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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:38 pm 
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I think this is a big ask and traditionally we've always lost after the Heineken Cup final (right?). Hangover, injuries to Isa and Sexton and fatigue will all play a part.


Two games isn't much of a sample size though. Plus, 2011 was away, and the Ospreys were a bit of a bogey team Heineken Cup or no Heineken Cup (lost 2010 home final to them)

The Ospreys were being badly beaten until our young props started getting yellow carded for being munched.
Was it a 6 day turnaround.

Think Jack McGrath also had to play TH.

Can’t imagine the amount of pints Mike Ross drank that week.


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When Munster have their backs to the wall, there's no tougher team in the world to face, as they say.
The passion and fury will be something to behold.


From everybody but their cheapskate fans who have decided to stay home.

They can't even be bothered to do a 2 hour drive to Dublin.
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You'd imagine Munster will be very fired up for this one, what with it being so close to the 10th anniversary of their last major trophy win. The fact that it's also against their closest rivals who happen to be the reigning Euro champs makes it a perfect storm really.


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You'd imagine Munster will be very fired up for this one, what with it being so close to the 10th anniversary of their last major trophy win. The fact that it's also against their closest rivals who happen to be the reigning Euro champs makes it a perfect storm really.


Just 4 days shy of their 10th anniversary..... will they have armbands ?


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You'd imagine Munster will be very fired up for this one, what with it being so close to the 10th anniversary of their last major trophy win. The fact that it's also against their closest rivals who happen to be the reigning Euro champs makes it a perfect storm really.


Just 4 days shy of their 10th anniversary..... will they have armbands ?

There's a great opportunity for a celebration of the two great Irish teams on Saturday. You could have the teams from each sides last euro win do a lap of honour at half time, although the Leinster lads might be a bit busy. It'd be nice for the kids to learn some Irish rugby history too.


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You'd imagine Munster will be very fired up for this one, what with it being so close to the 10th anniversary of their last major trophy win. The fact that it's also against their closest rivals who happen to be the reigning Euro champs makes it a perfect storm really.


Just 4 days shy of their 10th anniversary..... will they have armbands ?

There's a great opportunity for a celebration of the two great Irish teams on Saturday. You could have the teams from each sides last euro win do a lap of honour at half time, although the Leinster lads might be a bit busy. It'd be nice for the kids to learn some Irish rugby history too.


:lol: :lol:


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I wonder will Hanrahan start? I thought he genuinely was going to be the business a few years ago. That try he scored with the step against Castres was incredible at the time. You see him now and he is just ordinary. Such a shame.


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I hope he does start and is given a run of games at the start of next season.


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Who:

All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.

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A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.

Where:

The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.

Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.

:) You'd never know, though.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:08 am 
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Friends, who should I support in this game?


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:12 am 
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Who:

All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.

VS

A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.

Where:

The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.

Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.

:) You'd never know, though.


there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:23 am 
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irishrugbyua wrote:
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Who:

All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.

VS

A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.

Where:

The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.

Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.

:) You'd never know, though.


there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000

Not the way I'll be telling it.


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Possible team from the Irish Times:

Leinster (possible): J Carbery; J Larmour, G Ringrose, I Nacewa, J Lowe; R Byrne, L McGrath; J McGrath, S Cronin, T Furlong; D Toner, J Ryan; R Ruddock, J Murphy, J Conan.


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irishrugbyua wrote:
Possible team from the Irish Times:

Leinster (possible): J Carbery; J Larmour, G Ringrose, I Nacewa, J Lowe; R Byrne, L McGrath; J McGrath, S Cronin, T Furlong; D Toner, J Ryan; R Ruddock, J Murphy, J Conan.


I approve.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:18 pm 
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irishrugbyua wrote:
Possible team from the Irish Times:

Leinster (possible): J Carbery; J Larmour, G Ringrose, I Nacewa, J Lowe; R Byrne, L McGrath; J McGrath, S Cronin, T Furlong; D Toner, J Ryan; R Ruddock, J Murphy, J Conan.


30 points.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:34 pm 
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Friends, who should I support in this game?


Who do you hate less?


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irishrugbyua wrote:
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Who:

All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.

VS

A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.

Where:

The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.

Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.

:) You'd never know, though.


there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000


I find it fascinating that so many people can't comprehend the fact that most Munster tickets were bought during the public sale.


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Munster-fogs wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Massey Ferguson wrote:
Who:

All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.

VS

A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.

Where:

The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.

Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.

:) You'd never know, though.


there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000


I find it fascinating that so many people can't comprehend the fact that most Munster tickets were bought during the public sale.


The public sale that sold out instantly?


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I wonder will Hanrahan start? I thought he genuinely was going to be the business a few years ago. That try he scored with the step against Castres was incredible at the time. You see him now and he is just ordinary. Such a shame.


