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rfurlong wrote:don't think we'll win this one without ringer and leavy ....... their absence gives Aus a big advantage in the wide channels and on the deck respectively...... which were the key sources of their success in the 1st test

Interesting subs bench also .... delighted for Ross Byrne and I can actually see him coming on and Sexton moving to 12 (or vice versa) at some point. It was interesting to see that Schmidt referencing the fact that he'd been asking Ross to fill in at 12 during training. It would be some debut if he came on and kicked the winning penno ...... just cant see it with the injuries however.

Ruddock, JVDF, SOB, Farrell and Best would have been utterly invaluable on this tour. However, regardless of the result on Saturday, its been a successful tour in terms of squad development ....

hermie wrote:Ruddock is fit, just wasn't brought.

Liathroidigloine wrote:

rett wrote:Just started a new job, and met a young Irish bloke. When I asked him about his Polynesian tattoo, he said “ my Dad is a Maori, met my Ma when he was on a Rugby tour in Ireland.” I managed not to ask him if he was conceived in the car park of the local Rugby club. However, in the spirit of pre decider spite, should I ask him this very question? Advice from the bored would be appreciated.

Does he do a mixture of a Haka and Riverdance?

YOYO wrote:I’m not as confident with that selection either but injuries will happen at the World Cup...

Thomas wrote:Righto. Wallaby team announced. Hanigan's first game back from injury will be on the bench in a Wallaby test match. FFS... I mean, we all picked it. He's a Tah boy who Cheika rates. I mean he hits a ruck like a sack of pillows but Cheika rates him.

http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2018/06/21 ... nouncement

1. Scott Sio (45 Tests)

2. Brandon Paenga-Amosa (2 Tests)

3. Sekope Kepu (93 Tests)

4. Izack Rodda (6 Tests)

5. Adam Coleman (22 Tests)

6. Lukhan Tui (6 Tests)

7. Michael Hooper (c) (81 Tests)

8 . David Pocock (68 Tests)

9. Nick Phipps (63 Tests)

10. Bernard Foley (57 Tests)

11. Marika Koroibete (10 Tests)

12. Kurtley Beale (73 Tests)

13. Samu Kerevi (20 Tests)

14. Dane Haylett-Petty (20 Tests)

15. Israel Folau (64 Tests)

Reserves

16. Tolu Latu (6 Tests)

17. Tom Robertson (20 Tests)

18. Taniela Tupou (3 Tests)

19. Rob Simmons (84 Tests)

20. Ned Hanigan (12 Tests)

21. Pete Samu (2 Tests)

22. Joe Powell (3 Tests)

23. Reece Hodge (26 Tests)

Mog The Almighty wrote:

YOYO wrote:I’m not as confident with that selection either but injuries will happen at the World Cup...

Can't stand this way of thinking. Ireland deserve to lose based on that selection, and I hope they do lose badly. Although I concede that's unlikely to happen.

Every International is a test match. There are no friendlies in rugby and every test cap earned for your country should be respected and honoured. That's what rugby is all about. I hate this modern trend of using Test matches as some kind of experimental proving ground for the World Cup. It shows a lack of respect for the game, the opposition and your own jersey.

I'm not for a second saying Ireland are the only ones that do it. Just that I hate how things are going that way in general.

I'm even more motivated now to see Ireland get pumped and have their face rubbed in it, and see them drop a place or two in the World Rankings. It would serve you right.

YOYO wrote:

rett wrote:

Liathroidigloine wrote:

rett wrote:Just started a new job, and met a young Irish bloke. When I asked him about his Polynesian tattoo, he said “ my Dad is a Maori, met my Ma when he was on a Rugby tour in Ireland.” I managed not to ask him if he was conceived in the car park of the local Rugby club. However, in the spirit of pre decider spite, should I ask him this very question? Advice from the bored would be appreciated.

Does he do a mixture of a Haka and Riverdance?

They look the same to me.

Does he look a mixture of caucasian and Maori? If not, then I imagine he’s pulling you leg.

It might be that people keep asking him about the tattoo so he concocted that story for a laugh.

mightyreds wrote:For me, a blind spot in the officiating to date is that Folau is getting consistently obstructed or taken out in the air, without penalty, yellow/red card, or citing, and now the Oirish or running blockers at him. They'll need to keep an eye on that on the weekend. There was one in particular in the Brisbane Test where an opposition forward grabbed him in the air, then dropped him on his back, without any response whatever from the officials - it was actually more dangerous than the Red Card one from NZ/France last week. I can't believe Rugby Australia didn't put in a citing over that. Countries that employ the 'let's not make a fuss' approach just make suckers out of themselves.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

YOYO wrote:I’m not as confident with that selection either but injuries will happen at the World Cup...

