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Just 4 days shy of their 10th anniversary..... will they have armbands ?Diego wrote:You'd imagine Munster will be very fired up for this one, what with it being so close to the 10th anniversary of their last major trophy win. The fact that it's also against their closest rivals who happen to be the reigning Euro champs makes it a perfect storm really.
There's a great opportunity for a celebration of the two great Irish teams on Saturday. You could have the teams from each sides last euro win do a lap of honour at half time, although the Leinster lads might be a bit busy. It'd be nice for the kids to learn some Irish rugby history too.The Sun God wrote:Just 4 days shy of their 10th anniversary..... will they have armbands ?Diego wrote:You'd imagine Munster will be very fired up for this one, what with it being so close to the 10th anniversary of their last major trophy win. The fact that it's also against their closest rivals who happen to be the reigning Euro champs makes it a perfect storm really.
Diego wrote:There's a great opportunity for a celebration of the two great Irish teams on Saturday. You could have the teams from each sides last euro win do a lap of honour at half time, although the Leinster lads might be a bit busy. It'd be nice for the kids to learn some Irish rugby history too.The Sun God wrote:Just 4 days shy of their 10th anniversary..... will they have armbands ?Diego wrote:You'd imagine Munster will be very fired up for this one, what with it being so close to the 10th anniversary of their last major trophy win. The fact that it's also against their closest rivals who happen to be the reigning Euro champs makes it a perfect storm really.
You'd never know, though.there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000Massey Ferguson wrote:Who:
All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.
VS
A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.
Where:
The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.
Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.
Not the way I'll be telling it.irishrugbyua wrote:there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000Massey Ferguson wrote:Who:
All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.
VS
A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.
Where:
The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.
Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.
I approve.irishrugbyua wrote:Possible team from the Irish Times:
Leinster (possible): J Carbery; J Larmour, G Ringrose, I Nacewa, J Lowe; R Byrne, L McGrath; J McGrath, S Cronin, T Furlong; D Toner, J Ryan; R Ruddock, J Murphy, J Conan.
30 points.irishrugbyua wrote:Possible team from the Irish Times:
Leinster (possible): J Carbery; J Larmour, G Ringrose, I Nacewa, J Lowe; R Byrne, L McGrath; J McGrath, S Cronin, T Furlong; D Toner, J Ryan; R Ruddock, J Murphy, J Conan.
Who do you hate less?Kid A wrote:Friends, who should I support in this game?
I find it fascinating that so many people can't comprehend the fact that most Munster tickets were bought during the public sale.irishrugbyua wrote:there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000Massey Ferguson wrote:Who:
All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.
VS
A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.
Where:
The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.
Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.
The public sale that sold out instantly?Munster-fogs wrote:I find it fascinating that so many people can't comprehend the fact that most Munster tickets were bought during the public sale.irishrugbyua wrote:there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000Massey Ferguson wrote:Who:
All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.
VS
A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.
Where:
The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.
Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.
Hopefully. He could spectacularly win it or spectacularly lose it for us. Either way he needs games for next seasonSissyfuss wrote:I wonder will Hanrahan start? I thought he genuinely was going to be the business a few years ago. That try he scored with the step against Castres was incredible at the time. You see him now and he is just ordinary. Such a shame.
a lot of which went to munster fans IMOCM11 wrote:The public sale that sold out instantly?Munster-fogs wrote:I find it fascinating that so many people can't comprehend the fact that most Munster tickets were bought during the public sale.irishrugbyua wrote:there will be a decent munster crowd at it 7-8000Massey Ferguson wrote:Who:
All-conquering Leinster, euro champs, (mostly) 6N champs, a team full to the brim of outrageously talented young lads with a sprinkling of veteran winners.
VS
A perpetually in-transition and out of sorts Munster.
Where:
The RDS, in front of a sell-out crowd of 95% Leinster superfans and a handful of Munster atheists.
Barring a choke of Van de Velde proportions, there can only be one result.
Leinster and Munster set to add to a history of friendly violence
Matches between the provinces never short of an edge but the tribes have amalgamated
about 3 hours ago
Gavin Cummiskey
0
December 2001, the Celtic League final at Lansdowne Road, and all hell is about to break loose.