Hopefully. He could spectacularly win it or spectacularly lose it for us. Either way he needs games for next season


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CM11 wrote:
Munster-fogs wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Massey Ferguson wrote:
Who:

All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.

VS

A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.

Where:

The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.

Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.

:) You'd never know, though.


there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000


I find it fascinating that so many people can't comprehend the fact that most Munster tickets were bought during the public sale.


The public sale that sold out instantly?


a lot of which went to munster fans IMO


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I doubt too many tickets made it to public sale before the returns. STHs got to buy theirs, then additional ones, plus the chunk of tickets that got sent to Munster.

Anyway it's great that it sold out. Hopefully there's plenty of noise.


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Matches between the provinces never short of an edge but the tribes have amalgamated
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December 2001, the Celtic League final at Lansdowne Road, and all hell is about to break loose.

Munster are shredding the Leinster forwards. The ball bounces off Leo Cullen’s head into Jim Williams palm but he’s met by fellow Australian Keith Gleeson. A 22-year-old Paul O’Connell, Frankie Sheahan and Mick Galwey lump themselves over the ball. Alan Quinlan picks and turns to form a maul (you used to be allowed do that) as Marcus Horan and Peter Clohessy get stuck in. O’Connell peels left, Anthony Foley peels right as blue jerseys are scattered.

The maul collapses but before Williams can carry some more Eric Miller boots a prostrate Foley. He finds the sweet spot right in front Welsh referee Nigel Whitehouse who immediately blows his whistle. Galwey grabs Miller. Victor Costello grabs Galwey. The Claw arrives. Reggie Corrigan calms them down. Paul Wallace – Munster by birth, Leinster by the grace of employment – exchanges words with a strategically late arriving Ronan O’Gara while Quinlan, professional talker then and now, needs herding away by Galway.

Anarchy simmers as Whitehouse pulls a red card from his sock, “Six, away you go.”

“Captains!” he summons. “It is a kick. I have no other alternative but to put him off . . . Calm them down.”

There are only 25 minutes on the clock with Munster, already established as a European force, leading 7-6.

“The courage the players showed was incredible,” said Matt Williams way back when he was Leinster coach. “Everything was against us – a great side, a point against us, a man down and everyone saying we would crash. They didn’t crash, they stood and went for it and won a very famous victory.”

Denis Hickie, Gordon D’Arcy and Shane Horgan stretched their legs as it finished 24-20.

This wasn’t the start of anything for either province. The animosity was already embedded from club days when Shannon, Cork Con, Garryowen and Young Munster journeyed up to Templeville Road, Stradbrook, the Lansdowne back pitch and vice versa on Tom Clifford’s killing field, Temple Hill and Dooradoyle.

This spectacle merely provided confirmation that the tribes had amalgamated. The love triangle – Felipe, Rog, Leamy – was still a few seasons off.

October 2009, a sticky RDS night, and Munster are beaten all ends up. Trailing 20-0 with bubbling animosity and 27 minutes still to play, Simon McDowell is swallowed by a lineout when Denis Fogarty throws early. Ructions; Stan Wright and Denis Leamy exchange meaty but inaccurate punches and the officials have no idea what is really going on. Eoin Reddan, another blue-clad child of Limerick, natters in the referee’s ear.

“Number three and six, you are here to play rugby, leave the rest to me.”

Leamy appears to disagree with this plan. The crowd sense impending violence. O’Connell forms his maul but by then long Leinster levers hold firm. McDowell’s whistle gets a loud shrill when Leamy attempts to tear Nathan Hines’ head from his body. But something far worse has happened down below. When the steam evaporates dark blood pours from Cian Healy’s eye brow. The young prop needs serious attention but he’s up looking for any one of them, all of them will do.

Leinster’s Victor Costello is tackled by Munster’s Jim Williams and Rob Henderson. Photograph: Billy Stickland/Inpho
Leinster’s Victor Costello is tackled by Munster’s Jim Williams and Rob Henderson. Photograph: Billy Stickland/Inpho
O’Connell switches into Kofi Annan mode, “Are you allowed collapse the maul?”

“Keep him back,” McDowell instructs Jamie Heaslip as Professor Arthur Tanner finally gets hold of Healy to clean the mess. Cullen sarcastically claps his hands and gives the red captain a thumbs up.

The ref understandably missed the trampling but his linesman intervenes, “Three red stamp to the head.”

O’Connell leans down: “He has to go. Three blue.”

McDowell, perhaps thrown by this helpful intervention, needs to triple check that it’s “three red?”

As the card comes out for John Hayes, O’Connell roars, “He was pulling the maul down. Ah ref, no way!” Leamy is less diplomatic, “That’s a joke.” A lovely Cork lilt chimes in, to further frazzle the Ulster official, as Johnny Sexton calmly lines up another three points.

