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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:30 pm 
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
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That’s more consistent with the view expressed here by Kiwis than others. No conspiracy orientated nonsense, an acknowledgement that there is confusion and respect for the officials. The “think of the children” and mumsnet angle are a bit handwringing but it reflects everything most real fans have been calling for, respect for the officials and better communication.

Hopefully they will be part of elevating the discussion and bring the rest of you to the moral high ground.

The conspiracy bit is a sideshow to the Pearce/Ayoub/Burger/WR circus.


Speaking of circus... which one of the clowns wrote that article you copy / pasted, sans link?

Is it the Walrus, Torq? Have you slipped so badly back into your own merde that you would stoop so low? Or is it one of the slightly less rednosed scribes? Barnes, perhaps... complete with pre warmed handwringers?

Our very own Jake?


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I'm still thinking about little Johnny running up against Ofa. :((
little Hone and Tana say you’re dumb.

Got me thinking, what's James in Maori? I know William is Wiremu.


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What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?


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I'm still thinking about little Johnny running up against Ofa. :((
little Hone and Tana say you’re dumb.

Got me thinking, what's James in Maori? I know William is Wiremu.
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Mr Mike wrote:
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I'm still thinking about little Johnny running up against Ofa. :((
little Hone and Tana say you’re dumb.

Got me thinking, what's James in Maori? I know William is Wiremu.
Hemi

Of course, I knew that.


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What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


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Mr Mike wrote:
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What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


*nods in sage agreement*


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Mr Mike wrote:
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What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


:nod:

Certainly that coach now knows how difficult it is bring together a team of underachievers called ‘The Blues’ and prevail at Eden Park


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naki wrote:
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naki wrote:
What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


:nod:

Certainly that coach now knows how difficult it is bring together a team of underachievers called ‘The Blues’ and prevail at Eden Park

:lol:
That had not been lost on me either.


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naki wrote:
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naki wrote:
What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


:nod:

Certainly that coach now knows how difficult it is bring together a team of underachievers called ‘The Blues’ and prevail at Eden Park

:lol:


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Also the pre kick off stuff needs to go as it's really not PC any longer in today's society.

Yes, anthems and militarism have no place in sports.


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Also the pre kick off stuff needs to go as it's really not PC any longer in today's society.

Yes, anthems and militarism have no place in sports.


None of it please. :thumbup:


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The only "narative" I have is to make the disciplinary process fairer in rugby union.


Well, it's quite simple. Get the schoolgirls up North who run rugby and are being led by whingeing mothers to grow a set of balls and start administering rugby.

How the hell did a once mighty empire become such a set of snivelling little snot-noses?


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Also the pre kick off stuff needs to go as it's really not PC any longer in today's society.

Yes, anthems and militarism have no place in sports.


None of it please. :thumbup:

Welcome to Country wasn't THAT bad.


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13 pages so far. Have we come to a conclusion?


Yes, on the very first page.

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Instead of having a go at Kid A why not debate the gifs?




Because they are cowards.


Most kiwis thought the yellow call was harsh and that the ref made a mistake not goimg up stairs for a second look well before the second incident occurred. And most thought the second could easily have been given a card and was a worse tackle then the first.

But that's rugby. Refs make mistakes. Sometimes they favor your team. Sometimes they don't. It usually balances out in the long run.

People who can't admit that and insist on watching games with one eye shut, believing there is some kind of conspiracy, and picking only examples of errors that support that conspiracy, now they are the true cowards.


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usermame wrote:
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Also the pre kick off stuff needs to go as it's really not PC any longer in today's society.

Yes, anthems and militarism have no place in sports.


Not sounding very kiwi there Usermane. Also boet wtf is with that avatar man?


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Wrong thread.


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The Cane tackle deserved a yellow; the contact with the head by (not even going to try and spell his name and too lazy to look up) is, by the guidelines, contact to the head, with force, therefore should have been a red. Was too noisy in the bar to hear what conversation went on between the TMO and ref, so I’m not sure what justification, if any, was used to talk it down to a PK only.

If after taking everything into account, the CO does not cite, then I’m sure this shit fight will continue


Poor old Ofa was going in at knee level


Quiet Enz. You are at risk of being consistent with the latest IRB directives at U20 level to reduce head high tackles.

"a High Tackle Warning will be issued if the tackler is upright (i.e. not bent at the waist when tackling), and there is clear and obvious head contact for either player. "

Under this directive, the French player rightly gets a greater sanction than Ofa does not.

Clearly a new directive to allow the AB's to employ their thuggish illegal tactics while the angelic opponents get screwed by a biased IRB.
A warning has been issued to Tu’ungafasi as WR have determined that it did not merit a red card, so glad that Pearce has been publicly vindicated.


