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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:09 pm 
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I've been with the wife during Ramadan. It seemed fine, it's the only time I've been actually so I don't have anything to compare it to.

Don't eat or drink on the street during the daytime. If you're going with any women, make sure they are wearing loose fitting clothing.

A working knowledge of French works wonders. A lot people don't speak English at all, unless you're going to somewhere very resort-y.

It absolutely stinks for the first hour or so you're there, then you get used to it.

Very friendly people though.


Cheers, I know a bit of French so that will help things.

Will have to figure out the food and water situation there then. Shouldn't be a big deal.

HH, yeah, some bad experiences really would cloud the trip. Sadly they seem to be what you remember most vividly, which is a pain! We're staying in an area called L'Agdal, the hotels looks like these big fancy resort things. Although I had half thought to change to a Riad in the medina.


Opted for a Riad in the Medina. An oasis of calm. Would guess a little hotel therapy in a nearby comfortable hotel with pool would've edged it for my wife.

The riad had "access" to a private club with Olympic sized pool. My helmetless ride with testosterone heavy 14 year old Abdul on his moped as he looked to burn off rival moped youths and weave between the carts, donkeys, Mercs and buses might not have been covered by insurance.

Peligroso, even when compared to the Colombia of Escobar and Farc :o


:lol: That sounds fun. Considered renting a car or scooter but might be best not to.


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:51 pm 
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Narwama ( fire and water) is an excellent restaurant just off the main square. Have eaten there a few times ( during Ramadan too) Lovely city, friendly people. Enjoy.


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:22 pm 
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shereblue wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
englishchief wrote:
I've been with the wife during Ramadan. It seemed fine, it's the only time I've been actually so I don't have anything to compare it to.

Don't eat or drink on the street during the daytime. If you're going with any women, make sure they are wearing loose fitting clothing.

A working knowledge of French works wonders. A lot people don't speak English at all, unless you're going to somewhere very resort-y.

It absolutely stinks for the first hour or so you're there, then you get used to it.

Very friendly people though.


Cheers, I know a bit of French so that will help things.

Will have to figure out the food and water situation there then. Shouldn't be a big deal.

HH, yeah, some bad experiences really would cloud the trip. Sadly they seem to be what you remember most vividly, which is a pain! We're staying in an area called L'Agdal, the hotels looks like these big fancy resort things. Although I had half thought to change to a Riad in the medina.


Opted for a Riad in the Medina. An oasis of calm. Would guess a little hotel therapy in a nearby comfortable hotel with pool would've edged it for my wife.

The riad had "access" to a private club with Olympic sized pool. My helmetless ride with testosterone heavy 14 year old Abdul on his moped as he looked to burn off rival moped youths and weave between the carts, donkeys, Mercs and buses might not have been covered by insurance.

Peligroso, even when compared to the Colombia of Escobar and Farc :o


Same here (La Maison Arabe). Absoutely superb, although that was about 13 years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:27 pm 
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Bullettyme wrote:
shereblue wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
englishchief wrote:
I've been with the wife during Ramadan. It seemed fine, it's the only time I've been actually so I don't have anything to compare it to.

Don't eat or drink on the street during the daytime. If you're going with any women, make sure they are wearing loose fitting clothing.

A working knowledge of French works wonders. A lot people don't speak English at all, unless you're going to somewhere very resort-y.

It absolutely stinks for the first hour or so you're there, then you get used to it.

Very friendly people though.


Cheers, I know a bit of French so that will help things.

Will have to figure out the food and water situation there then. Shouldn't be a big deal.

HH, yeah, some bad experiences really would cloud the trip. Sadly they seem to be what you remember most vividly, which is a pain! We're staying in an area called L'Agdal, the hotels looks like these big fancy resort things. Although I had half thought to change to a Riad in the medina.


Opted for a Riad in the Medina. An oasis of calm. Would guess a little hotel therapy in a nearby comfortable hotel with pool would've edged it for my wife.

The riad had "access" to a private club with Olympic sized pool. My helmetless ride with testosterone heavy 14 year old Abdul on his moped as he looked to burn off rival moped youths and weave between the carts, donkeys, Mercs and buses might not have been covered by insurance.

Peligroso, even when compared to the Colombia of Escobar and Farc :o


:lol: That sounds fun. Considered renting a car or scooter but might be best not to.


I drove around Morocco for about a week (Ourzazate, Zagora, Skoura, Marrakech, Oualidia) and it was fine....
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.....except Marrakech, which was a nightmare. The old town area is really not suited to cars at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 2:46 pm 
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Once had a good holiday in S Morocco, mixture of great and v bad, in 1997.

Great bits were driving through the Atlas (the Tizian Test (sp?) road with its hairpins!), driving generally through towns mentioned above, also to Ouarzazate, the Todra and Dades gorges, down to that huge sand dune in the south east near Merzouga, , along the northern edge of the Sahara to Zagora, Taroudant, Essaouira, climbing up Mt Toubkal, generally meeting people outside Marrakesh, and the souks and Djemma in Marrakesh.

