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Oh well if wiki says so....

TranceNRG wrote:I agree but I don't think Chieka has much of a vision. He's just happy to keep using Pooper. This is teh guy that lost to England 4 times in a row playing same dumb rugby. I think it's fair to say he's not a great thinking coach.

Here's how it works in Wallabyland. The selection is sorted by dollars:

Folau (on over $1m a season until he gives RA the bird) picks his own spot:

• Non-kicking fullback
• Yes, a great and balanced runner (better than Hooper)
• Also outstanding taking the high ball.
• Defensively and field positioning = B minus.

Hooper (offered a $5m deal until 2023) is automatic captain and picks the role he wants.

• short and lightweight runner wearing #7.
• excellent motor
• good ball handling, low error rate when with the ball
• poor captain = C minus

Pocock (on a bit under a mill, but possibly punted after 2019) has to be part of "The Pooper"

• strong jackler and short No. 8.
• quick to the breakdown
• good at slowing down oppo ball
• possible question mark with new breakdown interpretations

This is not really going to change without injury (or other "force majeure").

Couldn't disagree with any of that Kiap. On Folau, we all love his attacking and aerial skills but his kicking game is average at best and usually get exposed at test level.

I think Pooper can work if Cheika picks a tall, big no.6. Just get all the locks in the squad to race over 40m and the winner plays at blindside for the rest of the year. Simples.

Ali's Choice wrote:I think Pooper can work if Cheika picks a tall, big no.6. Just get all the locks in the squad to race over 40m and the winner plays at blindside for the rest of the year. Simples.

I tend to agree. If we had a big, tall, physical no 6 we could have got away with Poooper but I don't think we have a player like that. Timu and Tui look promising but who knows whether they'll step up at test level.

towny wrote:Oh well if wiki says so....

You got your stats from the vibes right?

He’s picked Tui as a backrow because he’s capable of jumping in a lineout (he isn’t actually very good at it though). Timu will be on the bench to give some impact.

SFBB wrote:If Fardy and Ben Mowen we’re still around I’d imagine one of Pooper would be on the bench. Currently your options are slightly larger players who are inferior at every aspect other than being slightly larger. Pocock could easily play with 8 on his back for the Brumbies, and while he wouldn’t be a traditional style 8, he would be the best 8 currently qualified for Oz. You’re all too focused on the numbers they wear, and a perceived lack of size. I’d rather have two smaller warriors, than one warrior and a shite player.

One of Pooper + a big useless plum =/= more balanced. It just means less good players in the team.

Agree.

Pooper isn’t under pressure until two blokes stand up at 6 or 8 and can’t be ignored. At present there is no one doing this. Perhaps two of Timu, Samu, Valentini, Dempsey or Naisarani would change this. Then Cheika would be forced to put one of his best players on the bench for the good of the team. But that day hasn’t come yet.

CrazyIslander wrote:

towny wrote:Oh well if wiki says so....

You got your stats from the vibes right?

My f*cking eyes work. He’s a monster

towny wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:

towny wrote:Oh well if wiki says so....

You got your stats from the vibes right?

My f*cking eyes work. He’s a monster

I've actually met him after games. No way he's over 110kgs. More like 105kgs.

towny wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:

towny wrote:Oh well if wiki says so....

You got your stats from the vibes right?

My f*cking eyes work. He’s a monster

A monster would be Devin Toner Irish lock 2.10m 128kg

SFBB wrote:He’s picked Tui as a backrow because he’s capable of jumping in a lineout (he isn’t actually very good at it though). Timu will be on the bench to give some impact.

Samu could also be a bench option. Has played all three backrow positions for the Crusaders and offers impact.

towny wrote: Pocock is over 110kg and deadlifts cars. I don’t think he’ll be the slacker on the mauls. Meanwhile, he’ll win 3 turnovers and slow down Irish ball all game. Maybe that’s harder to see if you don’t understand rugby.

Perfect credentials when discussing how good a rugby player is.

Pretty shit rule #1's in this OP tbh. 2 plastic air brushed bimbos that look almost identical.

let me try.

It’ll be fine.

We can play Hooper-Pocock-Samu in the backrow because some guy on the internet told me to not ‘focus on the numbers on their back’.

shanky wrote:It’ll be fine.

We can play Hooper-Pocock-Samu in the backrow because some guy on the internet told me to not ‘focus on the numbers on their back’.

Sadly we've been hearing this shit for a few years now.

TranceNRG wrote:

shanky wrote:It’ll be fine.