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Mr Mike wrote:
Altazuma wrote:
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The Cane tackle deserved a yellow; the contact with the head by (not even going to try and spell his name and too lazy to look up) is, by the guidelines, contact to the head, with force, therefore should have been a red. Was too noisy in the bar to hear what conversation went on between the TMO and ref, so I’m not sure what justification, if any, was used to talk it down to a PK only.

If after taking everything into account, the CO does not cite, then I’m sure this shit fight will continue


Poor old Ofa was going in at knee level


Quiet Enz. You are at risk of being consistent with the latest IRB directives at U20 level to reduce head high tackles.

"a High Tackle Warning will be issued if the tackler is upright (i.e. not bent at the waist when tackling), and there is clear and obvious head contact for either player. "

Under this directive, the French player rightly gets a greater sanction than Ofa does not.

Clearly a new directive to allow the AB's to employ their thuggish illegal tactics while the angelic opponents get screwed by a biased IRB.
A warning has been issued to Tu’ungafasi as WR have determined that it did not merit a red card, so glad that Pearce has been publicly vindicated.


its not really a warning but an explanation to the mob isnt it?


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Have we mentioned 2011 yet?
Has the vid been posted?


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Mr Mike wrote:
Altazuma wrote:
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The Cane tackle deserved a yellow; the contact with the head by (not even going to try and spell his name and too lazy to look up) is, by the guidelines, contact to the head, with force, therefore should have been a red. Was too noisy in the bar to hear what conversation went on between the TMO and ref, so I’m not sure what justification, if any, was used to talk it down to a PK only.

If after taking everything into account, the CO does not cite, then I’m sure this shit fight will continue


Poor old Ofa was going in at knee level


Quiet Enz. You are at risk of being consistent with the latest IRB directives at U20 level to reduce head high tackles.

"a High Tackle Warning will be issued if the tackler is upright (i.e. not bent at the waist when tackling), and there is clear and obvious head contact for either player. "

Under this directive, the French player rightly gets a greater sanction than Ofa does not.

Clearly a new directive to allow the AB's to employ their thuggish illegal tactics while the angelic opponents get screwed by a biased IRB.
A warning has been issued to Tu’ungafasi as WR have determined that it did not merit a red card, so glad that Pearce has been publicly vindicated.

Indeed. Glad to be on the right side of history again. Hate never wins. :thumbup:


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The incident has received a "Citing Commissioner's warning". i.e. - just short of a red card.

If it was reversed and an all black back was sitting in a hospital with a double fracture to the face, there is just no way that the same disciplinary outcome would have been achieved.



True, remember that time when Waisake Naholo was knocked out and couldn't play the deciding test vs the Lions and SOB got suspended? Nope?


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The incident has received a "Citing Commissioner's warning". i.e. - just short of a red card.

If it was reversed and an all black back was sitting in a hospital with a double fracture to the face, there is just no way that the same disciplinary outcome would have been achieved.



True, remember that time when Waisake Naholo was knocked out and couldn't play the deciding test vs the Lions and SOB got suspended? Nope?

Naholo doesn't.


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Just rewatched the Cane & Ofa "tackle" there, dreadful.


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Glad Cane is right for next test, was a bad head knock.

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I just noticed the following image in a Stuff article about the French reinforcements arriving.


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I have no idea as to the event, but surely there was a match or incident thread, so perchance someone has a gif or three of this incident from the thread showing the red or yellow card dished out?

TYIA :thumbup:


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Glad Cane is right for next test, was a bad head knock.

KG

He's known now as "Thug" Cane thank you very much.


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Ted. wrote:
I just noticed the following image in a Stuff article about the French reinforcements arriving.


Image

I have no idea as to the event, but surely there was a match or incident thread, so perchance someone has a gif or three of this incident from the thread showing the red or yellow card dished out?

TYIA :thumbup:

Can you spoiler that please. I opened the thread at work expecting a rugby discussion, not some x-rated MMA style thuggery.


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Mr Mike wrote:
Altazuma wrote:
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Hong Kong wrote:
The Cane tackle deserved a yellow; the contact with the head by (not even going to try and spell his name and too lazy to look up) is, by the guidelines, contact to the head, with force, therefore should have been a red. Was too noisy in the bar to hear what conversation went on between the TMO and ref, so I’m not sure what justification, if any, was used to talk it down to a PK only.

If after taking everything into account, the CO does not cite, then I’m sure this shit fight will continue


Poor old Ofa was going in at knee level


Quiet Enz. You are at risk of being consistent with the latest IRB directives at U20 level to reduce head high tackles.

