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 Post subject: Ashwin Willemse
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:29 pm 
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Don't think anyone ever considered him a quota player, but he is certainly a quota commentator.

what a childish act.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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swissguy wrote:
Don't think anyone ever considered him a quota player, but he is certainly a quota commentator.

what a childish act.

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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Jensrsa wrote:
swissguy wrote:
Don't think anyone ever considered him a quota player, but he is certainly a quota commentator.

what a childish act.

:?:


couldn't take a bit of ribbing and then accused the others on the panel of being apartheid players. Said he always had to defend himself against being labeled a quota and then walked out like a 4 yr old child would.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:34 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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WTF. Seriously. Missed this. Did they call him a quota?


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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My brother and I watched it a couple of times now and still can't figure out what caused his outburst.

Would like to hear the explanation.

Most certainly wasn't necessary for the race card being played. Nor the reference to Nick and Naas having played during the apartheid years.

Might be some serious repercussions for him unless there's a very very good explanation from Ashwin.


<Edit> Even the (black) female presenter looked surprised.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Can only imagine that it was the final straw, Naas said that post game was Ashwin's job, but that was a clear joke.

Seems the dude has a serious chip. I don't think he adds any value as a commentator/panelist/analyst - maybe he is better in Afrikaans, but his English is not good nor his analysis. Brenton is better.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Just seen the clip :shock:

What an absolute cnut of the highest order.

I never liked him. He always struggled to communicate with someone like Mallet who is much more of an intellectual than him.

At least have the balls to argue with them. To accuse them of "playing during apartheid" - whatever that's supposed to mean - is just ridiculous. That's his broadcasting career over.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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My brother and I watched it a couple of times now and still can't figure out what caused his outburst.

Would like to hear the explanation.

Most certainly wasn't necessary for the race card being played. Nor the reference to Nick and Naas having played during the apartheid years.

Might be some serious repercussions for him unless there's a very very good explanation from Ashwin.


<Edit> Even the (black) female presenter looked surprised.


Must have been something off camera, although he said he was glad it happened on air, if what we saw was all it took, then the dude has some mental health issues. As you say, even the woman was shocked.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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assfly wrote:
Just seen the clip :shock:

What an absolute cnut of the highest order.

I never liked him. He always struggled to communicate with someone like Mallet who is much more of an intellectual than him.

At least have the balls to argue with them. To accuse them of "playing during apartheid" - whatever that's supposed to mean - is just ridiculous. That's his broadcasting career over.


Hopefully his and not theirs, but racial sensitivity in SA could well mean the end of Mallet and Botha on the panel...they can always bring Peter Div and AC as replacements. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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If they get rid of Mallet then they might as well just stop with post and pre match commentary, as he's the only guy who calls it as it is. The rest of them just toe the line. It's that sort of attitude that killed shows like Boots and All.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Anyone got a clip?


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Anyone wanna post the clip?


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1WyvapF_og

this the one?


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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https://twitter.com/Oom_Rugby?lang=en


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Missed this but saw at half-time him getting itchy as Mallet was decrying Jantjies's inconsistency


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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https://youtu.be/EtyR4skP0R4

But this is after some things were said. His walking out is a reaction on stuff that went before


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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This is on sport24

https://m.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugb ... f-20180519


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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ArnoldVDH wrote:


Seems he took exception to things that were said off-camera during the game


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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assfly wrote:
https://twitter.com/Oom_Rugby?lang=en

This is the earlier footage before his walkout speech.
A little bit of tension there.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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That's pretty intense.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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There was another incudent in June 2016 after the 2nd test against Ireland.

Not sure if that played a role as well.

http://voices.news24.com/heindrich-wyng ... -willemse/


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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ArnoldVDH wrote:
There was another incudent in June 2016 after the 2nd test against Ireland.

Not sure if that played a role as well.

http://voices.news24.com/heindrich-wyng ... -willemse/


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5. Even if this might appear a bit far-fetched, the spirit of the youth of 1976 and boxing legend Muhammad Ali was kept alive.

It was, therefore, not merely a “mini-rant” or an “onderonsie”. It heralded the end of the age of innocence on a panel of South African rugby commentators.


