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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:11 pm 
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Reckon it looks pretty damn good. Aussies, your thoughts?

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Veteran halfback Will Genia has called for the Wallabies’ indigenous jersey to be worn in every Test match to celebrate Australia being a proudly multi-cultural country.

Genia’s suggestion came as Australian and New Zealand players both leapt to the defence of the All Black’s famous haka, amid yet another faux controversy about the pre-game challenge.

A new book by a British journalist claims to quote former All Blacks prop Kees Meeuws as saying the haka was overused and losing its significance in Test matches.

The All Blacks, who are in Sydney preparing for the opening Bledisloe Cup, shot down the notion of the haka being too commercialised, however and said Meeuws had been misquoted.

Wallabies players said they loved facing the haka, and appreciated its significance in Maori and New Zealand culture.

“It is really special in that regard. How much it is used, that’s up to them,” Australian flanker David Pocock said.

Australian players said they treasured the opportunity to incorporate indigenous Australian culture on the Wallabies jersey last year, when they wore the specially-designed kit against the All Blacks in Brisbane.

The Wallabies beat New Zealand and there was widespread agreement the jersey should be used at least once a year.

When the jersey will be used this season has not yet been decided but it is understood Wallabies officials are considering wearing it against England at Twickenham in November.

Genia believes it should be worn more than once a year, however.

"I would love to wear it all the time. I am not the boss but I certainly think they should think about. Because it is a representation of all our cultures, and I think that part should be emphasised as any other part,” Genia said.

“I felt pretty privileged to wear that jersey in what it represents. Having someone special like Kurtley a part of the group, it has extra significance for this particular group. I love it.”

The Wallabies take huge pride, Genia added, in being a slice of wider Australia: a group of people from many different lands who call Australia home.

“I think that is something really special about Australia. You look at the Wallaby team now there are I think that’s what makes this country a special place and makes it great to be a part of as a representation of that,” Genia said.

“That’s why I think it is important. You probably shouldn’t refer to it as the indigenous jersey, it should just be the Australian jersey, in a sense. Because we are all Australian.”

Genia said criticism of the haka being commercialised was off the mark.

“They don’t do it for commercial purpose. They do it because it is something that is important to them in terms of their culture,” he said.

“From our perspective, we have an incredible amount of respect for it.”

All Blacks coach Steve Hansen launched a defence of the pre-game ritual in response to the debate and players Sam Cane and Ben Smith echoed that passion on Monday.

Cane said he believed Meeuws was misrepresented and the haka was certainly held in as high regard as ever by the All Blacks.

“The only article I've seen around it was on Kees Meeuws and we've been informed that unfortunately he was misquoted so that's a shame,” he said.

“But from an All Blacks point of view we love doing the haka.

http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2018/08/13 ... indig-haka


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Do you adopt it year round (looks great, meaningful) or only use it on special occasions to avoid it becoming a cheap marketing gimic like the haka. Tough call.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:28 pm 
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Zakar wrote:
Do you adopt it year round (looks great, meaningful) or only use it on special occasions to avoid it becoming a cheap marketing gimic like the haka. Tough call.


oh Zakar, I see what you did there!

Considering that, throughout history, more new zealanders have represented Australis than your indigenous people then I think you should probably adopt the haka as a sign of respect, before considering anything else.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:31 pm 
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Zakar wrote:
Do you adopt it year round (looks great, meaningful) or only use it on special occasions to avoid it becoming a cheap marketing gimic like the haka. Tough call.



:lol:

Yet another bitter Bledisloe-less ocker.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:38 pm 
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I'm sure there are plenty of good artists in Oz that could put together a clever jersey that merged the traditional Wallabies one, with a significant indigenous theme; to show the merging of the two stories.

Don't separate the histories, merge them; but do it tastefully, & honestly :thumbup:


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Don't like the idea, the only permanent feature is green and gold. You can commemorate various events with extra design if you want.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:59 pm 
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I'm sure there are plenty of good artists in Oz that could put together a clever jersey that merged the traditional Wallabies one, with a significant indigenous theme; to show the merging of the two stories.

Don't separate the histories, merge them; but do it tastefully, & honestly :thumbup:


Doesn't it do that with the gold & green? Or do you mean you want more of a narrative, like white folk turning up in chains, liberating themselves, before imprisoning the locals.....