Munster are shredding the Leinster forwards. The ball bounces off Leo Cullen’s head into Jim Williams palm but he’s met by fellow Australian Keith Gleeson. A 22-year-old Paul O’Connell, Frankie Sheahan and Mick Galwey lump themselves over the ball. Alan Quinlan picks and turns to form a maul (you used to be allowed do that) as Marcus Horan and Peter Clohessy get stuck in. O’Connell peels left, Anthony Foley peels right as blue jerseys are scattered.
The maul collapses but before Williams can carry some more Eric Miller boots a prostrate Foley. He finds the sweet spot right in front Welsh referee Nigel Whitehouse who immediately blows his whistle. Galwey grabs Miller. Victor Costello grabs Galwey. The Claw arrives. Reggie Corrigan calms them down. Paul Wallace – Munster by birth, Leinster by the grace of employment – exchanges words with a strategically late arriving Ronan O’Gara while Quinlan, professional talker then and now, needs herding away by Galway.
Anarchy simmers as Whitehouse pulls a red card from his sock, “Six, away you go.”
“Captains!” he summons. “It is a kick. I have no other alternative but to put him off . . . Calm them down.”
There are only 25 minutes on the clock with Munster, already established as a European force, leading 7-6.
“The courage the players showed was incredible,” said Matt Williams way back when he was Leinster coach. “Everything was against us – a great side, a point against us, a man down and everyone saying we would crash. They didn’t crash, they stood and went for it and won a very famous victory.”
Denis Hickie, Gordon D’Arcy and Shane Horgan stretched their legs as it finished 24-20.
This wasn’t the start of anything for either province. The animosity was already embedded from club days when Shannon, Cork Con, Garryowen and Young Munster journeyed up to Templeville Road, Stradbrook, the Lansdowne back pitch and vice versa on Tom Clifford’s killing field, Temple Hill and Dooradoyle.
This spectacle merely provided confirmation that the tribes had amalgamated. The love triangle – Felipe, Rog, Leamy – was still a few seasons off.
October 2009, a sticky RDS night, and Munster are beaten all ends up. Trailing 20-0 with bubbling animosity and 27 minutes still to play, Simon McDowell is swallowed by a lineout when Denis Fogarty throws early. Ructions; Stan Wright and Denis Leamy exchange meaty but inaccurate punches and the officials have no idea what is really going on. Eoin Reddan, another blue-clad child of Limerick, natters in the referee’s ear.
“Number three and six, you are here to play rugby, leave the rest to me.”
Leamy appears to disagree with this plan. The crowd sense impending violence. O’Connell forms his maul but by then long Leinster levers hold firm. McDowell’s whistle gets a loud shrill when Leamy attempts to tear Nathan Hines’ head from his body. But something far worse has happened down below. When the steam evaporates dark blood pours from Cian Healy’s eye brow. The young prop needs serious attention but he’s up looking for any one of them, all of them will do.
Leinster’s Victor Costello is tackled by Munster’s Jim Williams and Rob Henderson. Photograph: Billy Stickland/Inpho
Leinster’s Victor Costello is tackled by Munster’s Jim Williams and Rob Henderson. Photograph: Billy Stickland/Inpho
O’Connell switches into Kofi Annan mode, “Are you allowed collapse the maul?”
“Keep him back,” McDowell instructs Jamie Heaslip as Professor Arthur Tanner finally gets hold of Healy to clean the mess. Cullen sarcastically claps his hands and gives the red captain a thumbs up.
The ref understandably missed the trampling but his linesman intervenes, “Three red stamp to the head.”
O’Connell leans down: “He has to go. Three blue.”
McDowell, perhaps thrown by this helpful intervention, needs to triple check that it’s “three red?”
As the card comes out for John Hayes, O’Connell roars, “He was pulling the maul down. Ah ref, no way!” Leamy is less diplomatic, “That’s a joke.” A lovely Cork lilt chimes in, to further frazzle the Ulster official, as Johnny Sexton calmly lines up another three points.
“John’s an excellent character and the type of person he is, it’s very difficult to see him put himself in a position like that,” said Munster coach Tony McGahan before the disciplinary hearing. “We have our own views and John’s views on the situation, but there was certainly no intent there whatsoever. We’ve the best people on the job so we’ll let it play out.”
