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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:57 am 
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Jens and Sards, is the Lions coach still working with the backline on attack?


Yes, he's there for the June internationals


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I predict the following changes:
One of Malherbe/Du Toit in for Louw, with the other one on the bench.
PSDT in for JLDP.


Sards, stop trying to copy me.


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Springboks (probable) – 15 Willie le Roux, 14 S’bu Nkosi, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi (c), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 RG Snyman, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Akker van der Merwe, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Sikumbuzo Notshe, 20 Jean-Luc du Preez, 21 Ivan van Zyl, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 Warrick Gelant.
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-to-up-physical-ante-in-second-test/


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Harsh to drop JLdP after one quiet game, but will be interesting to see how PSdT gets on in the 7 jersey.


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Harsh to drop JLdP after one quiet game, but will be interesting to see how PSdT gets on in the 7 jersey.

Rotation :)


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Indeed ;)


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Rassie might make more changes on the bench to give other players a chance - Orie, Mohoje, Papier, Junior, Mapimpi


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Rassie might make more changes on the bench to give other players a chance - Orie, Mohoje, Papier, Junior, Mapimpi

I will only be happy with Papier and Mapimpi from that bunch.


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England lock Joe Launchbury remains doubtful for the must-win second Test against South Africa this weekend, scrum coach Neal Hatley admitted Tuesday. But hooker Luke Cowan-Dickie has been cleared to play in Bloemfontein this Saturday after recovering from hamstring tightness.

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/good-and-bad-news-for-england-ahead-of-second-test-against-springboks-15443949


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handyman wrote:
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Rassie might make more changes on the bench to give other players a chance - Orie, Mohoje, Papier, Junior, Mapimpi

I will only be happy with Papier and Mapimpi from that bunch.


Haven't seen much of Papier, from the one run against Wales he looks pretty quick. Is he in the same sniping mold as Faf? if so yes please can he go ahead of van Zyl


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PSDT should only start at lock, not at 7.
Give JLDP a decent chance.


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PSDT should only start at lock, not at 7.
Give JLDP a decent chance.


PSdT apparently prefers #7

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There’s been a lot of debate around the selection of Pieter-Steph du Toit at flank. The player himself told SA Rugby magazine in a recent interview that No 7 is his preferred position at present. Du Toit feels that it’s from this position where he can utilise all of his strengths to the best effect.

http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-to-up-physical-ante-in-second-test/


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Harsh to drop JLdP after one quiet game, but will be interesting to see how PSdT gets on in the 7 jersey.

His stats don't give him any credit

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he needs to up his game


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Every lock thinks their a flank in waiting :lol:


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BokJock wrote:
handyman wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Rassie might make more changes on the bench to give other players a chance - Orie, Mohoje, Papier, Junior, Mapimpi

I will only be happy with Papier and Mapimpi from that bunch.


Haven't seen much of Papier, from the one run against Wales he looks pretty quick. Is he in the same sniping mold as Faf? if so yes please can he go ahead of van Zyl

Yes, more like Faf. Being groomed for the future.


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handyman wrote:
BokJock wrote:
handyman wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Rassie might make more changes on the bench to give other players a chance - Orie, Mohoje, Papier, Junior, Mapimpi

I will only be happy with Papier and Mapimpi from that bunch.


Haven't seen much of Papier, from the one run against Wales he looks pretty quick. Is he in the same sniping mold as Faf? if so yes please can he go ahead of van Zyl

Yes, more like Faf. Being groomed for the future.


Good, if our game plan is going to be like Saturday - then he should be the man ahead of van Zyl.

If we want a scrumhalf that can kick for certain games, ask Pienaar to come back? van Zyl definitely does not look the part


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Harsh to drop JLdP after one quiet game, but will be interesting to see how PSdT gets on in the 7 jersey.

His stats don't give him any credit

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he needs to up his game


:lol: b..b..but captain humble and passion


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BokJock wrote:
handyman wrote:
BokJock wrote:
handyman wrote:
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Rassie might make more changes on the bench to give other players a chance - Orie, Mohoje, Papier, Junior, Mapimpi

I will only be happy with Papier and Mapimpi from that bunch.


Haven't seen much of Papier, from the one run against Wales he looks pretty quick. Is he in the same sniping mold as Faf? if so yes please can he go ahead of van Zyl

Yes, more like Faf. Being groomed for the future.


Good, if our game plan is going to be like Saturday - then he should be the man ahead of van Zyl.