Shoudn't have said that but had a couple of tinnies and fun got the better of me.


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Don't like the idea, the only permanent feature is green and gold. You can commemorate various events with extra design if you want.


I don't know man. The one pictured looks pretty good. It's not too garish and doesn't take away from the green and gold.


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booze wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Do you adopt it year round (looks great, meaningful) or only use it on special occasions to avoid it becoming a cheap marketing gimic like the haka. Tough call.


oh Zakar, I see what you did there!

Considering that, throughout history, more new zealanders have represented Australis than your indigenous people then I think you should probably adopt the haka as a sign of respect, before considering anything else.


Is that true, or are you just taking the piss out of Zakar, again?


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flaggETERNAL wrote:
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Don't like the idea, the only permanent feature is green and gold. You can commemorate various events with extra design if you want.


I don't know man. The one pictured looks pretty good. It's not too garish and doesn't take away from the green and gold.


Gotta agree. I like it.


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LandOTurk wrote:
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I'm sure there are plenty of good artists in Oz that could put together a clever jersey that merged the traditional Wallabies one, with a significant indigenous theme; to show the merging of the two stories.

Don't separate the histories, merge them; but do it tastefully, & honestly :thumbup:


Doesn't it do that with the gold & green? Or do you mean you want more of a narrative, like white folk turning up in chains, liberating themselves, before imprisoning the locals.....


Shoudn't have said that but had a couple of tinnies and fun got the better of me.


I agree that the existing one looks good; but saying that that is the 'indigenous' jersey, just copper fastens it as; not Australian.

I was kind of imaging a new standard of jersey, that made something like the 'indigenous' jersey, the new basic jersey, & then the different 'sides' of the european, & indigenous changed, to reflect the different immigrant & indigenous tribal stories; but all as part of the green & gold. Think, different histories, but same shared future.


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Zakar wrote:
Do you adopt it year round (looks great, meaningful) or only use it on special occasions to avoid it becoming a cheap marketing gimic like the haka. Tough call.


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Beat the All Blacks once and it's all about the jersey!

Looks great though and would be good for marketing to incorporate the indigenous designs full time. Much like NZ have done with the Maori All Blacks jersey which looks awesome.

A few countries have changed their design over time.

Would there be much objection from the old school private school boys?


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Something something SJWallabies


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Piltdown Man wrote:
Zakar wrote:
Do you adopt it year round (looks great, meaningful) or only use it on special occasions to avoid it becoming a cheap marketing gimic like the haka. Tough call.



:lol:

Yet another bitter Bledisloe-less ocker.



Piltdown Mong in yet another not-getting-the-joke shocker.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:02 pm 
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The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:06 pm 
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pwaaaa, aussies are fùckers, but for the good of rugby, bring back that kit (socks included) :

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and Fùck that so-called .... gold x(


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:07 pm 
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CrazyIslander wrote:
The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



All Black perfectly represents the unitary nature of the hive.

Loyal, singular, and ruled by a queen who makes the babies


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:09 pm 
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The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



They don't need to - it's nice that the ARU are trying to involve the indigenous community with the Wallabies but it's only necessary to do it so publicly because they've neglected them for decades. Maori have been an intrinsic part of the All Blacks since before they were the All Blacks.


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Sounds like a desperate attempt to get some publicity for the upcoming game.

Frankly, rugby as a sport has a terrible history of discrimination against our indigenous peoples.

Once a year is justifiable. When we have as many indigenous kids playing the game per capita as the ARL and AFL maybe we can hold our heads up. In the meantime we should ensure that we all remember our past misdeeds as a code.


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shanky wrote:
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The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



All Black perfectly represents the unitary nature of the hive.

Loyal, singular, and ruled by a queen who makes the babies


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I was thinking more Queen Bee

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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



They don't need to - it's nice that the ARU are trying to involve the indigenous community with the Wallabies but it's only necessary to do it so publicly because they've neglected them for decades. Maori have been an intrinsic part of the All Blacks since before they were the All Blacks.


Except of course when they had to go to South Africa.


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Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



They don't need to - it's nice that the ARU are trying to involve the indigenous community with the Wallabies but it's only necessary to do it so publicly because they've neglected them for decades. Maori have been an intrinsic part of the All Blacks since before they were the All Blacks.


