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Been told this is a true game changer and have demos on its way to show what it can do.

So IT geeks and others in the know, what are your thoughts and who has been using it, has it the potential to be all it is cracked up to be?


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A Power Bi? Is that like a power bottom?


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A Power Bi? Is that like a power bottom?

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They are improving it fast, someone can come in from scratch and get 90% of the way there. which is leaps and bounds over previous BI tools. But then you need help and some professional is going to rebuild what ever you did anyway.

The native language query looks cool but in practice wasn't that helpful on the data sets I use.


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 Post subject: Re: Microsoft Power BI
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The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?


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For a product designed to show aggregated,sliced, and diced data, in the world of big data it apparently does not scale up to largish datasets very well I’ve been told.

But in general it’s not a bad way to make a bunch of pretty bar charts.


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 Post subject: Re: Microsoft Power BI
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The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?


It's to layer it above our new ERP system which we put in a year ago.

The ERP system's reporting tools are crap and this looks like a handy solution to pull the data out easier and in a much sexier way.

We have been using Qlikview to get around this until now but ive been given the pitch by someone without a vested interest that this Microsoft tool is the future yada yada


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 Post subject: Re: Microsoft Power BI
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Been using it for about 2.5 years now. Main benefits that I found was it's incredibly easy to combine separate data sources, very easy to distribute the end reports and the end users found it very flexible and easy to use. The same could be said of Tableau to be fair.

Compared to Tableau it's quite cheap and the dev team are cranking out new features very very quickly. It's at the stage where Power BI has eaten up Tableau's initial advantage and is starting to surpass it in certain areas. Compared to other options like Qlik, I like the fact that you can do extremely complex queries using the advanced editor and there's a desktop editor. The web based options aren't really worth a shite if your working with complex data sets.


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Lorthern Nights wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?


It's to layer it above our new ERP system which we put in a year ago.

The ERP system's reporting tools are crap and this looks like a handy solution to pull the data out easier and in a much sexier way.

We have been using Qlikview to get around this until now but ive been given the pitch by someone without a vested interest that this Microsoft tool is the future yada yada



We're a big MS reseller and have pretty much ignored PowerBI - as with you we've gone done the QlikView route and are heavily invested in it.

The real value of PowerBI based on the MS pitches I've seen is more about it's native integration into O365 and what it can ultimately tell you about your workforce, optimisation, etc. But that relies on your organisation fully buying into 365


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Saint wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?


It's to layer it above our new ERP system which we put in a year ago.

The ERP system's reporting tools are crap and this looks like a handy solution to pull the data out easier and in a much sexier way.

We have been using Qlikview to get around this until now but ive been given the pitch by someone without a vested interest that this Microsoft tool is the future yada yada



We're a big MS reseller and have pretty much ignored PowerBI - as with you we've gone done the QlikView route and are heavily invested in it.

The real value of PowerBI based on the MS pitches I've seen is more about it's native integration into O365 and what it can ultimately tell you about your workforce, optimisation, etc. But that relies on your organisation fully buying into 365


My biggest reason from switching from Qlik is that i believe there are going to be a lot more PowerBI geeks kicking about in the long run as getting good Qlik people is a ballache, that and the cash that Microsoft will throw at this as they seem to be getting some serious traction with this makes this seem like the long term bet.


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 Post subject: Re: Microsoft Power BI
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Is this Microsoft's SAP Hana moment?


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 Post subject: Re: Microsoft Power BI
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Lorthern Nights wrote:
Saint wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?


It's to layer it above our new ERP system which we put in a year ago.

The ERP system's reporting tools are crap and this looks like a handy solution to pull the data out easier and in a much sexier way.

We have been using Qlikview to get around this until now but ive been given the pitch by someone without a vested interest that this Microsoft tool is the future yada yada



We're a big MS reseller and have pretty much ignored PowerBI - as with you we've gone done the QlikView route and are heavily invested in it.

The real value of PowerBI based on the MS pitches I've seen is more about it's native integration into O365 and what it can ultimately tell you about your workforce, optimisation, etc. But that relies on your organisation fully buying into 365


My biggest reason from switching from Qlik is that i believe there are going to be a lot more PowerBI geeks kicking about in the long run as getting good Qlik people is a ballache, that and the cash that Microsoft will throw at this as they seem to be getting some serious traction with this makes this seem like the long term bet.


I'm not sure it;s that simple - certainly, MS are going to throw lots of money at this but that doesn;t make it a sure fire bet. I'm also not convinced that there will be that many more BI geeks than there will be Qlik or anything else.


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 Post subject: Re: Microsoft Power BI
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For a product designed to show aggregated,sliced, and diced data, in the world of big data it apparently does not scale up to largish datasets very well I’ve been told.

But in general it’s not a bad way to make a bunch of pretty bar charts.


