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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:41 pm 
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Jensrsa wrote:
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Donder Jens, you keep reading those Marx statistics you’re going to need another box of Kleenex. :P

:lol:

To give Chilli an "objective" answer I had to include in most of our hookers.

Unfortunately none are even close to Marx :nod: and our second best hooker seems to be Samuels :uhoh:

Which is exactly why stats only play a part in the bigger picture.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:44 pm 
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Yeah Rassie is going to look at lineout misses and go NO FVCKING WAY! :lol:

My word you are lank serious and defensive this morning,

That's not all he's going to look at and he'll see Akker is a show pony :)

Samuels' lineout throwing was poor in the first 4 matches of the season with more than half his bad throws coming then but he settled in nicely since then.

Bad throws:
Bulls 7.7%
Lions 8% (6.2% before Marx got injured)
Sharks 11.5%
Stormers 15.6% (9.3% since the first 4 games)

Anyway, you really should update your misconceptions. :)

If we have a 5m LO on our or the oppo line...Samuels is the last person I'm calling up to throw in.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:25 pm 
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Did Ramone ever play Lions superrugby?


A few games off the bench when he was a junior


So he has always been second best to Akkers


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:26 pm 
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Because we have no quality hookers who are fit at the moment


:?

Marx is injured, therefore we have no quality hookers in SA



#jensralions4eva


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:55 pm 
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Why is there discussion about Ramone on a Bok thread?

Because Jens is punting him as statistically the only option x( :? :shock:


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:45 pm 
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assfly wrote:
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Because we have no quality hookers who are fit at the moment


:?

Marx is injured, therefore we have no quality hookers in SA


Exactly, now you've got it


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Chilli wrote:
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Why is there discussion about Ramone on a Bok thread?

Because Jens is punting him as statistically the only option x( :? :shock:


No I didn't.


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Sards wrote:
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Did Ramone ever play Lions superrugby?


A few games off the bench when he was a junior


So he has always been second best to Akkers

And Akker was behind Marx and Coetzee.

Meanwhile Samuels has improved his game, Akker hasn't


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Jensrsa wrote:
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Did Ramone ever play Lions superrugby?


A few games off the bench when he was a junior


So he has always been second best to Akkers

And Akker was behind Marx and Coetzee.

Meanwhile Samuels has improved his game, Akker hasn't

Damn! I forgot how the story always works, Akker went to the Sharks and has become shitter.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 4:20 pm 
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Chilli wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Sards wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
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Did Ramone ever play Lions superrugby?


A few games off the bench when he was a junior


So he has always been second best to Akkers

And Akker was behind Marx and Coetzee.

Meanwhile Samuels has improved his game, Akker hasn't

Damn! I forgot how the story always works, Akker went to the Sharks and has become shitter.

Well he does have a point there tbf.


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Chilli wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Sards wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Sards wrote:

Did Ramone ever play Lions superrugby?


A few games off the bench when he was a junior


So he has always been second best to Akkers

And Akker was behind Marx and Coetzee.

Meanwhile Samuels has improved his game, Akker hasn't

Damn! I forgot how the story always works, Akker went to the Sharks and has become shitter.



:lol:


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 pm 
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Warren Whiteley, when he is fit, will be the Springbok captain. The chances of him being ready for the June 2 international season opener against Wales and the June 9 Test against England in Johannesburg are not good.

So, who captains the Springboks in the absence of the injured 2017 Springbok captains Whiteley and Eben Etzebeth?

Siya Kolisi is the Stormers captain and he was one of the best and most consistent Springboks in 2017. His form has not reached a similar standard in this year’s Super Rugby but Kolisi has a history of lifting his game to another level in Tests. His form could also turn around in a different environment.

Everything would point to Kolisi being the next player in line to lead the Springboks. Rugby, as a sport in South Africa, would take the most significant of transformation leaps with the appointment of Kolisi as captain.

And here I have to emphasise that a transformation leap is not to be read as anything but a player being rewarded for his leadership, skill and ability, who just happens to be black. I am not promoting the selection of the Springbok captain because he is black.

Kolisi, for me, is a good enough to make the starting XV and the best of the available captaincy options.

The All Blacks have for the past decade spoken of trusting what the player does at Test level, as opposed to what the player isn’t doing in Super Rugby. All Blacks coach Steve Hansen consistently has backed his class Test players to find form in the All Blacks environment and to flourish in the national set up.