“John’s an excellent character and the type of person he is, it’s very difficult to see him put himself in a position like that,” said Munster coach Tony McGahan before the disciplinary hearing. “We have our own views and John’s views on the situation, but there was certainly no intent there whatsoever. We’ve the best people on the job so we’ll let it play out.”

There will be more blood this Saturday, but really they love each other. The Bull’s ban was reduced by a week, for good behaviour, allowing the opposing props to pal up for Healy’s international debut against Australia.

Two years later in Thomond Park, a Keith Earls special and scrum-penalty-try captured Munster’s last trophy in a fine mugging the week after Leinster’s miracle match at the Millennium stadium.

Plenty of historical precedent then.


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I think the only hope we have of winning this is to adopt mostly what Racing done, and flood the breakdown, our front 5 which have been utter crap, outside of scrums, recently need to get the finger out in this regard and lineout time. I can see Cloete starting for this.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:33 am 
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I doubt too many tickets made it to public sale before the returns. STHs got to buy theirs, then additional ones, plus the chunk of tickets that got sent to Munster.


Exactly. If most Munster fans got their tickets in the public sale, there won't be many there. Either way, I'd be surprised if they got hold of 40%+ of the tickets but certainly some will have gotten them via Leinster friends or might even be ticket holders themselves.

I'd be very disappointed if only 10000 Leinster fans were there.

On the article above, still a shame Hayes got that red card as a blot on his career.


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The rumoured team doesn't have Leavy in it which is madness.


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The rumoured team doesn't have Leavy in it which is madness.


bench hopefully.


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The rumoured team doesn't have Leavy in it which is madness.


Not that surprising though.


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http://www.the42.ie/leinster-v-munster- ... 5-May2018/

See the pic of Martin Cahill. We've come a long way in terms of prop conditioning!


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Went to have a look at the team from the semi last year, have to say I thought it was weaker but one area where we'll be miles ahead is second row. Molony and Triggs v Toner and Ryan. Otherwise it was a stronger backline last year although primarily due to Sexton (and he played shite) and similar front and back rows.

If they're focused they should just about do it. I'd say Munster will want it more though.


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the team we sent to thomond and won with was taking the piss a bit in retrospect.

15. Larmour
14. Daly
13. ROL
12. Henshaw
11. Lowe
10. Byrne
9. JGP
8. Conan
7. Leavy
6. Jordi
5. Ryan
4. Toner
3. Bent
2. Tracy
1. McGrath
16. Strauss
17. Byrne
18. Furlong
19. Kearney
20. JVDF
21. McCarthy
22. Marsh
23. Reid


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 9:59 am 
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I think the only hope we have of winning this is to adopt mostly what Racing done, and flood the breakdown, our front 5 which have been utter crap, outside of scrums, recently need to get the finger out in this regard and lineout time. I can see Cloete starting for this.


the weather helped racing that day. not so for munster tomorrow.


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the team we sent to thomond and won with was taking the piss a bit in retrospect.

15. Larmour
14. Daly
13. ROL
12. Henshaw
11. Lowe
10. Byrne
9. JGP
8. Conan
7. Leavy
6. Jordi
5. Ryan
4. Toner
3. Bent
2. Tracy
1. McGrath
16. Strauss
17. Byrne
18. Furlong
19. Kearney
20. JVDF
21. McCarthy
22. Marsh
23. Reid


I'd forgotten ROL played in that game and now that you remind me, he was very good that day, wasn't he? Last decent game from him.


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The big difference between that team, and the teams that were losing at the end of the Pro 14 season is the second row. Toner and Ryan shit from a height on the likes of Nagle and Kearney.


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Liam Toland: Munster need to emotionally drain Leinster to prevail
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There’s a certain irony in this weekend’s fixtures that only two sides across the Guinness Pro14 won 15 games in the regular season – both Scottish. That Edinburgh found themselves in the play-off with Munster tells us plenty, with the Scottish side third in their conference behind both Leinster and Scarlets, despite winning one more game.

Bonus points can do that to you, but Edinburgh won two more games than Munster. “Them’s the rules” I suppose, but it does tell us a lot about differing styles. The big question tomorrow is what style will Munster employ as they try to put Leinster back in that dark place they found themselves in Bilbao? That’s all Johann van Graan can hope to do. Whether they can close out from there is reliant on many external factors – referee, luck, injuries etc . . .

What can Munster do tomorrow that no one in Europe could, but six other sides managed in the regular Guinness Pro14 season?

To answer this, we ‘obviously’ know how to beat Leinster, or at least push them to the brink. There’s a cause and effect to everything. That the Scarlets couldn’t target the Leinster cause in their European semi-final made Racing’s successful effort fascinating, especially when digging down through the stats.