Yes, large data, struggles, big data,no way.


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Lorthern Nights wrote:
Saint wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?


It's to layer it above our new ERP system which we put in a year ago.

The ERP system's reporting tools are crap and this looks like a handy solution to pull the data out easier and in a much sexier way.

We have been using Qlikview to get around this until now but ive been given the pitch by someone without a vested interest that this Microsoft tool is the future yada yada



We're a big MS reseller and have pretty much ignored PowerBI - as with you we've gone done the QlikView route and are heavily invested in it.

The real value of PowerBI based on the MS pitches I've seen is more about it's native integration into O365 and what it can ultimately tell you about your workforce, optimisation, etc. But that relies on your organisation fully buying into 365


My biggest reason from switching from Qlik is that i believe there are going to be a lot more PowerBI geeks kicking about in the long run as getting good Qlik people is a ballache, that and the cash that Microsoft will throw at this as they seem to be getting some serious traction with this makes this seem like the long term bet.



The proper geeks use BIDS (SSAS, SAIS, SSRS) or anaconda with R or Python. Power BI is power user category


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 Post subject: Re: Microsoft Power BI
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Plato'sCave wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Saint wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?


It's to layer it above our new ERP system which we put in a year ago.

The ERP system's reporting tools are crap and this looks like a handy solution to pull the data out easier and in a much sexier way.

We have been using Qlikview to get around this until now but ive been given the pitch by someone without a vested interest that this Microsoft tool is the future yada yada



We're a big MS reseller and have pretty much ignored PowerBI - as with you we've gone done the QlikView route and are heavily invested in it.

The real value of PowerBI based on the MS pitches I've seen is more about it's native integration into O365 and what it can ultimately tell you about your workforce, optimisation, etc. But that relies on your organisation fully buying into 365


My biggest reason from switching from Qlik is that i believe there are going to be a lot more PowerBI geeks kicking about in the long run as getting good Qlik people is a ballache, that and the cash that Microsoft will throw at this as they seem to be getting some serious traction with this makes this seem like the long term bet.



The proper geeks use BIDS (SSAS, SAIS, SSRS) or anaconda with R or Python. Power BI is power user category


Meh, you're all geeks to me. I just want flashy reports that someone else has created that makes sense to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Microsoft Power BI
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it is quite good for generating nice looking interactive graphs and tables. still doesn't have a pivot table equivalent, and other tools like qlikview provide more control over formatting. in most cases you will still need some process to extract and clean data from your systems before it is used in PowerBI.

also, won't provide any real analytical insights on its own. it's just a tool for summarizing / filtering data ultimately!


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it is quite good for generating nice looking interactive graphs and tables. still doesn't have a pivot table equivalent, and other tools like qlikview provide more control over formatting. in most cases you will still need some process to extract and clean data from your systems before it is used in PowerBI.

also, won't provide any real analytical insights on its own. it's just a tool for summarizing / filtering data ultimately!


Thanks, best post yet :thumbup:


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MungoMan wrote:
Zakar wrote:
A Power Bi? Is that like a power bottom?

A schlong like a jackhammer; a date like a dyson.


I feel our bantz were ruined by a bunch of geeks.


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Zakar wrote:
MungoMan wrote:
Zakar wrote:
A Power Bi? Is that like a power bottom?

A schlong like a jackhammer; a date like a dyson.


I feel our bantz were ruined by a bunch of geeks.

God damn you ASD!!! :x :x :x


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Its primarily a visualization tool. You won't be pulling data out of your ERP system as such which you probably do for Qlik. Query your biggest dataset at the lowest granularity your users will need and see how it performs.


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Frodder wrote:
Is this Microsoft's SAP Hana moment?


Nope, HANA is a database (or a Platform as SAP say) whereas Power BI is a visualization tool primarily.

Btw SAP HANA runs on Microsoft's Cloud (Azure) which Microsoft hopes will be a massive growth area.


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Lorthern Nights wrote:
Been told this is a true game changer and have demos on its way to show what it can do.

So IT geeks and others in the know, what are your thoughts and who has been using it, has it the potential to be all it is cracked up to be?


Tableau for the win!!


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imo

Tableau>>PowerBI>>>>>>>>>>>>Qlik

Think Gartner (for what it's worth) agrees with me too


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The tool you choose depends on your task. Otherwise it’s like asking if a saw is better then a screwdriver. Some data tasks are best on datazen, some on powerview some on SSRS some on anaconda. Depends on the normalisation level, row count, etc


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imo

Tableau>>PowerBI>>>>>>>>>>>>Qlik

Think Gartner (for what it's worth) agrees with me too


Actually Microsoft moved ahead of Tableau in the 2018 Gartner Quadrant for Analytics. I wouldn't put much stock in that though, the criteria for their quadrant is very specific.