Can't stand this way of thinking. Ireland deserve to lose based on that selection, and I hope they do lose badly. Although I concede that's unlikely to happen.

Every International is a test match. There are no friendlies in rugby and every test cap earned for your country should be respected and honoured. That's what rugby is all about. I hate this modern trend of using Test matches as some kind of experimental proving ground for the World Cup. It shows a lack of respect for the game, the opposition and your own jersey.

I'm not for a second saying Ireland are the only ones that do it. Just that I hate how things are going that way in general.

I'm even more motivated now to see Ireland get pumped and have their face rubbed in it, and see them drop a place or two in the World Rankings. It would serve you right.

diarm wrote:

hermie wrote:Ruddock is fit, just wasn't brought.

I'm shocked at that. I'd just assumed he was injured because I can't really understand why you wouldn't bring him?

Nolanator wrote:Phipps is significantly worse than Genia, but surely he's not as bad as White? A man who genuinely can't pass properly.

Zakar wrote:

Nolanator wrote:Phipps is significantly worse than Genia, but surely he's not as bad as White? A man who genuinely can't pass properly.

Phipps will fire at least one pass well over the head of Foley, resulting in an insane amount of pressure and possibly a try. He's a dick, yappy, can't pass, gives away silly penalties. A real scrum half carictature. He is an excellent cover defender with a huge engine, but is not fit for purpose as a scrum half.

Duff Paddy wrote:Calculated risk by Schmidt. Experimenting to see how much leeway he has against a top team. Our chance of a first series win against a big SH team has just dropped significantly. Genia out should still just tip it for us but I’m not as confident as if we went full strength.

Nolanator wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Calculated risk by Schmidt. Experimenting to see how much leeway he has against a top team. Our chance of a first series win against a big SH team has just dropped significantly. Genia out should still just tip it for us but I’m not as confident as if we went full strength.

There's only one experiment, and that's injury-enforced.
The midfield isn't an experiment.

Nolanator wrote:Not arguing that Phipps isn't deficient in the core skills of his position, he clearly is. Just musing that it could be worse.

Duff Paddy wrote:

Nolanator wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Calculated risk by Schmidt. Experimenting to see how much leeway he has against a top team. Our chance of a first series win against a big SH team has just dropped significantly. Genia out should still just tip it for us but I’m not as confident as if we went full strength.

There's only one experiment, and that's injury-enforced.
The midfield isn't an experiment.

Why was Ringrose dropped

Farva wrote:

Nolanator wrote:Not arguing that Phipps isn't deficient in the core skills of his position, he clearly is. Just musing that it could be worse.

I will never forget, or forgive, White kicking the ball to the ABs when we had a slim lead in a Bledisloe game. ABs then flicked it wide and scored to win.

CM11 wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:

Nolanator wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Calculated risk by Schmidt. Experimenting to see how much leeway he has against a top team. Our chance of a first series win against a big SH team has just dropped significantly. Genia out should still just tip it for us but I’m not as confident as if we went full strength.

There's only one experiment, and that's injury-enforced.
The midfield isn't an experiment.

Why was Ringrose dropped

He wasn't.

Duff Paddy wrote:

CM11 wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:

Nolanator wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Calculated risk by Schmidt. Experimenting to see how much leeway he has against a top team. Our chance of a first series win against a big SH team has just dropped significantly. Genia out should still just tip it for us but I’m not as confident as if we went full strength.

There's only one experiment, and that's injury-enforced.
The midfield isn't an experiment.

Why was Ringrose dropped

He wasn't.

Is he injured

Nolanator wrote:Duff; yes, injured.

rfurlong wrote:don't think we'll win this one without ringer and leavy ....... their absence gives Aus a big advantage in the wide channels and on the deck respectively...... which were the key sources of their success in the 1st test

Interesting subs bench also .... delighted for Ross Byrne and I can actually see him coming on and Sexton moving to 12 (or vice versa) at some point. It was interesting to see that Schmidt referencing the fact that he'd been asking Ross to fill in at 12 during training. It would be some debut if he came on and kicked the winning penno ...... just cant see it with the injuries however.

Ruddock, JVDF, SOB, Farrell and Best would have been utterly invaluable on this tour. However, regardless of the result on Saturday, its been a successful tour in terms of squad development ....

Zakar wrote:

Farva wrote:

Nolanator wrote:Not arguing that Phipps isn't deficient in the core skills of his position, he clearly is. Just musing that it could be worse.

I will never forget, or forgive, White kicking the ball to the ABs when we had a slim lead in a Bledisloe game. ABs then flicked it wide and scored to win.

I was at that game. It was f**king heartbreaking. If I'd have seen him afterwards I probably would have bottled him.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

YOYO wrote:I’m not as confident with that selection either but injuries will happen at the World Cup...