"a High Tackle Warning will be issued if the tackler is upright (i.e. not bent at the waist when tackling), and there is clear and obvious head contact for either player. "

Under this directive, the French player rightly gets a greater sanction than Ofa does not.

Clearly a new directive to allow the AB's to employ their thuggish illegal tactics while the angelic opponents get screwed by a biased IRB.
A warning has been issued to Tu’ungafasi as WR have determined that it did not merit a red card, so glad that Pearce has been publicly vindicated.


It's interesting that Saint Sam Cane seems to have been totally vindicated for his tackle, yet in many peoples minds, mine included, his was the more erroneous part in the whole affair, whereas poor auld Ofa has copped a very vigorous finger wagging of terrific proportions. The most terrific finger wag ever.

What gives and have any of the neutrals apologised for impugning SS's* good name?


*Saint Sam [Insert appropriate insignia here].


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JB1981 wrote:
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I just noticed the following image in a Stuff article about the French reinforcements arriving.


Spoiler: show
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I have no idea as to the event, but surely there was a match or incident thread, so perchance someone has a gif or three of this incident from the thread showing the red or yellow card dished out?

TYIA :thumbup:

Can you spoiler that please. I opened the thread at work expecting a rugby discussion, not some x-rated MMA style thuggery.


Sorry JB, done.


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Glad Cane is right for next test, was a bad head knock.

KG

He's known now as "Thug" Cane thank you very much.

The Franks brothers will be disappointed with you appropriating their name - I suppose Cane could be the third thug brother.


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guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
naki wrote:
What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


:nod:

Certainly that coach now knows how difficult it is bring together a team of underachievers called ‘The Blues’ and prevail at Eden Park

:lol:


f**king marvellous. :lol: :lol:

All the while, we have a bunch of post padding, claptrap spewing, self aggrandising humourless sour pusses passing themselves off as genuinely concerned rugby citizens. That's without even mentioning the rest of GB and Europe. It's vomit inducing.


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Ted. wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
naki wrote:
What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


:nod:

Certainly that coach now knows how difficult it is bring together a team of underachievers called ‘The Blues’ and prevail at Eden Park

:lol:


f**king marvellous. :lol: :lol:

All the while, we have a bunch of post padding, claptrap spewing, self aggrandising humourless sour pusses passing themselves off as genuinely concerned rugby citizens. That's without even mentioning the rest of GB and Europe. It's vomit inducing.


I, for one, take offence at this outlandish slur. In no way to I spew claptrap, or any trap for that matter.


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Ted. wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
naki wrote:
What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


:nod:

Certainly that coach now knows how difficult it is bring together a team of underachievers called ‘The Blues’ and prevail at Eden Park

:lol:


f**king marvellous. :lol: :lol:

All the while, we have a bunch of post padding, claptrap spewing, self aggrandising humourless sour pusses passing themselves off as genuinely concerned rugby citizens. That's without even mentioning the rest of GB and Europe. It's vomit inducing.


towny wrote:
I, for one, take offence at this outlandish slur. In no way to I spew claptrap, or any trap for that matter.


Just lie back and think of Queensland, mate. :thumbup:


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Ted. wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
naki wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
naki wrote:
What’s been lost in all this is perhaps the most serious charge that can be leveled at WR. They fast tracked a young and inexperienced English ref into a NZ vs France test match, resulting in a controversial yellow card and some widely pilloried non-calls against one team.

Can you believe they would do that?

Even if they did, you have to recognize the sportsman like way the French coach declined to fan the fires. He should get a sportsmanship award and anyone else complaining about referee decisions needs to think long and hard about their behavior.


:nod:

Certainly that coach now knows how difficult it is bring together a team of underachievers called ‘The Blues’ and prevail at Eden Park

:lol:


f**king marvellous. :lol: :lol:

All the while, we have a bunch of post padding, claptrap spewing, self aggrandising humourless sour pusses passing themselves off as genuinely concerned rugby citizens. That's without even mentioning the rest of GB and Europe. It's vomit inducing.


But ... this is a troll thread


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Sorry I've been busy living and stuff , can someone give me a précis of the fred so far


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Sorry I've been busy living and stuff , can someone give me a précis of the fred so far


Thugs, cheats, special treatment, haka.


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Sorry I've been busy living and stuff , can someone give me a précis of the fred so far


Thugs, cheats, special treatment, haka.

There's the strapline to Chasing Great II.


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Sorry I've been busy living and stuff , can someone give me a précis of the fred so far


Thugs, cheats, special treatment, haka.

And that's just the Taranaki U15 girls team.


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Sorry I've been busy living and stuff , can someone give me a précis of the fred so far


Thugs, cheats, special treatment, haka.


We treat all our rugby tourists that way.


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