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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:53 pm 
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It will be interesting to see how the Washington backline goes on Saturday after more training time and being more used to what they are allowed to do on the field.

In Washington it was their first test under Rassie, after two practice days, and they stuck fairly rigidly to the game plan. Hopefully conditions on Saturday will allow them more freedom


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It will be interesting to see how the Washington backline goes on Saturday after more training time and being more used to what they are allowed to do on the field.

In Washington it was their first test under Rassie, after two practice days, and they stuck fairly rigidly to the game plan. Hopefully conditions on Saturday will allow them more freedom



I am also looking forward to this.......

Most of all........Faf will be contributing more to the backline and not kicking every fooking ball away


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Great pic Jensra...you are the " Ultimate Springbok supporter "... :thumbup:


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Jantjies gonna make AE look bad... then everyone will ask for DDA back.


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Jantjies gonna make AE look bad... then everyone will ask for DDA back.



Irrespective of his shocking hairstyles...Junktjies passes a lot more than Pollard


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Will be pleasantly surprised if we win with that team
Really hope for a guy like Galant he is not part of yet another losing test
One day that back three will do serious damage though


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happy enough with the side, save for Kriel and Jantjies being there


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:11 pm 
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Great pic Jensra...you are the " Ultimate Springbok supporter "... :thumbup:

All that Jens is showing is that Beast is a better option at 12 than DDA.


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Sards wrote:
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Jantjies gonna make AE look bad... then everyone will ask for DDA back.



Irrespective of his shocking hairstyles...Junktjies passes a lot more than Pollard


:s Because Pollard carries it up.


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Proper Bok 10.


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Why have there been no mid-week games on this tour?


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I'd just like an honest answer to this question.

We all know how rubbish Coetzee was as the Bok coach. Sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder. So we've all been hankering for the return of Pollard to the test team.

However, can anyone seriously say that Pollard would have done better under Coetzee then Jantjies? And this question could be asked of any player that didn't perform under Coetzee.

Can we honestly say results would have been better?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:04 pm 
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I'd just like an honest answer to this question.

We all know how rubbish Coetzee was as the Bok coach. Sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder. So we've all been hankering for the return of Pollard to the test team.

However, can anyone seriously say that Pollard would have done better under Coetzee then Jantjies? And this question could be asked of any player that didn't perform under Coetzee.

AC was a crap Bok coach who coached good players to play crap and produced crap results.

To answer your question, Junkies played crap under AC at both the Stomps and Boks. Seemingly the coach who gets the best out of Junkies is Akkerman and to a much lesser extent De Bruin. I am sure that we all hope that Rassie and De Bruin get Junkies to play to the same level as he did for Akkerman.


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Happy enough with that team given the players available and since we've wrapped up the series. Let's hope they can make it 3-0. Go Bokke!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:51 pm 
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Esterhuizen has earned his shot. In the long term it is all academic. In a year or two that prince of centres Dan Dup will start.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Very glad to see him back and playing for WP.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:54 pm 
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Rassie should start Oupa at #6. He's a very capable player. Strong carrier, hard working on defence and an extra lineout option.

He also covers lock.

Ah...the anti-Kolisi group again :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:59 pm 
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Chilli wrote:
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AE was clearly our best player against Wales and has been mostly excellent all season for the Sharks. Ridiculously improved this year. DDA has been consistently poor now for the last 2 seasons at least and was awful on Saturday. There’s no point in making metres if you’re going to die with, or lose the ball as often as he does. It’s a no-brainer, AE has to start this weekend.

So since losing the ball in contact is the tie breaker here...as mentioned above, AE lost the ball a couple times and ruined a certain overlap is his last (or second last) SR match. One of the times he lost the ball it was in the process of trying to run over the defender pretty much over the try line. By your criteria he should certainly not be the option.


:?

It’s far from the tie breaker but it happening 4 times in one match is not something I can ever remember happening with AE. He’s also simply in better form.


4 Times...maybe hasn't happened yet but when one of the two was with AE practically over the try line and still trying to bounce a player (botched certain try) and then in the same game he also tried to run over another player instead of playing the overlap (botched certain try) but it's different because it's AE :lol:

Point is, your argument for playing AE instead of DDA is invalid using the criteria you cited. Ball security and "rugby smarts"

So Yank in the current Bok set up, who would your 12 be and why?

chilli - given the current squad and players available for THIS tour, AE has earned a start. Doesn't mean I'm excited about him, just like I'm not over the moon with DDA...

Hell, even if it means Jantjies starts at 10 (like he is this weekend), I'd prefer Pollard at 12 ahead of AE and DDA for that matter. I would also have liked to see Am stay at 13 in that case.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:28 pm 
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Jantjies selected ahead of Pollard in what promises to be a kicking game? Rassie thinks Jantjies has a better kicking game than Pollard? Surprise !!!

To me as well.

