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CrazyIslander wrote:The All Black coaches should be selected Hunger Games style.

Looks like Foster has been following Shags example making sure hunger is not an issue they face

We should have Tim Roth, from 'Lie to Me,' on the panel, so we can find out who is telling the truth and who is bullshitting. Job sorted!

Shag looks horribly unfit, a heart attack waiting to happen?

Word from the horses mouth. Gatball will not be the next coach of the ABs

Kahu wrote:Word from the horses mouth. Gatball will not be the next coach of the ABs

Yes, says he was offered the AB role but wanted to focus on the B&I Lions as already contracted to do that tour to SA. Fair play to him.

terryfinch wrote:

Kahu wrote:Word from the horses mouth. Gatball will not be the next coach of the ABs

Yes, says he was offered the AB role but wanted to focus on the B&I Lions as already contracted to do that tour to SA. Fair play to him.

He has2 contracts in place already.

I doubt he would have been ‘offered’ the job. Perhaps invited to interview with indication he is a front runner

I don’t want Gatland’s sour face anywhere near the ABs. I would rather have Foster.

trapper wrote:I don’t want Gatland’s sour face anywhere near the ABs. I would rather have Foster.

Gatland is much better than Foster. Anyway, he’s giving himself time to reacquaint with nz rugby so maybe he will convert some naysayers.

Could someone answer a question please, if Razor gets top job does he stay with Crusaders or not?

rugga. wrote:Could someone answer a question please, if Razor gets top job does he stay with Crusaders or not?

Surely not!

If Gats was coach I doubt the ABs lose to England, Ireland or the Lions. Time John Mitchell was given his chance of redemption.

Wilderbeast wrote:

rugga. wrote:Could someone answer a question please, if Razor gets top job does he stay with Crusaders or not?

Surely not!

I dont know, that's why I'm asking. I assume he doesnt, but doesnt that leave the Crusaders in a tough spot, he would have systems and plans etc all ready in process, what happens? Anyone?

Disband them, no other choice.

Can we have Barrett? And mounga? And Jordan? And and and...

Robertson ruled out spending any part of next season with the Crusaders if he got the top job with the All Blacks.

Thanks rugga.

No worries.

mr bungle wrote:

Ghost-Of-Nepia wrote:Tony Brown looked like a man with barely a care in the world yesterday when I spotted him partaking in some brews at the Dunedin beer festival.

I shared a urinal with him at the end of the day. Friendly bloke and highlight of the day.

I could have been standing next to Jesus Christ by the end of the day for all I knew. I was fucking wrecked after a 7.1% beer followed by a glass/cup of red wine. I felt like I was rolling along nicely when I saw you (but on the downward slide slightly).

Looking at the contenders, I sometimes wonder if it’s hard to go wrong with any of them. Foster is my least favourite but even he has his qualities (he has been part of an extremely successful period for us).

Wilderbeast wrote:Looking at the contenders, I sometimes wonder if it’s hard to go wrong with any of them. Foster is my least favourite but even he has his qualities (he has been part of an extremely successful period for us).

Can you expand on this? What are Ian Foster's strengths and qualities as a Head Coach that you find so appealing? As an Assistant Coach, he was a key part of our recent RWC 2019 failure. And let's be perfectly honest, it was a failure by NZ standards. So what is it about him as a Head Coach that you are drawn to?

David Moffet (ex NZRFU boss) saying Shag and the Zoo stayed on 2 years too long, and is calling for a complete clean out and fresh blood in the AB hotseat.

I agree.

Ali's Choice wrote:

Wilderbeast wrote:Looking at the contenders, I sometimes wonder if it’s hard to go wrong with any of them. Foster is my least favourite but even he has his qualities (he has been part of an extremely successful period for us).

Can you expand on this? What are Ian Foster's strengths and qualities as a Head Coach that you find so appealing? As an Assistant Coach, he was a key part of our recent RWC 2019 failure. And let's be perfectly honest, it was a failure by NZ standards. So what is it about him as a Head Coach that you are drawn to?

No sure for wilderbeast but:
- knowledge and involvement in the most winniest period of AB history and the most successful rugby team this decade
- knowledge and experience with 75% of the go forward team / wider squad
- direct involvement in some poor decisions that he can learn from (unlike so other coaches that have yet to make those mistakes) - this is my favourite one (and worked for Henry).

I wouldn’t pick him - be my least favourite choice (mainly from time at chiefs to be honest) - but I’ll support him if he is.

In terms of terms looking back if you lose maybe it’s right to keep on, but if you win have you lost that loving feeling?

obelixtim wrote:David Moffet (ex NZRFU boss) saying Shag and the Zoo stayed on 2 years too long, and is calling for a complete clean out and fresh blood in the AB hotseat.

I agree.