Can't stand this way of thinking. Ireland deserve to lose based on that selection, and I hope they do lose badly. Although I concede that's unlikely to happen.

Every International is a test match. There are no friendlies in rugby and every test cap earned for your country should be respected and honoured. That's what rugby is all about. I hate this modern trend of using Test matches as some kind of experimental proving ground for the World Cup. It shows a lack of respect for the game, the opposition and your own jersey.

I'm not for a second saying Ireland are the only ones that do it. Just that I hate how things are going that way in general.

I'm even more motivated now to see Ireland get pumped and have their face rubbed in it, and see them drop a place or two in the World Rankings. It would serve you right.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

YOYO wrote:I’m not as confident with that selection either but injuries will happen at the World Cup...

Can't stand this way of thinking. Ireland deserve to lose based on that selection, and I hope they do lose badly. Although I concede that's unlikely to happen.

Every International is a test match. There are no friendlies in rugby and every test cap earned for your country should be respected and honoured. That's what rugby is all about. I hate this modern trend of using Test matches as some kind of experimental proving ground for the World Cup. It shows a lack of respect for the game, the opposition and your own jersey.

I'm not for a second saying Ireland are the only ones that do it. Just that I hate how things are going that way in general.

I'm even more motivated now to see Ireland get pumped and have their face rubbed in it, and see them drop a place or two in the World Rankings. It would serve you right.

hermie wrote:

diarm wrote:

hermie wrote:

diarm wrote: Happy to see Cronin get his start and would love to see Byrne get a decent 20 minutes off the bench. Bit concerned about how much rugby Stander and OMahony have played - they must be running on fumes at this stage!

What about James Ryan who had a final in between unlike the other two? Ringrose and Leavy are huge losses. You might argue Leavy less-so having not featured too heavily but it requires O'Mahony to go to the well one more time, this time as a 7. Big ask.

Indeed, although if Ryan does tire Beirne offers plenty from the bench. One or both of OMahony and Stander are going to have to play a full 80 minutes.

Unless Beirne comes on at 6 and Jordi at 7. I think they'll be reluctant to bring on Beirne too early with the risk of injury in the backrow.

Nolanator wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Calculated risk by Schmidt. Experimenting to see how much leeway he has against a top team. Our chance of a first series win against a big SH team has just dropped significantly. Genia out should still just tip it for us but I’m not as confident as if we went full strength.

There's only one experiment, and that's injury-enforced.
The midfield isn't an experiment.

Zakar wrote:Losing Genia is worse than losing three players, as you have quality depth. The difference between Genia and Phipps is like losing Furlong and having him replaced by an actual potato.

Zakar wrote:Losing Genia is worse than losing three players, as you have quality depth. The difference between Genia and Phipps is like losing Furlong and having him replaced by an actual potato.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

YOYO wrote:I’m not as confident with that selection either but injuries will happen at the World Cup...

Can't stand this way of thinking. Ireland deserve to lose based on that selection, and I hope they do lose badly. Although I concede that's unlikely to happen.

Every International is a test match. There are no friendlies in rugby and every test cap earned for your country should be respected and honoured. That's what rugby is all about. I hate this modern trend of using Test matches as some kind of experimental proving ground for the World Cup. It shows a lack of respect for the game, the opposition and your own jersey.

I'm not for a second saying Ireland are the only ones that do it. Just that I hate how things are going that way in general.

I'm even more motivated now to see Ireland get pumped and have their face rubbed in it, and see them drop a place or two in the World Rankings. It would serve you right.

PourSomeRuggerOnMe wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

YOYO wrote:I’m not as confident with that selection either but injuries will happen at the World Cup...

Can't stand this way of thinking. Ireland deserve to lose based on that selection, and I hope they do lose badly. Although I concede that's unlikely to happen.

Every International is a test match. There are no friendlies in rugby and every test cap earned for your country should be respected and honoured. That's what rugby is all about. I hate this modern trend of using Test matches as some kind of experimental proving ground for the World Cup. It shows a lack of respect for the game, the opposition and your own jersey.

I'm not for a second saying Ireland are the only ones that do it. Just that I hate how things are going that way in general.

I'm even more motivated now to see Ireland get pumped and have their face rubbed in it, and see them drop a place or two in the World Rankings. It would serve you right.

Which "experimental" selections are you referring to exactly? I assume you know that Henderson, Ringrose, Leavy and Conway are injured? Because surely you wouldn't have posted the above out of sheer ignorance? That would make you look awfully silly.

ticketlessinseattle wrote:

Zakar wrote:Losing Genia is worse than losing three players, as you have quality depth. The difference between Genia and Phipps is like losing Furlong and having him replaced by an actual potato.

bringing in Phipps for Genia ? completely disrespecting the jersey, opposition and rugby globally as the last remaining sport with a moral compass - now i'm really up for beating the crims.