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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:24 pm 
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The Furlong one was a penalty, nothing more.

Nah. Big hit, if we start penalising them the game is gone to shit. Sure, he technically went off his feet, but only because all his momentum was going that way. Once he'd removed Conway and fallen down, Furlong's body didn't prevent anyone else getting at the ball. Play the scenario, not the letter of the law.

The Kleyn one was very different because he targeted a prone player's head, who wasn't even interfering with the ball. All he had to do was bridge over the contact area and grab a handful of Byrne's jersey as he stood up and the ruck would have been formed and won. Instead it was a cheap shot. The fact that he went off his feet is almost secondary.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:28 pm 
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CM11 wrote:
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The Furlong one was a penalty, nothing more.


You could argue a penalty because it was technically illegal but you give that then there would have been another 10 or so penalties, min, in the game.


I agree 100% that that type of contact is not enforced at all, and to do so in this instance would be pretty inconsistent.

I'm arguing more the point that I think these sort of things should be refereed more consistently. There have been a lot of fairly minor illegal developments in the contact area over the past 10 years or so which have effectively become the norm (entering contact with arm down only to then allow the momentum of the contact to swing the arm around and give it a veneer of legality is a particular bugbear of mine). Allowing these sort of illegal multipliers is a big contributor to the increased forces experienced in rugby, and thus to increasing the dangers in the game.

Yes, I should stop being such a giant fucking pussy. But, I do believe that concussion and serious injuries are the biggest threat to the game of rugby at the moment, not just from any potential class action suits down the road, like with the NFL, but also from parents not allowing their kids to play it. I believe it is vital that rugby addresses these issues head on (excuse the pun), and just as importantly is seen to do so.


I don't disagree. It'd be great if we could go back to proper rucks.


I know it goes against everything I've pretty much just said above, but so long as its not to the head there's nothing wrong with a good shoeing.

Nolanator - if everyone kept their feet there'd be a much safer and much better contest for the ball. Having a bunch of players lying on the ground and calling that a ruck is letting the game go to shit!


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 3:32 pm 
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PornDog wrote:
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Diego wrote:
The Furlong one was a penalty, nothing more.


You could argue a penalty because it was technically illegal but you give that then there would have been another 10 or so penalties, min, in the game.


I agree 100% that that type of contact is not enforced at all, and to do so in this instance would be pretty inconsistent.

I'm arguing more the point that I think these sort of things should be refereed more consistently. There have been a lot of fairly minor illegal developments in the contact area over the past 10 years or so which have effectively become the norm (entering contact with arm down only to then allow the momentum of the contact to swing the arm around and give it a veneer of legality is a particular bugbear of mine). Allowing these sort of illegal multipliers is a big contributor to the increased forces experienced in rugby, and thus to increasing the dangers in the game.

Yes, I should stop being such a giant fucking pussy. But, I do believe that concussion and serious injuries are the biggest threat to the game of rugby at the moment, not just from any potential class action suits down the road, like with the NFL, but also from parents not allowing their kids to play it. I believe it is vital that rugby addresses these issues head on (excuse the pun), and just as importantly is seen to do so.


I don't disagree. It'd be great if we could go back to proper rucks.


I know it goes against everything I've pretty much just said above, but so long as its not to the head there's nothing wrong with a good shoeing.

Nolanator - if everyone kept their feet there'd be a much safer and much better contest for the ball. Having a bunch of players lying on the ground and calling that a ruck is letting the game go to shit!

I get the sentiment but in this day and age with players so good on the deck - its why there are hard hits.

I would be with Nols on this.


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I get your point, PornDog, but I just don't think it's one of the main issues in the game right now.
Give me a good clean blasting clear of a ruck, rather than a wrestle to win the ball. Reduces instances of neck rolls and provides the ball on a plate for the SH.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 5:08 pm 
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Nolanator wrote:
I get your point, PornDog, but I just don't think it's one of the main issues in the game right now.
Give me a good clean blasting clear of a ruck, rather than a wrestle to win the ball. Reduces instances of neck rolls and provides the ball on a plate for the SH.


Yup. Kleyn was a seriously lucky Saffer IMHO.

A belated congrats ye hoors. Mind you go on and win the thing now FFS.

I'm rugby'd out. Honest to God wish we weren't going anywhere on tour this Summer.


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I get your point, PornDog, but I just don't think it's one of the main issues in the game right now.
Give me a good clean blasting clear of a ruck, rather than a wrestle to win the ball. Reduces instances of neck rolls and provides the ball on a plate for the SH.


Yup. Kleyn was a seriously lucky Saffer IMHO.

A belated congrats ye hoors. Mind you go on and win the thing now FFS.

I'm rugby'd out. Honest to God wish we weren't going anywhere on tour this Summer.


Give it a fortnight and you'll be mad for the summer tests again.