If we want a scrumhalf that can kick for certain games, ask Pienaar to come back? van Zyl definitely does not look the part

Fvck right off! x(


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Chilli wrote:
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If we want a scrumhalf that can kick for certain games, ask Pienaar to come back? van Zyl definitely does not look the part

Fvck right off! x(



But we have just brought back a 37yr old retired hooker.

Pienaar has been consistently good in Europe for a while now (didn't see him this season) - if the plodding kicking game is required in wet conditions are you saying he would be worse than van Zyl?

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/cup-competitions/ruan-pienaar-stars-for-montpellier-before-bok-squad-announcement-15172166


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JLDP VS PSDT Internationals this year

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BokJock wrote:
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If we want a scrumhalf that can kick for certain games, ask Pienaar to come back? van Zyl definitely does not look the part

Fvck right off! x(



But we have just brought back a 37yr old retired hooker.

Pienaar has been consistently good in Europe for a while now (didn't see him this season) - if the plodding kicking game is required in wet conditions are you saying he would be worse than van Zyl?

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/cup-competitions/ruan-pienaar-stars-for-montpellier-before-bok-squad-announcement-15172166

Ruin is kak.


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Chilli wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Chilli wrote:
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If we want a scrumhalf that can kick for certain games, ask Pienaar to come back? van Zyl definitely does not look the part

Fvck right off! x(



But we have just brought back a 37yr old retired hooker.

Pienaar has been consistently good in Europe for a while now (didn't see him this season) - if the plodding kicking game is required in wet conditions are you saying he would be worse than van Zyl?

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/cup-competitions/ruan-pienaar-stars-for-montpellier-before-bok-squad-announcement-15172166

Ruin is kak.



I wonder what the problem is with Cameron....I think he is a great talent....


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Springbok Thomas du Toit may well be new at tighthead, but according to Bok assistant coach MProudfoot he fast becoming a real asset to the national side.
Du Toit switched across the scrum at the beginning of the season and is on a steep learning curve, but has progressed well enough for him to be considered for Saturday’s second test against England. While Frans Malherbe is favoured to start in the test ahead of Du Toit, both are likely to be in the mix with Wilco Louw set to get a breather this weekend after two consecutive tests in two weeks on two continents.

Proudfoot believes that Du Toit “has the personality” to become a tighthead great, and is learning a lot in the Springbok environment.

“Every prop has ups and downs. But I think he is coming along very well. He is learning a lot,” Proudfoot said.

“ It is nice having Schalk (Brits) in the team, it brings a new understanding and him passing on that knowledge in the scrums and you see the young guys drawing from it and that is the environment we want to create. Thomas is taking that on board and people wonder if he can be a tighthead or not. He has the personality to be. It is my job to make him that and I think he is good at it.”

Proudfoot underlined the fact that the Boks will “chop and change” their front row combinations in order to try and find the right combination ahead of next year’s World Cup.

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/180613_Du_Toits_stocks_rise_in_Bok_setup


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Chilli wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Chilli wrote:
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If we want a scrumhalf that can kick for certain games, ask Pienaar to come back? van Zyl definitely does not look the part

Fvck right off! x(



But we have just brought back a 37yr old retired hooker.

Pienaar has been consistently good in Europe for a while now (didn't see him this season) - if the plodding kicking game is required in wet conditions are you saying he would be worse than van Zyl?

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/cup-competitions/ruan-pienaar-stars-for-montpellier-before-bok-squad-announcement-15172166

Ruin is kak.


Kakker than van Zyl?!? I am not saying he should be the starter but he would be a damn sight more useful as a 3rd scrummie in the squad.


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BokJock wrote:
Chilli wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Chilli wrote:
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If we want a scrumhalf that can kick for certain games, ask Pienaar to come back? van Zyl definitely does not look the part

Fvck right off! x(



But we have just brought back a 37yr old retired hooker.

Pienaar has been consistently good in Europe for a while now (didn't see him this season) - if the plodding kicking game is required in wet conditions are you saying he would be worse than van Zyl?

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/cup-competitions/ruan-pienaar-stars-for-montpellier-before-bok-squad-announcement-15172166

Ruin is kak.


Kakker than van Zyl?!? I am not saying he should be the starter but he would be a damn sight more useful as a 3rd scrummie in the squad.

Agreed. Who would you have on the bench at the RWC next year? Pienaar or Van Zyl?


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ABR
Anyone But Ruin!

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Chilli wrote:
ABR
Anyone But Ruin!

x(


Makes sense MOTM in the Top 14 semi-final vs The Other Guy from the last placed team in the South African Conference


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Launchbury is apparently cleared to play in the test. Great news.