There will be more blood this Saturday, but really they love each other. The Bull’s ban was reduced by a week, for good behaviour, allowing the opposing props to pal up for Healy’s international debut against Australia.
Two years later in Thomond Park, a Keith Earls special and scrum-penalty-try captured Munster’s last trophy in a fine mugging the week after Leinster’s miracle match at the Millennium stadium.
Plenty of historical precedent then.
Exactly. If most Munster fans got their tickets in the public sale, there won't be many there. Either way, I'd be surprised if they got hold of 40%+ of the tickets but certainly some will have gotten them via Leinster friends or might even be ticket holders themselves.danthefan wrote:I doubt too many tickets made it to public sale before the returns. STHs got to buy theirs, then additional ones, plus the chunk of tickets that got sent to Munster.
bench hopefully.danthefan wrote:The rumoured team doesn't have Leavy in it which is madness.
Not that surprising though.danthefan wrote:The rumoured team doesn't have Leavy in it which is madness.
the weather helped racing that day. not so for munster tomorrow.MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:I think the only hope we have of winning this is to adopt mostly what Racing done, and flood the breakdown, our front 5 which have been utter crap, outside of scrums, recently need to get the finger out in this regard and lineout time. I can see Cloete starting for this.
I'd forgotten ROL played in that game and now that you remind me, he was very good that day, wasn't he? Last decent game from him.irishrugbyua wrote:the team we sent to thomond and won with was taking the piss a bit in retrospect.
15. Larmour
14. Daly
13. ROL
12. Henshaw
11. Lowe
10. Byrne
9. JGP
8. Conan
7. Leavy
6. Jordi
5. Ryan
4. Toner
3. Bent
2. Tracy
1. McGrath
16. Strauss
17. Byrne
18. Furlong
19. Kearney
20. JVDF
21. McCarthy
22. Marsh
23. Reid
I think the Lunsters have finally given up the ghost.Floppykid wrote:They can't even be bothered to do a 2 hour drive to Dublin.The Sun God wrote:From everybody but their cheapskate fans who have decided to stay home.Floppykid wrote:When Munster have their backs to the wall, there's no tougher team in the world to face, as they say.
The passion and fury will be something to behold.
for all the talk the pro 14 is clearly a secondary competition.Diego wrote:Really not sure how I feel about resting people for this game. It's a playoff game against their biggest rivals. If that doesn't call for the best 23 I don't know what does.
Not many rested though if the team is as rumoured. Rotation sure and there's certainly an argument for Lowe ahead of Fardy with Henshaw and Sexton out.Diego wrote:Really not sure how I feel about resting people for this game. It's a playoff game against their biggest rivals. If that doesn't call for the best 23 I don't know what does.
I don't know if it's really resting players when you make a few judicial changes in the team to keep things fresh and stave off fatigue/complacency. Bringing Conan and Ruddock into the starting team is hardly insulting or underestimating Munster.Diego wrote:Really not sure how I feel about resting people for this game. It's a playoff game against their biggest rivals. If that doesn't call for the best 23 I don't know what does.
I'm talking more about leaving Kearney and Leavy out.Nolanator wrote:I don't know if it's really resting players when you make a few judicial changes in the team to keep things fresh and stave off fatigue/complacency. Bringing Conan and Ruddock into the starting team is hardly insulting or underestimating Munster.Diego wrote:Really not sure how I feel about resting people for this game. It's a playoff game against their biggest rivals. If that doesn't call for the best 23 I don't know what does.
2001 great day that, great result with 14 man but in the end a lot of the players said it might have been better if they lost that game as they felt it came too easy for them and they didn't work hard enough in the following years.Diego wrote:Leinster and Munster set to add to a history of friendly violence
Matches between the provinces never short of an edge but the tribes have amalgamated
about 3 hours ago
Gavin Cummiskey
0
December 2001, the Celtic League final at Lansdowne Road, and all hell is about to break loose.
Munster are shredding the Leinster forwards. The ball bounces off Leo Cullen’s head into Jim Williams palm but he’s met by fellow Australian Keith Gleeson. A 22-year-old Paul O’Connell, Frankie Sheahan and Mick Galwey lump themselves over the ball. Alan Quinlan picks and turns to form a maul (you used to be allowed do that) as Marcus Horan and Peter Clohessy get stuck in. O’Connell peels left, Anthony Foley peels right as blue jerseys are scattered.
