker must first be able to hook in the scrum and throw into the lineout then do the "bonus" stuff. It doesn't help being an average hooker but a great player.


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It's going to be interesting to see who Rassis goes for at hooker, him being a stats/processes oriented person. Looking at Akker and Adriaan's publicly available stats neither should be near a Bok team. They just don't put in the hard graft

Please reveal these "stats".
A hooker must first be able to hook in the scrum and throw into the lineout then do the "bonus" stuff. It doesn't help being an average hooker but a great player.

A hooker's role in the scrums is negligible, apart from being a front rower. Anyway, teams generally play through advantage reducing the importance of the scrums. In the Bulls Sharks game the first scrum as far as I can remember only came in the second half.

Lineouts, as important as they are only take up a fraction on the game. In the Bulls sharks game the Sharks only had 8 lineout throws.

Apart from his occasional spectacular runs busting tackles (20) Akker doesn't turnover ball (3 this season), doesn't tackle much (34 and 7 misses), doesn't carry much (37) and doesn't pick & drive (2)

Hookers stats:
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Ramone Samuels: 853
Malcolm Marx: 677
Adriaan Strauss: 487
Akker van der Merwe: 405
Jaco Visagie: 393
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 275
Robbie Coetzee: 257
Franco Marais: 200

Tries:
Malcolm Marx: 7
Adriaan Strauss: 5
Ramone Samuels: 2
Akker van der Merwe: 2
Robbie Coetzee: 2
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 0
Jaco Visagie: 0
Franco Marais: 0

Runs:
Malcolm Marx: 69
Ramone Samuels: 59
Adriaan Strauss: 39
Akker van der Merwe: 37
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 20
Robbie Coetzee: 19
Jaco Visagie: 19
Franco Marais: 14

Pick & Drives:
Malcolm Marx: 12
Adriaan Strauss: 5
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 4
Robbie Coetzee: 3
Akker van der Merwe: 2
Franco Marais: 2
Ramone Samuels: 0
Jaco Visagie: 0

Tackle Busts:
Malcolm Marx: 24
Akker van der Merwe: 20
Ramone Samuels: 6
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 4
Adriaan Strauss: 2
Jaco Visagie: 2
Franco Marais: 1
Robbie Coetzee: 0

Tackles made:
Ramone Samuels: 99
Malcolm Marx: 78
Jaco Visagie: 47
Robbie Coetzee: 40
Adriaan Strauss: 39
Akker van der Merwe: 34
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 27
Franco Marais: 24

Pilfers:
Malcolm Marx: 5
Ramone Samuels: 5
Robbie Coetzee: 1
Akker van der Merwe: 1
Adriaan Strauss: 1
Franco Marais: 1
Jaco Visagie: 1
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 0

Penalties Forced:
Malcolm Marx: 11
Ramone Samuels: 2
Akker van der Merwe: 2
Franco Marais: 1
Jaco Visagie: 1
Robbie Coetzee: 0
Adriaan Strauss: 0
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 0

Akker and Adriaan talk the talk but don't walk the walk


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Donder Jens, you keep reading those Marx statistics you’re going to need another box of Kleenex. :P


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Donder Jens, you keep reading those Marx statistics you’re going to need another box of Kleenex. :P

:lol:

To give Chilli an "objective" answer I had to include in most of our hookers.

Unfortunately none are even close to Marx :nod: and our second best hooker seems to be Samuels :uhoh:


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Donder Jens, you keep reading those Marx statistics you’re going to need another box of Kleenex. :P

:lol:

To give Chilli an "objective" answer I had to include in most of our hookers.

Unfortunately none are even close to Marx :nod:


Well everyone of them is closer to the Bok jersey.


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Donder Jens, you keep reading those Marx statistics you’re going to need another box of Kleenex. :P

:lol:

To give Chilli an "objective" answer I had to include in most of our hookers.

Unfortunately none are even close to Marx :nod:


Well everyone of them is closer to the Bok jersey.

Marx already has his blazer and cap


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Ramone played more than twice as much as Akkers.
If you take that into perspective your stats are completely meaningless and Ramone sort of looks pretty average

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Apart from his occasional spectacular runs busting tackles (20) Akker doesn't turnover ball (3 this season), doesn't tackle much (34 and 7 misses), doesn't carry much (37) and doesn't pick & drive (2)


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Hookers stats:
Minutes:
Ramone Samuels: 853
Akker van der Merwe: 405


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Tries:
Ramone Samuels: 2
Akker van der Merwe: 2


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Runs:
Ramone Samuels: 59
Akker van der Merwe: 37


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Pick & Drives:
Akker van der Merwe: 2
Ramone Samuels: 0


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Tackles made:
Ramone Samuels: 99
Akker van der Merwe: 34


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Pilfers:
Ramone Samuels: 5
Akker van der Merwe: 1