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ABR
Anyone But Ruin!

x(


Makes sense MOTM in the Top 14 semi-final vs The Other Guy from the last placed team in the South African Conference

Pfft! Easy Rugby. ;)


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Bloem a sell out?

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Boks v England in Bloem nearing a sell-out

Bloemfontein - There are not many tickets left for this weekend's clash between the Springboks and England in Bloemfontein.

By lunch time on Wednesday, over 37 000 tickets had been sold for the second Test at Toyota Stadium.

A Cheetahs spokesperson confirmed to Sport24 that, although the venue can hold up to 46 000, just over 40 000 tickets had been made available for the match.

With two full days of ticket selling remaining, it seems highly likely that the stadium will be sold out by Saturday.

Tickets are still available at the stadium offices or online at www.fscheetahs.co.za.

Around 55 000 people attended the first Test at Ellis Park in Johannesburg, where the Boks came back to beat England 42-39.

Kick-off on Saturday is at 17:05.


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handyman wrote:
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Rassie might make more changes on the bench to give other players a chance - Orie, Mohoje, Papier, Junior, Mapimpi

I will only be happy with Papier and Mapimpi from that bunch.

Agree. That being said, Orie did well (better than Jenkins) when he came on against Wales. With our current lock options though, I wouldn't see him in the picture.


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Springbok Thomas du Toit may well be new at tighthead, but according to Bok assistant coach MProudfoot he fast becoming a real asset to the national side.
Du Toit switched across the scrum at the beginning of the season and is on a steep learning curve, but has progressed well enough for him to be considered for Saturday’s second test against England. While Frans Malherbe is favoured to start in the test ahead of Du Toit, both are likely to be in the mix with Wilco Louw set to get a breather this weekend after two consecutive tests in two weeks on two continents.

Proudfoot believes that Du Toit “has the personality” to become a tighthead great, and is learning a lot in the Springbok environment.

“Every prop has ups and downs. But I think he is coming along very well. He is learning a lot,” Proudfoot said.

“ It is nice having Schalk (Brits) in the team, it brings a new understanding and him passing on that knowledge in the scrums and you see the young guys drawing from it and that is the environment we want to create. Thomas is taking that on board and people wonder if he can be a tighthead or not. He has the personality to be. It is my job to make him that and I think he is good at it.”

Proudfoot underlined the fact that the Boks will “chop and change” their front row combinations in order to try and find the right combination ahead of next year’s World Cup.

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/180613_Du_Toits_stocks_rise_in_Bok_setup

When Coenie/Trevor return, that's a pretty decent TH group to pick from: Coenie, Thomas, Malherbe, Wilco, Trevor :thumbup:


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Springbok Thomas du Toit may well be new at tighthead, but according to Bok assistant coach MProudfoot he fast becoming a real asset to the national side.
Du Toit switched across the scrum at the beginning of the season and is on a steep learning curve, but has progressed well enough for him to be considered for Saturday’s second test against England. While Frans Malherbe is favoured to start in the test ahead of Du Toit, both are likely to be in the mix with Wilco Louw set to get a breather this weekend after two consecutive tests in two weeks on two continents.

Proudfoot believes that Du Toit “has the personality” to become a tighthead great, and is learning a lot in the Springbok environment.

“Every prop has ups and downs. But I think he is coming along very well. He is learning a lot,” Proudfoot said.

“ It is nice having Schalk (Brits) in the team, it brings a new understanding and him passing on that knowledge in the scrums and you see the young guys drawing from it and that is the environment we want to create. Thomas is taking that on board and people wonder if he can be a tighthead or not. He has the personality to be. It is my job to make him that and I think he is good at it.”

Proudfoot underlined the fact that the Boks will “chop and change” their front row combinations in order to try and find the right combination ahead of next year’s World Cup.

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/180613_Du_Toits_stocks_rise_in_Bok_setup

When Coenie/Trevor return, that's a pretty decent TH group to pick from: Coenie, Thomas, Malherbe, Wilco, Trevor :thumbup:


Blessed with excellent tight five depth at the moment, except maybe hooker although Bongi did well on saturday


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BokJock wrote:
saffer13 wrote:
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Springbok Thomas du Toit may well be new at tighthead, but according to Bok assistant coach MProudfoot he fast becoming a real asset to the national side.
Du Toit switched across the scrum at the beginning of the season and is on a steep learning curve, but has progressed well enough for him to be considered for Saturday’s second test against England. While Frans Malherbe is favoured to start in the test ahead of Du Toit, both are likely to be in the mix with Wilco Louw set to get a breather this weekend after two consecutive tests in two weeks on two continents.

