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Is the Saudi military not very well equipped in terms of hardware from the West?
Doesn't matter, mind you. It's tied up bombing the shit out of Yemen.

They define the phrase: "All the gear but no idea".


I've heard as much. It's why I made sure to include reference to the hardware, specifically.



The Don might lend the some USA pilots ....


Our generals would rightly throw a fit and start throwing chairs if their pilots were to fly foreign-maintained aircraft in combat.

I worked one summer at a place that did all the aircraft maintenance/repair for Navy and Marine Corps aircraft. The Egyptians used to use our F-4's until the early 2000s, but they'd get flown back for rebuild every so often (sand gets everywhere, requires a lot of attention in machinery). Turns out the Egyptian pilots had itchy trigger fingers on using the ejection seat, so the Egyptians more or less nailed the ejection seat down to make it useless.

Pilot that flew the plane was told afterward "uh, this is what they did" and was pretty pissed.


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Our generals would rightly throw a fit and start throwing chairs if their pilots were to fly foreign-maintained aircraft in combat.

I worked one summer at a place that did all the aircraft maintenance/repair for Navy and Marine Corps aircraft. The Egyptians used to use our F-4's until the early 2000s, but they'd get flown back for rebuild every so often (sand gets everywhere, requires a lot of attention in machinery). Turns out the Egyptian pilots had itchy trigger fingers on using the ejection seat, so the Egyptians more or less nailed the ejection seat down to make it useless.

Pilot that flew the plane was told afterward "uh, this is what they did" and was pretty pissed.


Never knew you were are another military aeroplane guy!


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this world is gonna be a funny place when the oil is gone... what's the date for that ?


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this world is gonna be a funny place when the oil is gone... what's the date for that ?


FT reported shortly before Elon Musk tweeted "we're going private" that the Saudi sovereign wealth fund has a multi-billion dollar stake in Tesla.


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Considering Saudi involvement in 9/11, and the story that there was some Saudi govt involvement in it, that image of a plane flying into a tower from a govt website is a bit OTT.

Scumbags the whole lot of them.


And scumbags too the Western countries that enable them to do what they do. Including Canada.


The western relationship with the Saudi's always stuns me. The Saudi's basically are responsibly for funding most major terrorist groups that attack the wets or force western intervention and the spread of a sychotic version of Islam that is sending the world back centuries but nobody tells them to fcuk off, instread we pay them billions in oil money to fund this evil sh!t and go and freeze out every other country we could buy oil from. Not justifying Russia, Iran and the like but they seem like much lesser evils to me.


I totally agree.

I am pro trade pro arms industry, but honestly think it would have been better for everyone to get UN to invade saudi and divi up the country and its oil . The allies should have done this straight after ww2 instead of being obsessed about USSR.


Selling weapons to countries that fund terrorism in your own country, blowing up Kids at pop concerts etc, is mental - and many countries are to blame.


Ever been like this. Unbelievable who scored out of selling arms to their enemies.


I'm recalling some analysis and commentry somewhere that part of the reason we sell Saudi's weapons is largely because no one wants the unstable fucks to focus their terrorism support against them. Didn't Putin have a big bust-up with them in a meeting, the Saui's went "you watch" and soon after Russian train stations where suicide bombed?


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this world is gonna be a funny place when the oil is gone... what's the date for that ?

Thursday


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this world is gonna be a funny place when the oil is gone... what's the date for that ?

Thursday


Umm, spot the error MM. :lol: :lol: :P

Answer is obviously the 10th anyway. Things always happen on Friday afternoon during rush hour.


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Talked to one of my former colleagues at the UofC, they are losing students over this. Probably about 8,300 Saudi International Students will be leaving Canada in a month.

Meanwhile, back in Saudi Arabia.

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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia put a man to death on a cross in the holy city of Mecca on Wednesday, while waging a public relations battle to call out alleged human rights violations in Canada.

The execution came during a deepening dispute between the two countries sparked by Canadian criticism of how Saudi Arabia is treating jailed activists.

The crucified man, Elias Abulkalaam Jamaleddeen, stood accused of murder, theft, and attempted rape, according to Bloomberg.

Saudi Arabia, ruled by its interpretation of Islamic law, rarely carries out crucifixions, but capital punishment remains common.