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Penalties Forced:
Ramone Samuels: 2
Akker van der Merwe: 2


Methinks #jensrastats is a little peed off at Akkers for leaving the Loins


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Ramone played more than twice as much as Akkers.
If you take that into perspective your stats are completely meaningless and Ramone sort of looks pretty average


By Ramone being average you mean on par with Akker and the rest? :)


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Ramone played more than twice as much as Akkers.
If you take that into perspective your stats are completely meaningless and Ramone sort of looks pretty average


By Ramone being average you mean on par with Akker and the rest? :)


Average.......... :nod:

But of all those average players I am not interested in Ramone


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So according to Jens, Ramone Samuels [the ex Lions player] should be the starting hooker for the Springboks against England. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
And that is what happens when computer generated stats pick your team. :roll:


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It's going to be interesting to see who Rassis goes for at hooker, him being a stats/processes oriented person. Looking at Akker and Adriaan's publicly available stats neither should be near a Bok team. They just don't put in the hard graft

Please reveal these "stats".
A hooker must first be able to hook in the scrum and throw into the lineout then do the "bonus" stuff. It doesn't help being an average hooker but a great player.

A hooker's role in the scrums is negligible, apart from being a front rower. Anyway, teams generally play through advantage reducing the importance of the scrums. In the Bulls Sharks game the first scrum as far as I can remember only came in the second half.

Lineouts, as important as they are only take up a fraction on the game. In the Bulls sharks game the Sharks only had 8 lineout throws.

Apart from his occasional spectacular runs busting tackles (20) Akker doesn't turnover ball (3 this season), doesn't tackle much (34 and 7 misses), doesn't carry much (37) and doesn't pick & drive (2)

Hookers stats:
Minutes:
Ramone Samuels: 853
Malcolm Marx: 677
Adriaan Strauss: 487
Akker van der Merwe: 405
Jaco Visagie: 393
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 275
Robbie Coetzee: 257
Franco Marais: 200

Tries:
Malcolm Marx: 7
Adriaan Strauss: 5
Ramone Samuels: 2
Akker van der Merwe: 2
Robbie Coetzee: 2
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 0
Jaco Visagie: 0
Franco Marais: 0

Runs:
Malcolm Marx: 69
Ramone Samuels: 59
Adriaan Strauss: 39
Akker van der Merwe: 37
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 20
Robbie Coetzee: 19
Jaco Visagie: 19
Franco Marais: 14

Pick & Drives:
Malcolm Marx: 12
Adriaan Strauss: 5
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 4
Robbie Coetzee: 3
Akker van der Merwe: 2
Franco Marais: 2
Ramone Samuels: 0
Jaco Visagie: 0

Tackle Busts:
Malcolm Marx: 24
Akker van der Merwe: 20
Ramone Samuels: 6
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 4
Adriaan Strauss: 2
Jaco Visagie: 2
Franco Marais: 1
Robbie Coetzee: 0

Tackles made:
Ramone Samuels: 99
Malcolm Marx: 78
Jaco Visagie: 47
Robbie Coetzee: 40
Adriaan Strauss: 39
Akker van der Merwe: 34
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 27
Franco Marais: 24

Pilfers:
Malcolm Marx: 5
Ramone Samuels: 5
Robbie Coetzee: 1
Akker van der Merwe: 1
Adriaan Strauss: 1
Franco Marais: 1
Jaco Visagie: 1
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 0

Penalties Forced:
Malcolm Marx: 11
Ramone Samuels: 2
Akker van der Merwe: 2
Franco Marais: 1
Jaco Visagie: 1
Robbie Coetzee: 0
Adriaan Strauss: 0
Chiliboy Ralepelle: 0

Akker and Adriaan talk the talk but don't walk the walk

Strange how Jens has no stats for overthrown lineouts, but for everything else.


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When is the bok squad going to be announced?


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Strange how Jens has no stats for overthrown lineouts, but for everything else.



We need to change his hashtag to #jensraselectivestats

He did the same with Junktjies


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Strange how Jens has no stats for overthrown lineouts, but for everything else.



We need to change his hashtag to #jensraselectivestats

He did the same with Junktjies

#Lions4eva!


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Strange how Jens has no stats for overthrown lineouts, but for everything else.


Not available on public stats

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So according to Jens, Ramone Samuels [the ex Lions player] should be the starting hooker for the Springboks against England. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
And that is what happens when computer generated stats pick your team. :roll:


And you think Rassie won't be looking at stats? Dream on.

And nowhere did I say that players should be selected purely on stats, that's your alternative fact.

Merely used the stats to show that Akker and Adriaan aren't really shoo-ins for the Boks spot, Samuels is definitely in the mix whether Sards is interested in him or not. Especially since Akker hasn't really established himself as the first choice hooker at the Sharks, starting less than 50% of their games.