Proudfoot believes that Du Toit “has the personality” to become a tighthead great, and is learning a lot in the Springbok environment.

“Every prop has ups and downs. But I think he is coming along very well. He is learning a lot,” Proudfoot said.

“ It is nice having Schalk (Brits) in the team, it brings a new understanding and him passing on that knowledge in the scrums and you see the young guys drawing from it and that is the environment we want to create. Thomas is taking that on board and people wonder if he can be a tighthead or not. He has the personality to be. It is my job to make him that and I think he is good at it.”

Proudfoot underlined the fact that the Boks will “chop and change” their front row combinations in order to try and find the right combination ahead of next year’s World Cup.

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/180613_Du_Toits_stocks_rise_in_Bok_setup

When Coenie/Trevor return, that's a pretty decent TH group to pick from: Coenie, Thomas, Malherbe, Wilco, Trevor :thumbup:


Blessed with excellent tight five depth at the moment, except maybe hooker although Bongi did well on saturday

Nah, we're fine at tight 5, including hooker. Even at loosie we're covered well if you look at contributions from PSDT and even Mostert in those positions this year. Forward are looking the business if everyone stays healthy.

My questions still remain with the backline, more about the lack of quality depth in some positions. 9 and 10 in particular.


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Bloem a sell out?

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Boks v England in Bloem nearing a sell-out

Bloemfontein - There are not many tickets left for this weekend's clash between the Springboks and England in Bloemfontein.

By lunch time on Wednesday, over 37 000 tickets had been sold for the second Test at Toyota Stadium.

A Cheetahs spokesperson confirmed to Sport24 that, although the venue can hold up to 46 000, just over 40 000 tickets had been made available for the match.

With two full days of ticket selling remaining, it seems highly likely that the stadium will be sold out by Saturday.

Tickets are still available at the stadium offices or online at http://www.fscheetahs.co.za.

Around 55 000 people attended the first Test at Ellis Park in Johannesburg, where the Boks came back to beat England 42-39.

Kick-off on Saturday is at 17:05.




Wow. Bloem last sold out in the days of Gysie Pienaar and Rassie Erasmus ...


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Springbok Thomas du Toit may well be new at tighthead, but according to Bok assistant coach MProudfoot he fast becoming a real asset to the national side.
Du Toit switched across the scrum at the beginning of the season and is on a steep learning curve, but has progressed well enough for him to be considered for Saturday’s second test against England. While Frans Malherbe is favoured to start in the test ahead of Du Toit, both are likely to be in the mix with Wilco Louw set to get a breather this weekend after two consecutive tests in two weeks on two continents.

Proudfoot believes that Du Toit “has the personality” to become a tighthead great, and is learning a lot in the Springbok environment.

“Every prop has ups and downs. But I think he is coming along very well. He is learning a lot,” Proudfoot said.

“ It is nice having Schalk (Brits) in the team, it brings a new understanding and him passing on that knowledge in the scrums and you see the young guys drawing from it and that is the environment we want to create. Thomas is taking that on board and people wonder if he can be a tighthead or not. He has the personality to be. It is my job to make him that and I think he is good at it.”

Proudfoot underlined the fact that the Boks will “chop and change” their front row combinations in order to try and find the right combination ahead of next year’s World Cup.

https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/180613_Du_Toits_stocks_rise_in_Bok_setup

When Coenie/Trevor return, that's a pretty decent TH group to pick from: Coenie, Thomas, Malherbe, Wilco, Trevor :thumbup:


Blessed with excellent tight five depth at the moment, except maybe hooker although Bongi did well on saturday



Chilliboy will be back. And Adriaan Strauss is fully recovered from his 2016 back surgery, he can return too. Together with Marx they would make a bench.
Bismarck can stay put in France, AFAIC ... .


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Eish, shark dropped for a stormer, Ox is just gonna have an instant dump.

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Eish, shark dropped for a stormer, Ox is just gonna have an instant dump.

Rage, RAGE my friend, against the dying of the light...

And Malherbe jumps Thomas into the starting role. Then just wait until Ginger takes over from Beast. :shock:


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England: 15 Elliot Daly, 14 Jonny May, 13 Henry Slade, 12 Owen Farrell (captain), 11 Mike Brown, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Tom Curry, 6 Brad Shields, 5 Maro Itoje, 4 Joe Launchbury, 3 Kyle Sinckler, 2 Jamie George, 1 Mako Vunipola
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