We can play Hooper-Pocock-Samu in the backrow because some guy on the internet told me to not ‘focus on the numbers on their back’.

Sadly we've been hearing this shit for a few years now.

It’s the same story at hooker

Our national coach engineered us into a position where our most experienced hooker (36 minutes in the gold jersey) is now out of action. LOL

Nolanator wrote:

towny wrote: Pocock is over 110kg and deadlifts cars. I don’t think he’ll be the slacker on the mauls. Meanwhile, he’ll win 3 turnovers and slow down Irish ball all game. Maybe that’s harder to see if you don’t understand rugby.

Perfect credentials when discussing how good a rugby player is.

Pockock is nowhere near 110kg. I don't care what his stats say at the start of the game. He's about 180cm and 100kg wringing wet in a tracksuite.

They talk complete bollocks about their stats, and Pooey, as much as I like him, does more than most.

I always leave this place feeling like a genius.

Thanks for the boost boys!

towny wrote:I always leave this place feeling like a genius.

Thanks for the boost boys!

It’s our pleasure

http://youtu.be/2YTntpldkhw

Does anyone else think Hodge should be 10? Very nice skills there.

TranceNRG wrote:

towny wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:The Irish driving maul should be a worry with two opensides defending it.

Pocock is over 110kg and deadlifts cars. I don’t think he’ll be the slacker on the mauls. Meanwhile, he’ll win 3 turnovers and slow down Irish ball all game. Maybe that’s harder to see if you don’t understand rugby.

How come our backrow failed aginst top teams in the last few years then?

He's about 105kgs at best. I've actually met him a couple of times after test matches. He's veyr wide but not tall (barely taller than me and I'm 5'10)

I agree. We should take a more measured approach and only pull out the Pooper as a starting combo every now and then. We have fallen short against top opposition lately and the lineout is a big part of that. The pooper is good at the back end of games when you are trying to close it out.
Cheika will go with both to start though because he has limited his options with selection. He cannot also start Samu or Timu. Hanigan or Tui it is at 6. Not ideal at all.

Olo wrote:

TranceNRG wrote:

towny wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:The Irish driving maul should be a worry with two opensides defending it.

Pocock is over 110kg and deadlifts cars. I don’t think he’ll be the slacker on the mauls. Meanwhile, he’ll win 3 turnovers and slow down Irish ball all game. Maybe that’s harder to see if you don’t understand rugby.

How come our backrow failed aginst top teams in the last few years then?

He's about 105kgs at best. I've actually met him a couple of times after test matches. He's veyr wide but not tall (barely taller than me and I'm 5'10)

I agree. We should take a more measured approach and only pull out the Pooper as a starting combo every now and then. We have fallen short against top opposition lately and the lineout is a big part of that. The pooper is good at the back end of games when you are trying to close it out.
Cheika will go with both to start though because he has limited his options with selection. He cannot also start Samu or Timu. Hanigan or Tui it is at 6. Not ideal at all.

Back to the size of DP ... everyone knows "muscle weighs more than fat", but it's pretty easy to put on 5 or 10 kg of fat spread evenly over a muscular frame and still look "fairly fit" and weigh something crazy like 110kg ... if you're 6'3 or 6'4. It's a different thing all together to put on 5-10kg of lean muscle. It takes literally years of training, nutrition and some lucky genes. DP is about 180, 5'10 and although he's strong as a bull, has arms like a gorilla and built like a brick shitter, he's also pretty damn lean. To put it in perspective, Arnold Shwarzenegger was about 4 inches taller than Pocock, and a steroid-pumper mound of muscles, and he "only" weighed 107kg. There's no chance Poey is coming in at 110kg. My honest guess is in the mid to high 90s. He's just not carrying that much fat. I've been weight lifting all my life, and if I were as lean as Pockock I'd weight about 85kg and I'm 2 inches taller.

Edit: also, he's an ideal #7 imo. His arms look way too long for his body. His arms look like they belong on a guy who is 2m tall. Which is perfect for deadlifts and also perfect for snaffling ball out of rucks in rugby.

The Wobs have had the same problem for a decade and a half: an abundance of awesome #7s, but no true world-class quality sixes or eights, minus a few flashes by the likes of Mowen and Fardy for seeminly half a season before disappearing.

Mog The Almighty wrote:My honest guess is in the mid to high 90s. He's just not carrying that much fat. I've been weight lifting all my life,

Nah. You're forcing me towards the Towny camp.