Crimes such as attending anti-government rallies and homosexuality have contributed to crucifixion sentences in Saudi Arabia in the past.


Granted, this guy probably deserved a harsh punishment, but damn. Also, not sure how much I would trust the Saudi legal system.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/sa ... li=AAggNb9


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back when Donie was semi lucid.....there's another out there where he says 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in 9/11 attackers were from saudi arabia- cant find it though....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoUD86P ... gs=pl%2Cwn

then does an arms deal with them on his first foreign visit :lol:


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Canada recently just completed a large arms deal with them too. That actually came with a lot of domestic criticism for the Liberal government. Will be interesting to see what move Canada makes next. Honestly, I hope we don't back down and grow some balls.


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Talked to one of my former colleagues at the UofC, they are losing students over this. Probably about 8,300 Saudi International Students will be leaving Canada in a month.

Meanwhile, back in Saudi Arabia.

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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia put a man to death on a cross in the holy city of Mecca on Wednesday, while waging a public relations battle to call out alleged human rights violations in Canada.

The execution came during a deepening dispute between the two countries sparked by Canadian criticism of how Saudi Arabia is treating jailed activists.

The crucified man, Elias Abulkalaam Jamaleddeen, stood accused of murder, theft, and attempted rape, according to Bloomberg.

Saudi Arabia, ruled by its interpretation of Islamic law, rarely carries out crucifixions, but capital punishment remains common.

Crimes such as attending anti-government rallies and homosexuality have contributed to crucifixion sentences in Saudi Arabia in the past.


Granted, this guy probably deserved a harsh punishment, but damn. Also, not sure how much I would trust the Saudi legal system.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/sa ... li=AAggNb9


He’s a foreigner, no surprise there.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_568c ... d15e625f74


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Read a half decent article about this yesterday, can't remember where. Basically a win win for both sides here. Saudi Arabia isn't a particularly close ally with Canada, so this doesn't burn any serious bridges (as long as the US stays neutral) and it make it look tough and serves as a warning to other Western states to stay tfo of Saudi business - particularly as they're undertaking serious reforms. On Canada's side it allows Trudeau's government to grandstand on women's rights and try to make amends for selling arms to a state with an appalling human rights record and is complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity. The big losers of course are regular Saudi kids who have to move universities now to the states or wherever, and the Canadian universities that will miss out on those money spinners.


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Read a half decent article about this yesterday, can't remember where. Basically a win win for both sides here. Saudi Arabia isn't a particularly close ally with Canada, so this doesn't burn any serious bridges (as long as the US stays neutral) and it make it look tough and serves as a warning to other Western states to stay tfo of Saudi business - particularly as they're undertaking serious reforms. On Canada's side it allows Trudeau's government to grandstand on women's rights and try to make amends for selling arms to a state with an appalling human rights record and is complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity. The big losers of course are regular Saudi kids who have to move universities now to the states or wherever, and the Canadian universities that will miss out on those money spinners.


Disappointing but not surprising to see the complete silence coming from the US.


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Saudis . - Crappy drivers... crappy pilots..


I hope the Saudis choke on our CDN maple syrup we sent them...

So far this year, Canada has exported $1.4 billion in merchandise goods to Saudi Arabia and imported $2 billion, according to Statistics Canada data.


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Read a half decent article about this yesterday, can't remember where. Basically a win win for both sides here. Saudi Arabia isn't a particularly close ally with Canada, so this doesn't burn any serious bridges (as long as the US stays neutral) and it make it look tough and serves as a warning to other Western states to stay tfo of Saudi business - particularly as they're undertaking serious reforms. On Canada's side it allows Trudeau's government to grandstand on women's rights and try to make amends for selling arms to a state with an appalling human rights record and is complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity. The big losers of course are regular Saudi kids who have to move universities now to the states or wherever, and the Canadian universities that will miss out on those money spinners.


Disappointing but not surprising to see the complete silence coming from the US.

To be honest, we should be grateful.

I can't think Trump would be supporting Canada in this.


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Washinton Post first ever Arabic Editorial in support of Canucks...