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I am just here to pick up some buzzwords I might want to use in a meeting to make it sound like I know what I am doing, please continue geeks


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I am just here to pick up some buzzwords I might want to use in a meeting to make it sound like I know what I am doing, please continue geeks


Blockchain, Machine Learning, Predictive Analytics, Internet of Things.

Off you go now and set up a new company, see if 'Compu Global Hyper Mega Net' is available as a company name.


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polyallstar wrote:
imo

Tableau>>PowerBI>>>>>>>>>>>>Qlik

Think Gartner (for what it's worth) agrees with me too


Actually Microsoft moved ahead of Tableau in the 2018 Gartner Quadrant for Analytics. I wouldn't put much stock in that though, the criteria for their quadrant is very specific.


If it's typical Gartner, the criteria really boils down to "which vendor has given us the most cash this year?"


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I am just here to pick up some buzzwords I might want to use in a meeting to make it sound like I know what I am doing, please continue geeks


My data science industry is full of fückers like you, talking the talk but couldn’t cast a single datetime


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sewa wrote:
I am just here to pick up some buzzwords I might want to use in a meeting to make it sound like I know what I am doing, please continue geeks


My data science industry is full of fückers like you, talking the talk but couldn’t cast a single datetime

Firstly I've not had a date in twenty years, secondly don't you dare talk to your boss like that


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Plato'sCave wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Saint wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?


It's to layer it above our new ERP system which we put in a year ago.

The ERP system's reporting tools are crap and this looks like a handy solution to pull the data out easier and in a much sexier way.

We have been using Qlikview to get around this until now but ive been given the pitch by someone without a vested interest that this Microsoft tool is the future yada yada



We're a big MS reseller and have pretty much ignored PowerBI - as with you we've gone done the QlikView route and are heavily invested in it.

The real value of PowerBI based on the MS pitches I've seen is more about it's native integration into O365 and what it can ultimately tell you about your workforce, optimisation, etc. But that relies on your organisation fully buying into 365


My biggest reason from switching from Qlik is that i believe there are going to be a lot more PowerBI geeks kicking about in the long run as getting good Qlik people is a ballache, that and the cash that Microsoft will throw at this as they seem to be getting some serious traction with this makes this seem like the long term bet.



The proper geeks use BIDS (SSAS, SAIS, SSRS) or anaconda with R or Python. Power BI is power user category


I dont really subscribe to using Anaconda with R, I found it too hard to import libraries not part of the suite.
Just use RStudio and make sure RJava is setup....
For Python I dont think its that bad


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sewa wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
sewa wrote:
I am just here to pick up some buzzwords I might want to use in a meeting to make it sound like I know what I am doing, please continue geeks


My data science industry is full of fückers like you, talking the talk but couldn’t cast a single datetime

Firstly I've not had a date in twenty years, secondly don't you dare talk to your boss like that


If you were my boss I could stretch 1 days work out to three months and you’d think I was a genius for doing it in 2 & 1/2 months. :smug:


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Plato'sCave wrote:
sewa wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
sewa wrote:
I am just here to pick up some buzzwords I might want to use in a meeting to make it sound like I know what I am doing, please continue geeks


My data science industry is full of fückers like you, talking the talk but couldn’t cast a single datetime

Firstly I've not had a date in twenty years, secondly don't you dare talk to your boss like that


If you were my boss I could stretch 1 days work out to three months and you’d think I was a genius for doing it in 2 & 1/2 months. :smug:



Sewa, he's got you there :lol:
Im sure those buzzwords will go well with your corporate jargon....


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Sewa, he's got you there :lol:
Im sure those buzzwords will go well with your corporate jargon....


I am sure that once my own bosses saw me reporting three months work done in 2 and 1/2 there would be no issue, everyone wins


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Anything released by Microsoft since 2008 only half works, either in a Alpha or Beta state.


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Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?

Don't Microsoft have their own data prep tool yet?


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Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?

Don't Microsoft have their own data prep tool yet?


It's called SQL


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sturginho wrote:
Plato'sCave wrote:
The power depends purely on your data quality. If your sources are well formed, consistent in schema, etc then it’s a handy look at your data patterns, if not then it’s garbage in garbage out. What data retrieval you interrogating? what format? Row count?

Don't Microsoft have their own data prep tool yet?


It's called SQL


Well SQL Server is the warehouse but prepping from external non databases usually happens in SSIS.

Powerful tool. Probably the best integrator if your sources are varied. It’s a programmable drag and drop logic flow enabling things like foreach, SQL containers, C#, VB blah blah etc


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The thought of databases makes me limp. Take a good hard look at yourselves; there's nothing of interest here.


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The thought of databases makes me limp. Take a good hard look at yourselves; there's nothing of interest here.


Clustering algorithm analysis on captured meta data can be used to recommend similar videos you may be interested in.


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