I’d make a plea to Rassie Erasmus to trust Kolisi to find the necessary inspiration from wearing green and gold and for it to reflect in his performance in being able to lead from the front.

Kolisi is hugely respected as a player and leader by his peers in South Africa and he is a player the Kiwis often single out as a strength in the South African game.

Kolisi has done his apprenticeship over the last five years.

I singled out Kolisi in a recent Sport24 column, saying he needed to make it easy for Erasmus to give him the Springbok leadership responsibility by way of performance and that his indifferent Super Rugby performances could strengthen the notion that he isn’t good enough to make the team, let alone be the captain.

I’m backing Kolisi’s historic Test form to trump anything I’ve seen from him in a struggling Stormers set-up in 2018.

Lest we forget, he was among South Africa’s finest at Test level in 2017.

Erasmus, through circumstance, has the opportunity to turn a seemingly cursed situation into one of celebration in entrusting Kolisi with the leadership in Whiteley and Etzebeth’s absence.

Do it Rassie! Break the mould.

Will Erasmus do it?

I’m not so sure because in recent weeks the name of Handre Pollard as an interim captaincy option has been mentioned with regularity on many different media platforms, and by many different rugby writers.

Pollard is a former SA Schools and SA under-20 captain. He has captained nearly every team he has represented at provincial or national level. He will lead the Bulls against the Jaguares this weekend.

Pollard’s leadership credentials shouldn’t be debated. His track record since those teen days vindicate any faith a coach would put in his leadership.

But the player is only just finding the form that made him a Test sensation in his first international season in 2014. Injuries disrupted Pollard’s career since the 2015 World Cup and this season is the first since 2014 that he has played consistently, and with the greater game time has come the necessary performance expected of a Test No 10.

Pollard, in the last month, has gone ahead of Elton Jantjies in the flyhalf pecking order. Jantjies will definitely be in the Springbok squad and he will in all likelihood start against Wales, with Pollard starting against England.

Pollard and Jantjies will be the initial flyhalf picks, but does Pollard, at his juncture, need the additional responsibility of captaincy when there is still so much public debate as to whether he would be the starting No 10?

I don’t think the captaincy in June would do Pollard any favours and I do think that Kolisi to captain and Pollard to be his 2IC is the win-win rugby situation, that by default allows for a win-win South African situation on a far greater level.


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it's typical of our administrators. They believe it's a huge secret and noone knows it.

Regarding Kolisi . He's got the number 6 spot as long as he wants it. It's the natural progression. It would do a lot for the game .

The only problem for me is that Province just cannot produce a successful captain in the professional era.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:25 pm 
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Sards wrote:
it's typical of our administrators. They believe it's a huge secret and noone knows it.

Much like AC being announced as the coach.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:30 pm 
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Chilli wrote:
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it's typical of our administrators. They believe it's a huge secret and noone knows it.

Much like AC being announced as the coach.


Exactly. I just cannot understand why they Hanna Hanna poer poer over it. Get it out there so we can start building a team around him.


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Keo is deluded. Nothing but clickbate.

As for Kolisi - I'm going to say it. Part of the reason he's in the mix is because apart from Beast and perhaps Trevor there are not many black forward in great form.


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Keo is deluded. Nothing but clickbate.

As for Kolisi - I'm going to say it. Part of the reason he's in the mix is because apart from Beast and perhaps Trevor there are not many black forward in great form.

Siya usually steps up in a Bok jersey. :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 7:07 am 
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Keo is deluded. Nothing but clickbate.

As for Kolisi - I'm going to say it. Part of the reason he's in the mix is because apart from Beast and perhaps Trevor there are not many black forward in great form.

Ja. :|


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 7:07 am 
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Keo is deluded. Nothing but clickbate.

As for Kolisi - I'm going to say it. Part of the reason he's in the mix is because apart from Beast and perhaps Trevor there are not many black forward in great form.

Siya usually steps up in a Bok jersey. :thumbup:

Well he bloody well better if he is going to be the Captain.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 7:18 am 
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Siya usually steps up in a Bok jersey. :thumbup:


He was incredible against France but went totally MIA during The Rugby Championship when even Oupa Mahoje outplayed him.


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assfly wrote:
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Siya usually steps up in a Bok jersey. :thumbup:


He was incredible against France but went totally MIA during The Rugby Championship when even Oupa Mahoje outplayed him.