Unfortunately I don't have similar stats for the Pro 14 and Top 14 to compare Bismarck and the Cheetahs and Kings hookers. Pity Torsten van Jaarsveld isn't eligible, he would have been my choice (not based on stats)


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When is the bok squad going to be announced?

Probably after next week's games


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English Premiership Team of the Year:

15 Willie le Roux (Wasps), 14 Vereniki Goneva (Newcastle Falcons), 13 Rob Horne (Northampton Saints), 12 Matt Toomua (Leicester Tigers), 11 Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors), 10 Danny Cipriani (Wasps), 9 Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks), 8 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs), 7 Don Armand (Exeter Chiefs), 6 Jamie Gibson (Northampton Saints), 5 Ed Slater (Gloucester Rugby), 4 Calum Green (Newcastle Falcons), 3 John Afoa (Gloucester Rugby), 2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), 1 Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)

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De Klerk was also one of five players nominated for the 'Player of the Year' award, but that honour went to Vereniki Goneva of the Newcastle Falcons after the Fijian wing was the joint top try-scorer in the competition with 13.


https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/2-springboks-named-in-english-dream-team-20180517


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Strange how Jens has no stats for overthrown lineouts, but for everything else.


Not available on public stats

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So according to Jens, Ramone Samuels [the ex Lions player] should be the starting hooker for the Springboks against England. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
And that is what happens when computer generated stats pick your team. :roll:


And you think Rassie won't be looking at stats? Dream on.

And nowhere did I say that players should be selected purely on stats, that's your alternative fact.

Merely used the stats to show that Akker and Adriaan aren't really shoo-ins for the Boks spot, Samuels is definitely in the mix whether Sards is interested in him or not. Especially since Akker hasn't really established himself as the first choice hooker at the Sharks, starting less than 50% of their games.

Unfortunately I don't have similar stats for the Pro 14 and Top 14 to compare Bismarck and the Cheetahs and Kings hookers. Pity Torsten van Jaarsveld isn't eligible, he would have been my choice (not based on stats)


Yeah Rassie is going to look at lineout misses and go NO FVCKING WAY! :lol:

My word you are lank serious and defensive this morning,


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Yeah Rassie is going to look at lineout misses and go NO FVCKING WAY! :lol:

My word you are lank serious and defensive this morning,

That's not all he's going to look at and he'll see Akker is a show pony :)

Samuels' lineout throwing was poor in the first 4 matches of the season with more than half his bad throws coming then but he settled in nicely since then.

Bad throws:
Bulls 7.7%
Lions 8% (6.2% before Marx got injured)
Sharks 11.5%
Stormers 15.6% (9.3% since the first 4 games)

Anyway, you really should update your misconceptions. :)


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If Rassie looks at stats the way people do on here and make decisions based on that. Then I'm sorry to say but he's doomed before he even gets started.


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If Rassie looks at stats the way people do on here and make decisions based on that. Then I'm sorry to say but he's doomed before he even gets started.

Apparently he developed a very comprehensive stats programme when he was previously at the Boks :)


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Stats are important but you have to look at them with some perspective. There's no point looking at individual players stats if you've not watched them play.


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Stats are important but you have to look at them with some perspective. There's no point looking at individual players stats if you've not watched them play.


True. But it's fun to give Sards a bit of stick about his favourites :)


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Stats are important but you have to look at them with some perspective. There's no point looking at individual players stats if you've not watched them play.


True. But it's fun to give Sards a bit of stick about his favourites :)



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Sards wrote:
Methinks #jensrastats is a little peed off at Akkers for leaving the Loins


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So according to Jens, Ramone Samuels [the ex Lions player] should be the starting hooker for the Springboks against England. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
And that is what happens when computer generated stats pick your team. :roll:


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#jensralions4EVA

Spot on Chilli


So I'm peed off because Akker is an ex-Lion but punt Samuels because he's an ex-Lion?

:lol:

Sards, you are a very confused individual :uhoh:


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Jensrsa wrote:
Sards wrote:
Methinks #jensrastats is a little peed off at Akkers for leaving the Loins


Chilli wrote:
So according to Jens, Ramone Samuels [the ex Lions player] should be the starting hooker for the Springboks against England. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
And that is what happens when computer generated stats pick your team. :roll:


Sards wrote:

#jensralions4EVA

Spot on Chilli


So I'm peed off because Akker is an ex-Lion but punt Samuels because he's an ex-Lion?

:lol:

Sards, you are a very confused individual :uhoh:


Did Ramone ever play Lions superrugby?


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Sards wrote:

Did Ramone ever play Lions superrugby?


A few games off the bench when he was a junior


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Why is there discussion about Ramone on a Bok thread?


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:07 am 
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Why is there discussion about Ramone on a Bok thread?


Because we have no quality hookers who are fit at the moment


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Because we have no quality hookers who are fit at the moment


:?

Marx is injured, therefore we have no quality hookers in SA


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