Except of course when they had to go to South Africa.



Yeah, that was shit.


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Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



They don't need to - it's nice that the ARU are trying to involve the indigenous community with the Wallabies but it's only necessary to do it so publicly because they've neglected them for decades. Maori have been an intrinsic part of the All Blacks since before they were the All Blacks.


Except of course when they had to go to South Africa.


Was there uproar when the Wallabies were forced to leave all their indigenous players behind on tours to SA as well?


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Gold? That's just fancy talk for yellow.


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Gold? That's just fancy talk for yellow.


Other way round.

The original was a rough, back-of-the-throat gutteral germanic 'g' in gold

It shifted to a fancy frogified front-of-the-mouth 'y' in yellow (or 'j' in jaune)


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The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.


like this?

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That jersey hasn't been used for a while, though.

Occasional commemorative rather than permanent would describe it, even for the Maori AB (assuming from the box around the AIG)

Fair enuff


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CrazyIslander wrote:
Don't like the idea, the only permanent feature is green and gold. You can commemorate various events with extra design if you want.


Would need a whole lot of red, a bunch of invisible children, and a few sheep to be historically accurate. :twisted:


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CrazyIslander wrote:
Don't like the idea, the only permanent feature is green and gold. You can commemorate various events with extra design if you want.


Would need a whole lot of red, a bunch of invisible children, and a few sheep to be historically accurate. :twisted:

A paucity really. NZers must have about 20 sheep each!


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slight segue, was this black & gold jersey from the recent "Trial" match?
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Almost sounds like Unzid have copyrighted Bleck©
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Although I believe said jersey was green
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naki wrote:
Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



They don't need to - it's nice that the ARU are trying to involve the indigenous community with the Wallabies but it's only necessary to do it so publicly because they've neglected them for decades. Maori have been an intrinsic part of the All Blacks since before they were the All Blacks.


Except of course when they had to go to South Africa.


Was there uproar when the Wallabies were forced to leave all their indigenous players behind on tours to SA as well?



GS will be hauling you up before the beak on whatabouttery charges if you’re not careful. :uhoh:


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naki wrote:
Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



They don't need to - it's nice that the ARU are trying to involve the indigenous community with the Wallabies but it's only necessary to do it so publicly because they've neglected them for decades. Maori have been an intrinsic part of the All Blacks since before they were the All Blacks.


Except of course when they had to go to South Africa.


Was there uproar when the Wallabies were forced to leave all their indigenous players behind on tours to SA as well?


Which ones were those? Lloyd McDermott withdrew rather than travel as an 'honorary white' and we stopped going there in 1969 and booted them out in 1971.


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Was there uproar when the Wallabies were forced to leave all their indigenous players behind on tours to SA as well?
GS will be hauling you up before the beak on whatabouttery charges if you’re not careful. :uhoh:

Naki is safe; the GS radar is not full band. He likes to concentrate his efforts on a few justice topics.

But I think it was only the 1960 NZ tour to SA where the Saffas point-blank refused entry to blackfellas. They really didn't like the darker tones at that time but thereafter would bestow honorary status to let tanned blokes in (an offer not always taken up, of course).


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Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



They don't need to - it's nice that the ARU are trying to involve the indigenous community with the Wallabies but it's only necessary to do it so publicly because they've neglected them for decades. Maori have been an intrinsic part of the All Blacks since before they were the All Blacks.


Except of course when they had to go to South Africa.


I cringe when I see those old videos of the Haka. Seems incredible it was performed so poorly for so long before Buck got ahold if it.


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So this is the official spite thread???

Edit: 🤣🤣🤣. Just looked at the last page of the official match thread...🤦🏻‍♂️


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shanky wrote:
naki wrote:
Brumbie_Steve wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
The ABs should put a design in their jersey to honour the Maori people.



They don't need to - it's nice that the ARU are trying to involve the indigenous community with the Wallabies but it's only necessary to do it so publicly because they've neglected them for decades. Maori have been an intrinsic part of the All Blacks since before they were the All Blacks.


Except of course when they had to go to South Africa.


Was there uproar when the Wallabies were forced to leave all their indigenous players behind on tours to SA as well?



GS will be hauling you up before the beak on whatabouttery charges if you’re not careful. :uhoh:


I was actually enjoying the salt on these chips.


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