Great to see / read

What Ms. Freeland and Canada correctly understand is that human rights and basic liberty are universal values, not the property of kings and dictators to arbitrarily grant and remove on a whim. Saudi Arabia’s long-standing practice of denying basic rights to citizens, especially women — and its particularly cruel treatment of some dissidents, such as the public lashes meted out to Mr. Badawi — are matters of legitimate concern to all democracies and free societies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 3b9735c300


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They move quick these Saudis.

Canadian police say at least four people have been killed in a shooting in the eastern city of Fredericton, New Brunswick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45146056


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Saudis withdrawing students and halting Canadian investment as well as selling off Canadian assets “no matter the cost”. And people call Trump a piss baby.


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They move quick these Saudis.

Canadian police say at least four people have been killed in a shooting in the eastern city of Fredericton, New Brunswick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45146056


Matthew Vincent Raymond is an unusual Saudi name...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-bruns ... -1.4782007


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Saudis withdrawing students and halting Canadian investment as well as selling off Canadian assets “no matter the cost”. And people call Trump a piss baby.



Good riddance. Country is better off when we do not let rich human rights deniers into our country..... and then subsidize their university education for them......


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Saudis withdrawing students and halting Canadian investment as well as selling off Canadian assets “no matter the cost”. And people call Trump a piss baby.



Good riddance. Country is better off when we do not let rich human rights deniers into our country..... and then subsidize their university education for them......


I don't disagree with 'good riddance' but do we subsidize? I was among the lowest at uni admissions department for a short while. Including my time working for a couple of private secondary schools, it always sounded like we want the huge fees all foreign students pay (indicated by the money they spend on foreign recruitment, especially in actually sending highly paid employees over to court them).


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:34 pm 
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They move quick these Saudis.

Canadian police say at least four people have been killed in a shooting in the eastern city of Fredericton, New Brunswick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45146056


Fail.

But you weren't the only one dying to blame it on muslims tbf.


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Trudeau's foreign policy seems to be going well.


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Trudeau's foreign policy seems to be going well.


This is a win for him, no mistake.


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Fracking right


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Uthikoloshe wrote:
They move quick these Saudis.

Canadian police say at least four people have been killed in a shooting in the eastern city of Fredericton, New Brunswick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45146056


Coincidentally just read a book about one of Fredericton's favourite sons, Willie O'Ree, the first black player in the NHL, blind in one eye no less.


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Trudeau's foreign policy seems to be going well.


This is a win for him, no mistake.

Fuk u justin truedough jon eels wants his haircut back


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Considering Saudi involvement in 9/11, and the story that there was some Saudi govt involvement in it, that image of a plane flying into a tower from a govt website is a bit OTT.

Scumbags the whole lot of them.


And scumbags too the Western countries that enable them to do what they do. Including Canada.


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Those Saudis....A.


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its getting worse


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Me larfing :thumbup:


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flaggETERNAL wrote:
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Considering Saudi involvement in 9/11, and the story that there was some Saudi govt involvement in it, that image of a plane flying into a tower from a govt website is a bit OTT.

Scumbags the whole lot of them.


And scumbags too the Western countries that enable them to do what they do. Including Canada.


:yawn:


In what way is my post untrue. Or boring for that matter. :x


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I don't see a thread on the supposed assassination of Khashoggi?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/opinion/jamal-khashoggi-mbs-saudi-republicans.html


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It’s not surprising, however, that the Saudi government would think it could get away with it. The United States has long maintained a close strategic relationship with Saudi Arabia despite the kingdom’s abysmal human rights record, and tacit American support for its brutal war in Yemen began during Barack Obama’s administration. But there’s never been an American president as enthusiastically pro-Saudi as Trump.


Not since HW Bush anyway.


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It’s not surprising, however, that the Saudi government would think it could get away with it. The United States has long maintained a close strategic relationship with Saudi Arabia despite the kingdom’s abysmal human rights record, and tacit American support for its brutal war in Yemen began during Barack Obama’s administration. But there’s never been an American president as enthusiastically pro-Saudi as Trump.


Not since HW Bush anyway.


There must be some person that connects the two...

Anyway, this business with the journalist apparently killed in the embassy and then carted off in bits is just another thing to ignore.

The oil must flow.


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So how long is the world gonna tolerate these twats ?


It's sad that Iran, Arab, Russia and Global warming problems can be solved by conversion to renewable energy but no one wants to talk about that.


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