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Liathroidigloine wrote:
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Nolanator wrote:
I get your point, PornDog, but I just don't think it's one of the main issues in the game right now.
Give me a good clean blasting clear of a ruck, rather than a wrestle to win the ball. Reduces instances of neck rolls and provides the ball on a plate for the SH.


Yup. Kleyn was a seriously lucky Saffer IMHO.

A belated congrats ye hoors. Mind you go on and win the thing now FFS.

I'm rugby'd out. Honest to God wish we weren't going anywhere on tour this Summer.


Give it a fortnight and you'll be mad for the summer tests again.


Was on the travels and met a shedload of Saffers; growing regard for Irish rugby the common feature - even a few years back there tended to be both a lack of appreciation and even knowledge of Irish rugby from them unless they'd lived up these parts.

Also more than a few muttering darkly about how prevalent pushing the rehab envelope (my words) is down there amongst younger players. Even 'traditional' types who might long for the utter physical dominance so beloved of Saffers are saying that the game can't go on with the level of attrition it currently has. Something's got to give. Either shorten seasons, control gametime (sort of Irish style) or change rules etc. Interesting conversations...


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redderneck wrote:
Liathroidigloine wrote:
redderneck wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
I get your point, PornDog, but I just don't think it's one of the main issues in the game right now.
Give me a good clean blasting clear of a ruck, rather than a wrestle to win the ball. Reduces instances of neck rolls and provides the ball on a plate for the SH.


Yup. Kleyn was a seriously lucky Saffer IMHO.

A belated congrats ye hoors. Mind you go on and win the thing now FFS.

I'm rugby'd out. Honest to God wish we weren't going anywhere on tour this Summer.


Give it a fortnight and you'll be mad for the summer tests again.


Was on the travels and met a shedload of Saffers; growing regard for Irish rugby the common feature - even a few years back there tended to be both a lack of appreciation and even knowledge of Irish rugby from them unless they'd lived up these parts.

Also more than a few muttering darkly about how prevalent pushing the rehab envelope (my words) is down there amongst younger players. Even 'traditional' types who might long for the utter physical dominance so beloved of Saffers are saying that the game can't go on with the level of attrition it currently has. Something's got to give. Either shorten seasons, control gametime (sort of Irish style) or change rules etc. Interesting conversations...


Maximum team weight like with Tug of war!


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 5:36 pm 
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Austin Healy pointed out the problem years ago.

All this idiotic shite with the TMO has games taking forever.

Lads don't need to be as fit as they did around 2000 - 2005.


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Mullet 2 wrote:
Austin Healy pointed out the problem years ago.

All this idiotic shite with the TMO has games taking forever.

Lads don't need to be as fit as they did around 2000 - 2005.

Sounds like a ref whinge mullet.


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Opposite actually.

Back to the old days when the refs call was gospel and we didn't spend 20 minutes looking at the camera.


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Luke McGrath really needs to work on his box kicking. It was atrocious.
He was virtually inviting Munster to counter attack every time he kicked incontestable balls down the centre of the pitch.


The problem was the instruction to box kick with a wind at his back.

Leo needs to cop on a bit.

Or they did some analysis and found Munster weren't going to create much from that far out.



Well that analysis was pants then.

Earls and Conway were both very sharp

Not really. They as a team lack the ability to create chances from that far out. This might seem like a cheap shot at the back 3, but I mean more the rest of the team.

At one point just before the try, McGrath kicked long to Earls who "Kearneyed" and ran the ball back into 2 defenders in the middle of our 10m line (think we gained about 15-20metres), Munster tried to move it wide only for a pass to bounce to Conway who proceeded to chip the ball back to us. We regathered but got turned over at the breakdown and they scored. Really dreadful clearout from Ruddock on Copeland and Dev was ruck inspecting. The problem wasn't the kick, though that was how I remembered it at the time.

About 55 mins, we get a peno, go to the maul at our 22. McGrath kicks long to Earls who knocks on just inside his own half, he'd Larmour and Conan bearing down on him.

They did gain about 30m going to the far touchline from another one to Zebo around 60 mins, but wait for it, they kicked it away and we regathered at the 22 and ran it back to just before the 10m line.

At 62 mins, Byrne kicks long into the Munster 22 behind Earls in acres of space who calls a mark.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:12 pm 
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Nah

Nearly cost us the game and gave them the mo


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:16 pm 
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That's as good as clear out as you'll see. He's bound.

Full article on the try here

http://www.the42.ie/analysis-leinster-conan-try-munster-basics-4025216-May2018/?utm_source=shortlink


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:34 pm 
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Mullet 2 wrote:
Nah

Nearly cost us the game and gave them the mo

Bar the knock-on, they kicked the ball back to us every time.

I wouldn't like to see us doing it against a team like Scarlets, but Munster can't counter from deep like them.


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