Everyone goes on about his form in a Springbok jersey. Looking at last year’s results, his great form didn't amount to much. He was part of the worst team in Springbok history and here we are discussing him as captain. He looked good against very average opposition and disappeared in the heap of shit when they faced better teams.


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Sandstorm wrote:
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Keo is deluded. Nothing but clickbate.

As for Kolisi - I'm going to say it. Part of the reason he's in the mix is because apart from Beast and perhaps Trevor there are not many black forward in great form.

Siya usually steps up in a Bok jersey. :thumbup:


He just looks better with great players around him let's be honest.
He needs to step up.
And if he is going to hit rucks like he did last game he better sort out his technique or he won't last more than one game.


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Hay Jens what does your stats say about Kolisi?


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Hay Jens what does your stats say about Kolisi?

Well played Sir! :nod:


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Kolisi is kak, watch him get exposed against England's fairly average back row, if he actually plays.

There are 2 out of 3 excellent parts of the back row (7 and 8), but is there a world class 6?

Considering the back 3 and a centre are likely to be black then I don't think Rassie will necessarily be under pressure to play a black back rower.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 11:56 am 
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Kolisi is kak, watch him get exposed against England's fairly average back row, if he actually plays.

There are 2 out of 3 excellent parts of the back row (7 and 8), but is there a world class 6?

Considering the back 3 and a centre are likely to be black then I don't think Rassie will necessarily be under pressure to play a black back rower.

Sharks only have white 6/7/8?


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Chilli wrote:
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Hay Jens what does your stats say about Kolisi?

Well played Sir! :nod:


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Sharks only have white 6/7/8?


But this isn't about the Sharks, it's about the Boks who have targets to hit.

Besides, we played Mtembu at 8 for the first part of the season.


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Hay Jens what does your stats say about Kolisi?

Well played Sir! :nod:


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Jens, you are waaaaaaaaaaaaay to serious again today.


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Stormers and Springbok hooker Bongi Mbonambi has made a full recovery from an abdominal injury and will play for Western Province in the SuperSport Challenge this weekend.

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/bok-mbonambi-back-from-injury-named-in-wp-side-20180518

Will probably take Samuels's spot in the Boks squad


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Stormers and Springbok hooker Bongi Mbonambi has made a full recovery from an abdominal injury and will play for Western Province in the SuperSport Challenge this weekend.

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/bok-mbonambi-back-from-injury-named-in-wp-side-20180518

Will probably take Samuels's spot in the Boks squad

:shock: :lol:


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Stormers and Springbok hooker Bongi Mbonambi has made a full recovery from an abdominal injury and will play for Western Province in the SuperSport Challenge this weekend.

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/bok-mbonambi-back-from-injury-named-in-wp-side-20180518

Will probably take Samuels's spot in the Boks squad

:thumbup:

I'm ignoring your last comment about Samuel obviously.


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Stormers and Springbok hooker Bongi Mbonambi has made a full recovery from an abdominal injury and will play for Western Province in the SuperSport Challenge this weekend.

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/bok-mbonambi-back-from-injury-named-in-wp-side-20180518

Will probably take Samuels's spot in the Boks squad

:thumbup:

I'm ignoring your last comment about Samuel obviously.


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Jensrsa wrote:
Chilli wrote:
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Hay Jens what does your stats say about Kolisi?

Well played Sir! :nod:


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I was being serious and then you give me the BN middle finger reply.
You give out stats like sweeties to any fokor and his dog who askes. I ask for one player and you give me the bird.
Well bugger you, bugger you to the end of the earth.


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It was for Chilli :)

Kolisi does a little bit of this and a little bit of that, plays a hybrid role

Minutes:
Siya Kolisi: 890
Kwagga Smith: 823
Cyle Brink: 626
Roelof Smit: 621
Nizaam Carr: 607
Jean-Luc du Preez: 564
Marco van Staden: 553
Kobus van Dyk: 550
Thembelani Bholi: 519
Jacques Vermeulen: 483
Tera Mtembu: 470
Philip van der Walt: 432
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 384
Hacjivah Dayimani: 316
Cobus Wiese: 278
Dan du Preez: 274
Marnus Schoeman: 233