Downsides were general hassle from "guides", "friends" and "hosts" (we found the best defence was to hire one to chase the others away) in Marrakesh and Essaouira, an expensive sting that involved helping out locals stranded with a broken radiator on their car and driving them 30km before being allowed to buy expensive rugs from their Bedouin cousin at knock-down prices reserved for gullible idiots, and rescuing 3 English girls from an auberge in the middle of the desert near Merzouga - they'd been kept there for a week with the bus always coming tomorrow.

Also, having to turn down offer of 40 camels for said 3 girls and my own girlfriend. Other downside was seeing western women complaining at being ogled while displaying more flesh than Big Daddy.


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:09 pm 
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I was in Marrakech in April 2016 for a week with the wife and we had a wonderful time . Very safe , friendly people and great food are my abiding memories. We had a fantastic breakfast by the pool every morning which was usually followed by some sightseeing around the city then lounge by the pool eating the amazing fresh strawberries and olives we’d picked up in the market .

Embrace the markets they’re a totally different experience. It’s a very safe city for tourists but they’ll try and sell you the shirt off your back at every single opportunity. Have the craic and tell them where to go they’re usually good banter . You’ll see some mad stuff like lads driving through the market on a moped with a sheep under the arm . The markets are good though , you’ll get some bargains if you’re prepared to haggle . Try some street food and the fresh oj on sale everywhere
There’s some beautiful mosques and palaces worth a view but you won’t get into them unfortunately

Important tip , you’ll get locals coming up to you all the time asking if you need directions. Never let them lead you to where you’re looking for . It’s a local scam where they lead you a very long way round and then ask for money . We fell for it the first time, the guy asked for about a tenner for bringing us on a scenic tour to the taxi rank. I gave him a fiver and said good luck .

Atlas Mountains are amazing . We hired a taxi driver for the day to bring us on a tour . He picked us up
from our hotel at 9 and dropped us back at 5 or 6 and it cost us about 60 euro. Just remember though they’re all on commission from each other over there so he’s going to stop at every shop and stall along the way hoping you’ll buy a rug or an ornament of have a ride on a camel so he can get his cut . You’ll get to see the waterfalls and Berber village which are both amazing experiences

Any questions don’t be shy to ask . Enjoy your holiday :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 10:35 am 
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Cheers for those experiences and suggestions. Will definitely give some of them a shot. I think it would be a shame not to go to the Atlas Mountains so will try to organise a trip for a day for the both of us. Sadly my missus will not be keen on a 50km cycle so it'll have to be by taxi!


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 10:10 am 
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Got back last night.

What a full on place! In parts of it it was like stepping back in time, and then you have 'new' Marrakech with its lovely restaurants and trendy bars.

Liked the palaces, the various jardins, the Djemaa al Fna at night, the mosques and medrassa, the ornate doorways and arches and city gates and some of the markets. I found it a lot less aggressive and pushy when you got further into the market away from the main streets and actually bought from guys that were closer to some of the manufacturers. The food was also good, and if you're smart about where you go you can get some lovely tagines or cous cous for very cheap. I think the first night we paid about MAD67 (~€6) for a schwarma and a tagine and some waters, which was great. Prices not too much cheaper than Europe though for certain things. Service was shocking though in most places, which I'll put down to everyone being abit scatty during fasting. Went to a lovely French restaurant called Le Loft in the new city, very nice. Hard to get a beer in the medina alright, but there were one or two places that were nice and you sit on their terraces with a beer and get some great views of the streets below or over Marrakech itself.

Didn't like the pushy touts in the Djemaa al Fna trying to get you into their food stalls, one guy called me a "f**king plum" because I didn't eat in the stall he was touting for, and whilst he may have been correct I didn't really like it being screamed at my back when I walked away. I also didn't like the arseholes who accost you in a laneway claiming that such and such is closed, but they can show us the correct way - just piss off plum and let me walk. Haggling is fun but it gets very taxing when you have to do it for everything, especially if you're staying a bit outside the medina. But altogether it wasn't as aggressive as Happyhooker made out, and my missus didn't report any inappropriate grabbing (although she made the mistake of having a bit of cleavage one day which caused a lot of stares).

Ramadan didn't impact at all, although I noticed people were cranky and as the day wore on a few scuffles between people on motorbikes, or between vendors or touts. Apart from that I'd say Ramadan may have been a positive, lots of people came to party in the Djemaa after dark and the traditional Moroccan sweets were amazing.

Would like to see more of Morocco.


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 1:00 pm 
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Glad you enjoyed it more than I did.


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 Post subject: Re: Marrakech
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 1:32 pm 
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happyhooker wrote:
Glad you enjoyed it more than I did.


Took your advice on giving the monkey guys and snake charmers a bit of space. Didn't get into any uncomfortable positions, but did see some Brits trying to argue that they had no more money to some "guide".

Make no mistake it is grating to be constantly looked at as a mark.


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