Junior left out. Wearing a backwards cap? Meh

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Rassie looking for a scapegoat? Playing the best running 10 in heavy weather?

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A howling north-wester, a good likelihood of rain.

With those expectations quite firmly on the radar for Newlands on Saturday, Elton Jantjies isn’t exactly going to be operating in most desirable conditions for him when South Africa tackle England in the third Test.

Perhaps that is exactly what Rassie Erasmus wants in the dead-rubber exercise: to gauge whether the enigmatic Jantjies can cut it at the premier level on a heavy surface.

...

The Lions pivot is understandably far more at home in dry, benign, hard-pitch circumstances for his beloved franchise, where best prospects usually arise for him to govern a game in his dynamic, sleight-of-hand style.

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/boks-boom-or-bust-for-elton-20180621


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Boths sides playing 10s best suited for putting players in to space rather than a kicking game. Could be an interesting game on a wet pitch with two 10s more suited to dry fast pitches


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The only thing guaranteed is that Jantjies will be the scapegoat if the Boks lose.

Played on a wet field in Washington with 13 debutants and no established combinations. He got blamed even though Junior lost us the match.

Playing at Newlands, on a wet field, with rookies at 11, 12, 14 and 15 and no established combinations in the backline.

Why wait to rip into Jantjies? Might as well do it now.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:36 am 
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The only thing guaranteed is that Jantjies will be the scapegoat if the Boks lose.

Played on a wet field in Washington with 13 debutants and no established combinations. He got blamed even though Junior lost us the match.

Playing at Newlands, on a wet field, with rookies at 11, 12, 14 and 15 and no established combinations in the backline.

Why wait to rip into Jantjies? Might as well do it now.



Wait....what. Dup Junior was the escape goat. Everyone hated Van Zyl not Junktjies


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:15 am 
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Jensrsa wrote:
The only thing guaranteed is that Jantjies will be the scapegoat if the Boks lose.

Played on a wet field in Washington with 13 debutants and no established combinations. He got blamed even though Junior lost us the match.

Playing at Newlands, on a wet field, with rookies at 11, 12, 14 and 15 and no established combinations in the backline.

Why wait to rip into Jantjies? Might as well do it now.

Jens, surely a flyhalf who earns millions of Rands to play rugby at Test level should be able to play To that Test Level in wet and / or dry conditions?
He might be slightly better on a dry pitch, but as a paid professional the emphasis is on the word slightly.
If those outside of him are crap, well they are crap.

I think that you might find that EJ played poorly against Wales, as did a few of the Boks, and that most agree that Junior's two charge downs cost us the match.


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Chilli wrote:
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I'd just like an honest answer to this question.

We all know how rubbish Coetzee was as the Bok coach. Sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder. So we've all been hankering for the return of Pollard to the test team.

However, can anyone seriously say that Pollard would have done better under Coetzee then Jantjies? And this question could be asked of any player that didn't perform under Coetzee.

AC was a crap Bok coach who coached good players to play crap and produced crap results.

To answer your question, Junkies played crap under AC at both the Stomps and Boks. Seemingly the coach who gets the best out of Junkies is Akkerman and to a much lesser extent De Bruin. I am sure that we all hope that Rassie and De Bruin get Junkies to play to the same level as he did for Akkerman.


Thanks Chilli.

I'm hoping for an honest response from Sards as well. If that is possible on THIS issue.


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ArnoldVDH wrote:
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ArnoldVDH wrote:
I'd just like an honest answer to this question.

We all know how rubbish Coetzee was as the Bok coach. Sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder. So we've all been hankering for the return of Pollard to the test team.

However, can anyone seriously say that Pollard would have done better under Coetzee then Jantjies? And this question could be asked of any player that didn't perform under Coetzee.

AC was a crap Bok coach who coached good players to play crap and produced crap results.

To answer your question, Junkies played crap under AC at both the Stomps and Boks. Seemingly the coach who gets the best out of Junkies is Akkerman and to a much lesser extent De Bruin. I am sure that we all hope that Rassie and De Bruin get Junkies to play to the same level as he did for Akkerman.


Thanks Chilli.

I'm hoping for an honest response from Sards as well. If that is possible on THIS issue.



I am trying my best not to get involved in hype...............

The quality of England leaves a lot of question marks..........

I will reserve judgement on the matter till we play the RC......


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About 6 posts from Jens making excusses for Jantjies, and that BEFORE the game :lol: Conditions is what it is, most top level teams have a established 10 that play most games. You don't have a flyhalf for wet games and one for dry games.

Man up Jens, man up.


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The more I look at that team sheet (the backline in particular) , the more uncomfortable I am with the amount of changes. We started to build something in the first two tests, and now it feels like a semi-new team. We just about sorted out our defensive issues, and now we've got a new fullback, flyhalf and centres.

I can sympathise with Jens. If we lose this, EJ will be the scapegoat.