Tries:
Marnus Schoeman: 5
Jean-Luc du Preez: 3
Kwagga Smith: 3
Siya Kolisi: 2
Tera Mtembu: 2
Jacques Vermeulen: 2
Kobus van Dyk: 1
Dan du Preez: 1
Roelof Smit: 1
Marco van Staden: 1
Nizaam Carr:
Hacjivah Dayimani:
Cobus Wiese:
Cyle Brink:
Philip van der Walt:
Sikhumbuzo Notshe:
Thembelani Bholi:

Runs/Meters:
Jean-Luc du Preez: 82/457
Marco van Staden: 79/455
Kwagga Smith: 78/586
Nizaam Carr: 76/408
Siya Kolisi: 64/476
Philip van der Walt: 50/265
Thembelani Bholi: 43/294
Cobus Wiese: 39/215
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 36/193
Dan du Preez: 34/159
Cyle Brink: 33/200
Hacjivah Dayimani: 31/200
Jacques Vermeulen: 31/107
Tera Mtembu: 27/131
Kobus van Dyk: 23/119
Marnus Schoeman: 23/91
Roelof Smit: 22/196

Pick & Drives:
Marco van Staden: 12
Kwagga Smith: 11
Marnus Schoeman: 10
Hacjivah Dayimani: 6
Dan du Preez: 6
Cobus Wiese: 6
Jean-Luc du Preez: 5
Tera Mtembu: 5
Thembelani Bholi: 4
Siya Kolisi: 3
Nizaam Carr: 2
Cyle Brink: 2
Philip van der Walt: 2
Roelof Smit: 1
Jacques Vermeulen: 1
Kobus van Dyk:
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 1

Tackle Busts:
Jean-Luc du Preez: 43
Kwagga Smith: 31
Marnus Schoeman: 22
Marco van Staden: 19
Siya Kolisi: 15
Thembelani Bholi: 13
Cobus Wiese: 13
Nizaam Carr: 12
Hacjivah Dayimani: 9
Dan du Preez: 8
Philip van der Walt: 8
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 7
Jacques Vermeulen: 6
Roelof Smit: 5
Cyle Brink: 5
Tera Mtembu: 4
Kobus van Dyk: 2

Tackles made/missed:
Kwagga Smith: 119/32
Kobus van Dyk: 99/6
Siya Kolisi: 96/25
Nizaam Carr: 94/9
Cyle Brink: 90/12
Jean-Luc du Preez: 85/8
Roelof Smit: 77/18
Philip van der Walt: 73/4
Jacques Vermeulen: 67/15
Marco van Staden: 62/17
Thembelani Bholi: 60/13
Marnus Schoeman: 57/3
Tera Mtembu: 53/4
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 48/7
Cobus Wiese: 44/9
Hacjivah Dayimani: 41/6
Dan du Preez: 25/6

Turnovers (Pilfers/Penalties Forced):
Roelof Smit: 4/5
Kwagga Smith: 5/3
Marco van Staden: 2/5
Marnus Schoeman: 3/1
Siya Kolisi: 2/2
Hacjivah Dayimani: 1/3
Philip van der Walt: 2/0
Cyle Brink: 1/1
Cobus Wiese: 1/1
Nizaam Carr: 1/1
Jean-Luc du Preez: 1/0
Thembelani Bholi: 1/0
Dan du Preez:
Tera Mtembu:
Jacques Vermeulen:
Kobus van Dyk:
Sikhumbuzo Notshe:


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Those stats show Marnus Schoeman has made an excellent contribution (tries and missed tackles are particularly impressive), but he's hardly ready to wear the Bok jersey, is he?


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Sandstorm wrote:
Those stats show Marnus Schoeman has made an excellent contribution (tries and missed tackles are particularly impressive), but he's hardly ready to wear the Bok jersey, is he?

Weight: 96 kg
Height: 1,78 m

I doubt it


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Those stats show Marnus Schoeman has made an excellent contribution (tries and missed tackles are particularly impressive), but he's hardly ready to wear the Bok jersey, is he?

Weight: 96 kg
Height: 1,78 m

I doubt it


If Samuels plays, he'll need to be 2,78 m to catch at the tail of the lineout. :lol:


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Sandstorm wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Sandstorm wrote:
Those stats show Marnus Schoeman has made an excellent contribution (tries and missed tackles are particularly impressive), but he's hardly ready to wear the Bok jersey, is he?

