Comparing how New Zealand are refereed to others
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:34 am
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Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
That gif was from before the directive in 2016 plebJB1981 wrote:Your title should more accurately be 'An example of a referee making a mistake'. Either that or we need a lot more examples.
Here's one to start. I don't believe this was a card, or perhaps even a penalty.
Corruption mate. Poite making that decision led to a scrum which increased the work props have to do at the end of the game which could've led to a spinal injury which could've led to them going to the world leading Poisson Rouge spinal rehabilitation centre in Lyon which Poite has a 10% share in. CorruptionTheflier wrote:How do you explain the two completely wrong decisions during the lions tours at the deaths of the loss and draw which took away the series from them?
I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
Most kiwis thought the yellow call was harsh and that the ref made a mistake not goimg up stairs for a second look well before the second incident occurred. And most thought the second could easily have been given a card and was a worse tackle then the first.Kid A wrote:Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Because they are cowards.
Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.JB1981 wrote:I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
so no cards for high tackles before then? Do you think the directive brought those in? The gif is an example that calls don't always go the way you want or think they should - or indeed in the AB's favour. There's no need for the precious response.Clive Simms wrote:That gif was from before the directive in 2016 plebJB1981 wrote:Your title should more accurately be 'An example of a referee making a mistake'. Either that or we need a lot more examples.
Here's one to start. I don't believe this was a card, or perhaps even a penalty.
Nah. Referees who think they might have made a mistake go to the TMO to check. Pearce had no intention of doing that in either incident. Because New Zealand.The Native wrote:Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.JB1981 wrote:I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
When you appreciate the game you realise these things happen. After so much unparalleled success we are fairly mellow and just move on. It's understandable why others struggle to do that.Seneca of the Night wrote:Amazing how little whinging there was about that in the end. The whole of NZ just shrugged.Theflier wrote:How do you explain the two completely wrong decisions during the lions tours at the deaths of the loss and draw which took away the series from them?
Keith wrote:First gif: penalty only for the seatbelt tackle
Second gif: stonewall red card
'Nuff said
A tad harsh, he did asked Ayoub to look at the second so TBF he is young and relatively inexperienced and will come to learn in time that you never ask Ayoub for help.The Native wrote:Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.JB1981 wrote:I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
Kid A wrote:Keith wrote:First gif: penalty only for the seatbelt tackle
Second gif: stonewall red card
'Nuff said
Yep. This is Wayne Barnes every time he laces his boots.The Native wrote:Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.JB1981 wrote:I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
The directive was a game changer for how high tackles were policed. Pointless comparing before and afterJB1981 wrote:so no cards for high tackles before then? Do you think the directive brought those in? The gif is an example that calls don't always go the way you want or think they should - or indeed in the AB's favour. There's no need for the precious response.Clive Simms wrote:That gif was from before the directive in 2016 plebJB1981 wrote:Your title should more accurately be 'An example of a referee making a mistake'. Either that or we need a lot more examples.
Here's one to start. I don't believe this was a card, or perhaps even a penalty.
Richie had left his cloak on so the ref didn’t see it.JB1981 wrote:Your title should more accurately be 'An example of a referee making a mistake'. Either that or we need a lot more examples.
Here's one to start. I don't believe this was a card, or perhaps even a penalty.
/threadFat Old Git wrote: But that's rugby. Refs make mistakes. Sometimes they favor your team. Sometimes they don't. It usually balances out in the long run.
People who can't admit that and insist on watching games with one eye shut, believing there is some kind of conspiracy, and picking only examples of errors that support that conspiracy, now they are the true cowards.
Oh that’s ok then. Didn’t realise a swinging arm to the head was Textbook tackle back thenClive Simms wrote:That gif was from before the directive in 2016 plebJB1981 wrote:Your title should more accurately be 'An example of a referee making a mistake'. Either that or we need a lot more examples.
Here's one to start. I don't believe this was a card, or perhaps even a penalty.