Very weird country you have there.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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I have no doubt he'll be hailed as a hero by "woke Twitter"

It seems a good example of where South Africa is. Instead of making a coherent argument against someone you disagree with, you clumsily play the race card and walk away.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Still, something had to have happened during the game before Naas's patronising display.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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assfly wrote:
I have no doubt he'll be hailed as a hero by "woke Twitter"

It seems a good example of where South Africa is. Instead of making a coherent argument against someone you disagree with, you clumsily play the race card and walk away.


In full cry already.. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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:lol: they really are something else


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Jensrsa wrote:
Still, something had to have happened during the game before Naas's patronising display.

What did Naas say?


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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I for one fully support Ashwin in his endeavours to leave the rugby pundit world in a manner befitting his character. :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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The usual suspect will all over this thread like fly over a bucket of shit x(


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Chilli wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Still, something had to have happened during the game before Naas's patronising display.

What did Naas say?

Naas was being very patronising here and Ashwin was already pissed off, but still this must have been about "discussions" earlier

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/997895671847030784


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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So the two White guys sit on their chairs like fat cats and the Quota stands and does what they tell him to do and tells them how he feels?

Jesus, first time I’ve seen that show and I’m appalled! :uhoh:


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Jensrsa wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Still, something had to have happened during the game before Naas's patronising display.

What did Naas say?

Naas was being very patronising here and Ashwin was already pissed off, but still this must have been about "discussions" earlier

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/997895671847030784


What did Naas say that was patronizing?

I'd like facts only please. No speculation.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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He will regret it in the morning. Probably having a few whiskeys now.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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ArnoldVDH wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Still, something had to have happened during the game before Naas's patronising display.

What did Naas say?

Naas was being very patronising here and Ashwin was already pissed off, but still this must have been about "discussions" earlier

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/997895671847030784


What did Naas say that was patronizing?

I'd like facts only please. No speculation.


Look at the video. His whole attitude is patronising.

But as I said, something happened before this, off camera during the game


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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The attack on Mallett is particularly shit. He is English speaking, so not an "insider" in his day. He got two caps, and fell out with selectors in a serious way. The teams he played in weren't "segregated" as he stands accused of, Errol Tobias played both tests. Then he was never selected again and went to play in France and Italy for almost all of the 1980s and early 1990s (unlike today, that meant he lost money). There was also a period when he was at Oxford Uni and played for them. Rough to criticise guys like this, you weren't in their shoes and do not know what you would've done.

He'll have to go now of course, his crime is having an opinion whilst being white. I've wondered how long white commentators are gong to be able to criticise black players, and from what we've got that's the explanation here.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Jensrsa wrote:
ArnoldVDH wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Still, something had to have happened during the game before Naas's patronising display.

What did Naas say?

Naas was being very patronising here and Ashwin was already pissed off, but still this must have been about "discussions" earlier

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/997895671847030784


What did Naas say that was patronizing?

I'd like facts only please. No speculation.


Look at the video. His whole attitude is patronising.

But as I said, something happened before this, off camera during the game


Sorry Jens but that I don't buy. You are referring to the part where Naas says he had all if his say earlier so now it is Ashwin's turn.

If that has set Ashwin of then I'd suggest Ashwin has the problem.

I'm not even sure it's something that was said off air because Ashwin clearly says that people saw what happened is live on air.

So he can only refer to what Naas says. In which case I think Ashwin's reaction is over the top.


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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Damn, did Ox just defend Mallett?? :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Ashwin Willemse
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ox wagon wrote:
The attack on Mallett is particularly shit. He is English speaking, so not an "insider" in his day. He got two caps, and fell out with selectors in a serious way. The teams he played in weren't "segregated" as he stands accused of, Errol Tobias played both tests. Then he was never selected again and went to play in France and Italy for almost all of the 1980s and early 1990s (unlike today, that meant he lost money). There was also a period when he was at Oxford Uni and played for them. Rough to criticise guys like this, you weren't in their shoes and do not know what you would've done.

He'll have to go now of course, his crime is having an opinion whilst being white. I've wondered how long white commentators are gong to be able to criticise black players, and from what we've got that's the explanation here.

Okay. Calm down. Do you have anything to add to what happened tonight? Specifically?


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Jensrsa wrote:
Okay. Calm down. Do you have anything to add to what happened tonight? Specifically?

I just did.

Pretty obvious what happened, white big mouths who have a lot of opinions, criticised a black player/s. Ashwin said they were apartheid blah blah. White guys will have to be sacked.


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