Weight: 96 kg
Height: 1,78 m

I doubt it


If Samuels plays, he'll need to be 2,78 m to catch at the tail of the lineout. :lol:

They should just plan on having DDA run onto every ball thrown for the tail.


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Jensrsa wrote:
It was for Chilli :)

Kolisi does a little bit of this and a little bit of that, plays a hybrid role

Minutes:
Siya Kolisi: 890
Kwagga Smith: 823
Cyle Brink: 626
Roelof Smit: 621
Nizaam Carr: 607
Jean-Luc du Preez: 564
Marco van Staden: 553
Kobus van Dyk: 550
Thembelani Bholi: 519
Jacques Vermeulen: 483
Tera Mtembu: 470
Philip van der Walt: 432
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 384
Hacjivah Dayimani: 316
Cobus Wiese: 278
Dan du Preez: 274
Marnus Schoeman: 233

Tries:
Marnus Schoeman: 5
Jean-Luc du Preez: 3
Kwagga Smith: 3
Siya Kolisi: 2
Tera Mtembu: 2
Jacques Vermeulen: 2
Kobus van Dyk: 1
Dan du Preez: 1
Roelof Smit: 1
Marco van Staden: 1
Nizaam Carr:
Hacjivah Dayimani:
Cobus Wiese:
Cyle Brink:
Philip van der Walt:
Sikhumbuzo Notshe:
Thembelani Bholi:

Runs/Meters:
Jean-Luc du Preez: 82/457
Marco van Staden: 79/455
Kwagga Smith: 78/586
Nizaam Carr: 76/408
Siya Kolisi: 64/476
Philip van der Walt: 50/265
Thembelani Bholi: 43/294
Cobus Wiese: 39/215
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 36/193
Dan du Preez: 34/159
Cyle Brink: 33/200
Hacjivah Dayimani: 31/200
Jacques Vermeulen: 31/107
Tera Mtembu: 27/131
Kobus van Dyk: 23/119
Marnus Schoeman: 23/91
Roelof Smit: 22/196

Pick & Drives:
Marco van Staden: 12
Kwagga Smith: 11
Marnus Schoeman: 10
Hacjivah Dayimani: 6
Dan du Preez: 6
Cobus Wiese: 6
Jean-Luc du Preez: 5
Tera Mtembu: 5
Thembelani Bholi: 4
Siya Kolisi: 3
Nizaam Carr: 2
Cyle Brink: 2
Philip van der Walt: 2
Roelof Smit: 1
Jacques Vermeulen: 1
Kobus van Dyk:
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 1

Tackle Busts:
Jean-Luc du Preez: 43
Kwagga Smith: 31
Marnus Schoeman: 22
Marco van Staden: 19
Siya Kolisi: 15
Thembelani Bholi: 13
Cobus Wiese: 13
Nizaam Carr: 12
Hacjivah Dayimani: 9
Dan du Preez: 8
Philip van der Walt: 8
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 7
Jacques Vermeulen: 6
Roelof Smit: 5
Cyle Brink: 5
Tera Mtembu: 4
Kobus van Dyk: 2

Tackles made/missed:
Kwagga Smith: 119/32
Kobus van Dyk: 99/6
Siya Kolisi: 96/25
Nizaam Carr: 94/9
Cyle Brink: 90/12
Jean-Luc du Preez: 85/8
Roelof Smit: 77/18
Philip van der Walt: 73/4
Jacques Vermeulen: 67/15
Marco van Staden: 62/17
Thembelani Bholi: 60/13
Marnus Schoeman: 57/3
Tera Mtembu: 53/4
Sikhumbuzo Notshe: 48/7
Cobus Wiese: 44/9
Hacjivah Dayimani: 41/6
Dan du Preez: 25/6

Turnovers (Pilfers/Penalties Forced):
Roelof Smit: 4/5
Kwagga Smith: 5/3
Marco van Staden: 2/5
Marnus Schoeman: 3/1
Siya Kolisi: 2/2
Hacjivah Dayimani: 1/3
Philip van der Walt: 2/0
Cyle Brink: 1/1
Cobus Wiese: 1/1
Nizaam Carr: 1/1
Jean-Luc du Preez: 1/0
Thembelani Bholi: 1/0
Dan du Preez:
Tera Mtembu:
Jacques Vermeulen:
Kobus van Dyk:
Sikhumbuzo Notshe:

Thanks. So jack of all, master of none.


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