In the final, Racing had one scrum in the entire match. This is phenomenal testament to the quality of handling from Leinster, especially as Leo Cullen’s side made almost 50 per cent more passes than Racing. Time and again, James Ryan and others received the ball in heavy traffic only to make precious yards when yards were at a premium. Time and again, Johnny Sexton, in trying to open a welded-shut Racing defence, pushed the pass right on the gainline. That Leinster afforded Racing just one scrum (compared to six of their own) was immense. It shows that cheap turnovers were kept to a minimum.

Isolated

Stylistically, with just 38 per cent of possession against Edinburgh in their Pro14 play-off, Munster managed to outkick Leinster 36 to 27. Leinster had way more possession (over 60 per cent) and chose not to kick, limiting Racing to a much slower start than they enjoyed against Munster. Leinster simply chose to keep the ball in hand whereas Munster chose the aerial route.

That the Leinster front rows had “quiet” games was a nod to the impact Racing made on Leinster’s ball control. Sixty-two per cent in the first half, giving up precious few Racing steals. That is down to many things, but shows the Leinster frontrow dedicated time and technique to guarantee that no man was left isolated. Turnovers did occur, but nowhere near the extent Racing have inflicted on other teams. Players like Tadhg Furlong were able to adapt and transition from his more familiar role around the ball, to a more crucial one helping the ball carrier when isolated on the deck.

Emotional fatigue is now a real danger to Leinster. Munster need to create some emotional doubt. All week Leinster will, I’m sure, be focusing on this issue. How to get themselves back up for the onslaught coming from Munster. The real challenge for Munster is in the knowledge that they don’t have the same armoury as Racing. I noted on Monday the impact of Donnacha Ryan’s shoulder injury had on Racing’s inability to drive their advantage home. For 70 minutes he was unable to lift in the defensive lineouts, but he was also unable to lift in Racing’s lineouts also. In essence, this one injury cost Racing the most. Ironically, Ryan has arguably cost Munster the most. He beat Munster in Paris and the void created by his departure has yet to be filled.

Best performance

Peter O’Mahony stated this week that “It’s gonna be hard, probably the hardest game we play all year, but it has to be our best performance”. So what qualifies as their best performance? It will require at least parity in the secondrow battle where Jean Kleyn will be pivotal. In the bigger matches he needs more from his secondrow partner, not just in terms of physical impact but creativity, lines of running and so on. A setpiece, can Munster disrupt Leinster ball? We know O’Mahony is world class in this department but can the Munster secondrows also bring something to the party?

The scrum is another area where it looks like tighthead Stephen Archer’s recent surgery will impact Munster’s ability to disrupt. Archer has been consistently starting, with the added might of John Ryan coming off the bench in an extremely strong closing scrum. But with only seven scrums in Bilbao, each precious opportunity to pile on the emotional fatigue on to Leinster will be vital. Any tiny advantage needs to be converted into scores in order to drain Leinster emotionally.

Ultimately Munster will get the ball, so how will they use it? Conor Murray and a kicking game will only provide them with so many opportunities. An obvious alternative is to utilise their back three. But how loose are Munster prepared to become to get Simon Zebo flying?

Finally, a word on Girvan Dempsey. What an opportunity for him and his family heading to the beautiful city of Bath where this is a total win for Todd Blackadder. Getting a backs coach of the calibre of Dempsey is enormous; that he is coming from Leinster is an added bonus not lost, I’d imagine, on the entire English Premiership. When at first you can’t beat them, poach them!


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Really not sure how I feel about resting people for this game. It's a playoff game against their biggest rivals. If that doesn't call for the best 23 I don't know what does.


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When Munster have their backs to the wall, there's no tougher team in the world to face, as they say.
The passion and fury will be something to behold.


From everybody but their cheapskate fans who have decided to stay home.

They can't even be bothered to do a 2 hour drive to Dublin.
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I think the Lunsters have finally given up the ghost.


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Didn't realise Edinburgh had that many wins. Good season for them, even if it ultimately wasn't reflected at the end.


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Really not sure how I feel about resting people for this game. It's a playoff game against their biggest rivals. If that doesn't call for the best 23 I don't know what does.


for all the talk the pro 14 is clearly a secondary competition.

If Leavy, Fardy, Healy etc. on the bench it will be a bit of a joke.


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Diego wrote:
Really not sure how I feel about resting people for this game. It's a playoff game against their biggest rivals. If that doesn't call for the best 23 I don't know what does.


Not many rested though if the team is as rumoured. Rotation sure and there's certainly an argument for Lowe ahead of Fardy with Henshaw and Sexton out.

Bottom line is that we want to win the competition and that might only be possible by both freshening up the team for tomorrow and giving a breather to some who will hopefully play in the final.


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