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The more I look at that team sheet (the backline in particular) , the more uncomfortable I am with the amount of changes. We started to build something in the first two tests, and now it feels like a semi-new team. We just about sorted out our defensive issues, and now we've got a new fullback, flyhalf and centres.

I can sympathise with Jens. If we lose this, EJ will be the scapegoat.

And if he plays exceptionally well?


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And if he plays exceptionally well?


Then that's great, for the Boks. I certainly hope he does.


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And if he plays exceptionally well?


Then that's great, for the Boks. I certainly hope he does.


Actually. With Faf there and a much better all around team than Pollard had he has the opportunity to make a name for himself.


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I think that you might find that EJ played poorly against Wales


Apparently Rassie didn't think so as he only replaced Jantjies after 72 minutes when the Boks were in the lead.


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Jensrsa wrote:
Rassie looking for a scapegoat? Playing the best running 10 in heavy weather?

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A howling north-wester, a good likelihood of rain.

With those expectations quite firmly on the radar for Newlands on Saturday, Elton Jantjies isn’t exactly going to be operating in most desirable conditions for him when South Africa tackle England in the third Test.

Perhaps that is exactly what Rassie Erasmus wants in the dead-rubber exercise: to gauge whether the enigmatic Jantjies can cut it at the premier level on a heavy surface.

...

The Lions pivot is understandably far more at home in dry, benign, hard-pitch circumstances for his beloved franchise, where best prospects usually arise for him to govern a game in his dynamic, sleight-of-hand style.

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/boks-boom-or-bust-for-elton-20180621

The WC will be played during the Japanese autumn. Plenty wet and with a bit of wind. If he cant cut it in the rain they might as well drop him now.


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I think that you might find that EJ played poorly against Wales


Apparently Rassie didn't think so as he only replaced Jantjies after 72 minutes when the Boks were in the lead.


Yeah, with a rookie who landed up losing us the test [as you mentioned before]


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Chilli wrote:
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I think that you might find that EJ played poorly against Wales


Apparently Rassie didn't think so as he only replaced Jantjies after 72 minutes when the Boks were in the lead.


Yeah, with a rookie who landed up losing us the test [as you mentioned before]


To be fair, if it was Jantjies who'd made the mistakes Du Preez did, the whole of PR would have lined up in double quick time to slaughter him.

Du Preez got of very easy. Those kind of mistakes have nothing to do with being experienced at international level.


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ArnoldVDH wrote:
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I think that you might find that EJ played poorly against Wales


Apparently Rassie didn't think so as he only replaced Jantjies after 72 minutes when the Boks were in the lead.


Yeah, with a rookie who landed up losing us the test [as you mentioned before]


To be fair, if it was Jantjies who'd made the mistakes Du Preez did, the whole of PR would have lined up in double quick time to slaughter him.

Du Preez got of very easy. Those kind of mistakes have nothing to do with being experienced at international level.

Jensra has gotten over his dissapointment in the Lions representation in the boks. I suggest you do too. Stop being a suurbek


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ArnoldVDH wrote:
Chilli wrote:
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I think that you might find that EJ played poorly against Wales


Apparently Rassie didn't think so as he only replaced Jantjies after 72 minutes when the Boks were in the lead.


Yeah, with a rookie who landed up losing us the test [as you mentioned before]


To be fair, if it was Jantjies who'd made the mistakes Du Preez did, the whole of PR would have lined up in double quick time to slaughter him.

Du Preez got of very easy. Those kind of mistakes have nothing to do with being experienced at international level.

To be fair, Junkies is a very experienced Springbok flyhalf with 25 odd tests and 120 odd S Rugby caps. If he plays poorly then he is going to get a bit of stick.
Junior lost the match for us on his test debut, with 30 odd S Rugby caps. He was shit, cost us the match. He deserves a little less stick than Junkies.


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Du Preez got of very easy. Those kind of mistakes have nothing to do with being experienced at international level.


Got off easy? He won't play a minute of rugby against England and has been told by Rassie that he needs to go back to Super Rugby and improve, which is pretty harsh considering the season he's had for the Sharks.

Whilst I don't think he's quite Bok 10 level yet, I think he's taken a lot of the blame for that loss and I don't think we'll see him in a Bok jersey for the RC. So yea, he got off easy.


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I'm just pleased Schalk Brits is on the bench :o


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Jensrsa wrote:
The only thing guaranteed is that Jantjies will be the scapegoat if the Boks lose.

Played on a wet field in Washington with 13 debutants and no established combinations. He got blamed even though Junior lost us the match.

Playing at Newlands, on a wet field, with rookies at 11, 12, 14 and 15 and no established combinations in the backline.

Why wait to rip into Jantjies? Might as well do it now.


Pretty sure Rob du Preez was the scapegoat for that game, and in second was van Zyl. Jantjies wasn't scapegoated, it was just recognised that his performance wasn't what you would expect from a senior player.


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