And yet, posters were saying how great as he didn’t bow down to NZ’s aura.Kid A wrote:Nah. Referees who think they might have made a mistake go to the TMO to check. Pearce had no intention of doing that in either incident. Because New Zealand.The Native wrote:Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.JB1981 wrote:I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
Didn’t he ask George in the second, explaining his reasoning for a penalty and got the Ayoub “agreed”?Kid A wrote:Nah. Referees who think they might have made a mistake go to the TMO to check. Pearce had no intention of doing that in either incident. Because New Zealand.The Native wrote:Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.JB1981 wrote:I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
Of course it isn't but admit the second gif is a red and we're both in agreementbooze wrote:Oh that’s ok then. Didn’t realise a swinging arm to the head was Textbook tackle back thenClive Simms wrote:That gif was from before the directive in 2016 plebJB1981 wrote:Your title should more accurately be 'An example of a referee making a mistake'. Either that or we need a lot more examples.
Here's one to start. I don't believe this was a card, or perhaps even a penalty.
Either way, 4 officials "missed" itMr Mike wrote:Didn’t he ask George in the second, explaining his reasoning for a penalty and got the Ayoub “agreed”?Kid A wrote:Nah. Referees who think they might have made a mistake go to the TMO to check. Pearce had no intention of doing that in either incident. Because New Zealand.The Native wrote:Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.JB1981 wrote:I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
Wow you can send someone off twice! Wait dose that mean they get to come back on?Peaches wrote:double red card on the 2nd gif shirley
Either way, 4 officials "missed" it[/quote]Well they didn’t miss it, they explained their reasoning for the call. The Citing Commissioner will have an opportunity to revisit it.Kid A wrote:Didn’t he ask George in the second, explaining his reasoning for a penalty and got the Ayoub “agreed”?Mr Mike wrote:Nah. Referees who think they might have made a mistake go to the TMO to check. Pearce had no intention of doing that in either incident. Because New Zealand.Kid A wrote:Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.
That wasn’t a high tackle, it was a clothesline.Clive Simms wrote:The directive was a game changer for how high tackles were policed. Pointless comparing before and afterJB1981 wrote:so no cards for high tackles before then? Do you think the directive brought those in? The gif is an example that calls don't always go the way you want or think they should - or indeed in the AB's favour. There's no need for the precious response.Clive Simms wrote:That gif was from before the directive in 2016 plebJB1981 wrote:Your title should more accurately be 'An example of a referee making a mistake'. Either that or we need a lot more examples.
Here's one to start. I don't believe this was a card, or perhaps even a penalty.
On another day it might have been but I have also seen the other angle which showed an accidental head clash which isn’t a red card.Clive Simms wrote:Of course it isn't but admit the second gif is a red and we're both in agreementbooze wrote:Oh that’s ok then. Didn’t realise a swinging arm to the head was Textbook tackle back thenClive Simms wrote:That gif was from before the directive in 2016 plebJB1981 wrote:Your title should more accurately be 'An example of a referee making a mistake'. Either that or we need a lot more examples.
Here's one to start. I don't believe this was a card, or perhaps even a penalty.
So, he shat the bed. Thanks for reiterating my point with different words.Kid A wrote:Nah. Referees who think they might have made a mistake go to the TMO to check. Pearce had no intention of doing that in either incident. Because New Zealand.The Native wrote:Exactly. The referee was out of his depth and shat the bed.JB1981 wrote:I reject the premise of the OP that those are examples of NZ being refereed differently. They are examples of errors by the referee and as you say, both should have gone upstairs.Clive Simms wrote:Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?
Top one is play on, bottom one is red. Ref should've gone upstairs for both but he still has promise
Transmission of trauma through epigenetics you reckon? This has been building for more than 100 years Generation upon generation subject to constant defeat and humiliation. It's at times like this that you can appreciate how measured the Jews have been about the holocaust.Seneca of the Night wrote:Yep. Best thing we can do on this thread is have compassion and empathy for Kid A. It is a dark place, and we can only hope that he gets the appropriate help to move him on in his journey.JB1981 wrote:When you appreciate the game you realise these things happen. After so much unparalleled success we are fairly mellow and just move on. It's understandable why others struggle to do that.Seneca of the Night wrote:Amazing how little whinging there was about that in the end. The whole of NZ just shrugged.Theflier wrote:How do you explain the two completely wrong decisions during the lions tours at the deaths of the loss and draw which took away the series from them?
I see his wiki page is already updated.englishchief wrote:Welsh referee Luke Pearce had a bit of a shocker. Taken too many lessons off Nige probably.
In the 2018 mid-year rugby union internationals, he will referee his first tier 1 vs tier 1 game (New Zealand vs France). [8] His poor performance in this game was heavily criticised by English supporters.[9]