The maul collapses but before Williams can carry some more Eric Miller boots a prostrate Foley. He finds the sweet spot right in front Welsh referee Nigel Whitehouse who immediately blows his whistle. Galwey grabs Miller. Victor Costello grabs Galwey. The Claw arrives. Reggie Corrigan calms them down. Paul Wallace – Munster by birth, Leinster by the grace of employment – exchanges words with a strategically late arriving Ronan O’Gara while Quinlan, professional talker then and now, needs herding away by Galway.
Anarchy simmers as Whitehouse pulls a red card from his sock, “Six, away you go.”
“Captains!” he summons. “It is a kick. I have no other alternative but to put him off . . . Calm them down.”
There are only 25 minutes on the clock with Munster, already established as a European force, leading 7-6.
“The courage the players showed was incredible,” said Matt Williams way back when he was Leinster coach. “Everything was against us – a great side, a point against us, a man down and everyone saying we would crash. They didn’t crash, they stood and went for it and won a very famous victory.”
Denis Hickie, Gordon D’Arcy and Shane Horgan stretched their legs as it finished 24-20.
This wasn’t the start of anything for either province. The animosity was already embedded from club days when Shannon, Cork Con, Garryowen and Young Munster journeyed up to Templeville Road, Stradbrook, the Lansdowne back pitch and vice versa on Tom Clifford’s killing field, Temple Hill and Dooradoyle.
This spectacle merely provided confirmation that the tribes had amalgamated. The love triangle – Felipe, Rog, Leamy – was still a few seasons off.
October 2009, a sticky RDS night, and Munster are beaten all ends up. Trailing 20-0 with bubbling animosity and 27 minutes still to play, Simon McDowell is swallowed by a lineout when Denis Fogarty throws early. Ructions; Stan Wright and Denis Leamy exchange meaty but inaccurate punches and the officials have no idea what is really going on. Eoin Reddan, another blue-clad child of Limerick, natters in the referee’s ear.
“Number three and six, you are here to play rugby, leave the rest to me.”
Leamy appears to disagree with this plan. The crowd sense impending violence. O’Connell forms his maul but by then long Leinster levers hold firm. McDowell’s whistle gets a loud shrill when Leamy attempts to tear Nathan Hines’ head from his body. But something far worse has happened down below. When the steam evaporates dark blood pours from Cian Healy’s eye brow. The young prop needs serious attention but he’s up looking for any one of them, all of them will do.
Leinster’s Victor Costello is tackled by Munster’s Jim Williams and Rob Henderson. Photograph: Billy Stickland/Inpho
Leinster’s Victor Costello is tackled by Munster’s Jim Williams and Rob Henderson. Photograph: Billy Stickland/Inpho
O’Connell switches into Kofi Annan mode, “Are you allowed collapse the maul?”
“Keep him back,” McDowell instructs Jamie Heaslip as Professor Arthur Tanner finally gets hold of Healy to clean the mess. Cullen sarcastically claps his hands and gives the red captain a thumbs up.
The ref understandably missed the trampling but his linesman intervenes, “Three red stamp to the head.”
O’Connell leans down: “He has to go. Three blue.”
McDowell, perhaps thrown by this helpful intervention, needs to triple check that it’s “three red?”
As the card comes out for John Hayes, O’Connell roars, “He was pulling the maul down. Ah ref, no way!” Leamy is less diplomatic, “That’s a joke.” A lovely Cork lilt chimes in, to further frazzle the Ulster official, as Johnny Sexton calmly lines up another three points.
“John’s an excellent character and the type of person he is, it’s very difficult to see him put himself in a position like that,” said Munster coach Tony McGahan before the disciplinary hearing. “We have our own views and John’s views on the situation, but there was certainly no intent there whatsoever. We’ve the best people on the job so we’ll let it play out.”
There will be more blood this Saturday, but really they love each other. The Bull’s ban was reduced by a week, for good behaviour, allowing the opposing props to pal up for Healy’s international debut against Australia.
Two years later in Thomond Park, a Keith Earls special and scrum-penalty-try captured Munster’s last trophy in a fine mugging the week after Leinster’s miracle match at the Millennium stadium.
Plenty of historical precedent then.