Not that I'm saying he's the full 110kg, but it's not that hard for a 180cm pro athlete to be over 100kg with added muscle and not a lot of fat.

lol ther'es no way he's in his 90s. He's comfortably over 100kgs but probably not 110kg. I'd say between 103kgs and 107kgs. Poey's arms being too big? wtf. They are not too big at all and look pretty proportional with teh rest of his body.

Also he's a bit taller than 5'10. He's close to 6'.

. double

kiap wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:My honest guess is in the mid to high 90s. He's just not carrying that much fat. I've been weight lifting all my life,

Nah. You're forcing me towards the Towny camp.

Not that I'm saying he's the full 110kg, but it's not that hard for a 180cm pro athlete to be over 100kg with added muscle and not a lot of fat.

No offence, but you don't know what you're talking about mate. It's extremely difficult for anyone to be 180cm and 100kg+ without carrying a significant amount of fat, which Pocock clearly does not. Yes, it is possible. If you're a pro bodybuilder or something.

I think you guys are pretty clueless here. (Trance included). Most people are because they all talk shit about their height and weight. Fighters are the best reference because they can't lie.

Who honestly reckons Pockock has got ~25+kg on him? You'd be out of your mind.

About the same bodyfat. Pocock is slightly taller. Fully hydrated, I can believe Pocock maybe scratches 100kg in his full rugby kit. And that's a stretch to believe tbh.

5'9 ~82kg (77kg at weight-in)

Mog The Almighty wrote:No offence, but you don't know what you're talking about mate. It's extremely difficult for anyone to be 180cm and 100kg+ without carrying a significant amount of fat, which Pocock clearly does not. Yes, it is possible. If you're a pro bodybuilder or something.

I think you guys are pretty clueless here. (Trance included). No offence, most people are because they all talk shit about their height and weight. Fighters are the best reference because they can't lie.

Who honestly reckons Pockock has got ~25+kg on him?

LOL

You're being a little *dishonest* here, Ika.

Normally walking around at 200 pounds (91 kg), Woodley says he would not only have obvious size and strength advantages against the fiery Irishman, but he would also dominate the wrestling and striking areas, as well. In short, it would be a no-win situation for McGregor.

https://www.mmamania.com/2016/11/2/1348 ... yc-msg-mma

Let's compare what this 1.75 cm guy looks like after cutting 10-15kg+ at the weigh in.

Yep, plus fighters aren't carrying the massive tree trunks Poey has for legs, which is where all the weight really is, as these are larger muscles.

More piccies of Poey in his Speedos plz.

EverReady wrote:I think he is sexy

Pocock or the MMA dude?

Leavy is like a better version of David "Gap year" Pocock, without any of the save the earth hippy bullshit either.

You will all learn this.

Floppykid wrote:Leavy is like a better version of David "Gap year" Pocock, without any of the save the earth hippy bullshit either.

You will all learn this.

What's his weight?

Those pictures are meaningless unless you have a picture both of them standing next to each other. Otherwise you can't compare sizes accurately.
I do know what I am talking about thank you and I have actually met the guy (Pocock) in person.

CrazyIslander wrote:

Floppykid wrote:Leavy is like a better version of David "Gap year" Pocock, without any of the save the earth hippy bullshit either.

You will all learn this.

What's his weight?

107kg

Floppykid wrote:Leavy is like a better version of David "Gap year" Pocock, without any of the save the earth hippy bullshit either.

You will all learn this.

He looks like the kind of bloke who'd be able to get you a caravan for a reasonable price.

Thomas wrote:

Floppykid wrote:Leavy is like a better version of David "Gap year" Pocock, without any of the save the earth hippy bullshit either.

You will all learn this.

He looks like the kind of bloke who'd be able to get you a caravan for a reasonable price.

And a dog thrown in

Hellraiser wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:

Floppykid wrote:Leavy is like a better version of David "Gap year" Pocock, without any of the save the earth hippy bullshit either.

You will all learn this.

What's his weight?

107kg

Not aimed at you Hellraiser, but this raises an important point.

So, here's the thing with determining that 'listed weights are bullshit' . You have to assume ALL listed weights are overstated by an equal amount, because otherwise you are saying that one player is a particular bullshiter.

So it sounds like leavy is likely lighter than Poey, or around the same weight. So neither are likely to be shifting more or less bodies on account of mass.

Shame on both of you, making jokes at the expense of the traveller community.
I'm sure David "Being a Pro Rugby player is too Hard" Pocock would refuse to share a field with either of you.
Unless you're a good player or something and then it doesn't matter apparently.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/20 ... ences.html

Was it Pocock or Hopper that Henderson made his antipodean cabana boy?