So do we wait until a coach is at his peak and then sack him?
Who would you have replaced him with two years ago?
A new coach may well have been worse.

Ali's Choice wrote:

Wilderbeast wrote:Looking at the contenders, I sometimes wonder if it’s hard to go wrong with any of them. Foster is my least favourite but even he has his qualities (he has been part of an extremely successful period for us).

Can you expand on this? What are Ian Foster's strengths and qualities as a Head Coach that you find so appealing? As an Assistant Coach, he was a key part of our recent RWC 2019 failure. And let's be perfectly honest, it was a failure by NZ standards. So what is it about him as a Head Coach that you are drawn to?

It’s in the post. He contributed to an extremely successful period of all black rugby. You will also note I said he’s my least favourite option.

Jamie Joseph gooooooooone . . . back to Japan, according to Rich Freeman on Twitter.

JRFU announce that Jamie Joseph has re-signed as head coach of #BraveBlossoms from Jan. 1, 2020 to Dec. 31, 2023.

https://twitter.com/FreemanrugbyJPN/sta ... 6221608960

Does that mean Brown as well. I’d like him in the mix for the ABs still.

kiwigreg369 wrote:Does that mean Brown as well. I’d like him in the mix for the ABs still.

Well, Brown said wherever Joseph goes, he goes. I just hope we get to keep Brown for the Highlanders season.

Yeah Tony Brown is gone to Japan as well. He was quite clear that he wanted to stay with Joseph.

So now it is really a two-horse race: Robertson (and O'Gara) vs Foster (and McLeod)

BillW wrote:

obelixtim wrote:David Moffet (ex NZRFU boss) saying Shag and the Zoo stayed on 2 years too long, and is calling for a complete clean out and fresh blood in the AB hotseat.

I agree.

So do we wait until a coach is at his peak and then sack him?
Who would you have replaced him with two years ago?
A new coach may well have been worse.

Moffett's a wanker so easy to ignore him.

Robertson’s got it then. Foster is on a hiding to nothing in the press and Robertson is being reported as the second coming. He has all the momentum.

Auckman wrote:

BillW wrote:

obelixtim wrote:David Moffet (ex NZRFU boss) saying Shag and the Zoo stayed on 2 years too long, and is calling for a complete clean out and fresh blood in the AB hotseat.

I agree.

So do we wait until a coach is at his peak and then sack him?
Who would you have replaced him with two years ago?
A new coach may well have been worse.

Moffett's a wanker so easy to ignore him.

Yes, Moffett is a confirmed twat whose opinions should not be taken into account.

Firing Shag in 2017 would have been ridiculous - right after Wayne Smith left also. Dumb.

Wilderbeast wrote:Robertson’s got it then. Foster is on a hiding to nothing in the press and Robertson is being reported as the second coming. He has all the momentum.

Except for the fact that Ian Foster is the ultimate company man, and no-one does cronyism like NZR. If Ian Foster doesn't get the job I'll be absolutely shocked. I'll be gobsmacked.

Monkey Magic wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:The All Black coaches should be selected Hunger Games style.

Looks like Foster has been following Shags example making sure hunger is not an issue they face

He has put on the kilos. It's a stressful job.

Ali's Choice wrote:

Wilderbeast wrote:I still don’t think it gives him an advantage, not when the hottest of hot properties has been locked up by Jamie Joseph.

Except Jamie Joseph's record as a head coach is only average as well. One SR title in a RWC year when all the other Kiwi teams were forced to rest players, and then a QF loss with a brave but under-manned Japan. Of course no-one will ever forget Joseph's decision to start 6'3" prop Jacob Ellison at lock against Canterbury in the 2008 Air NZ Cup Final, which lovingly handed the red'n'blacks that year's title. That was the worst selection I've ever seen a coach make.

Surely Joseph's record already looks great then compared with Henry and Hansen's prior head coach records? Also I suspect a mistake 11 years ago isn't the measure of where the coach is today.

Enzedder wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:Tony Brown is the Charlie Ngatai of coaches. His reputation is just growing and growing, and it doesn't really align to his achievements.

Translation - Tony Brown isn't from the Crusaders / Canterbury coaching circle.

I seem to recall Ali's Choice complaining of an anti-Canterbury conspiracy back when coaches were selected in 2007 and about the players in 2008 or around that time.

Now a 2 horse race, Joseph signs with Japan till 2023. Rennie seems to be going to the Wobs.

Razor vs Fozzie?

I propose a dance off to decide this one

So if Ian Foster is successful, as we all suspect he will be, then we will know for certain that both Australia and Japan will have a better head coach than we will. Not to mention all the other international head coaches who are more capable, skilled and credentialed that Ian Foster.

Ali's Choice wrote:So if Ian Foster is successful, as we all suspect he will be, then we will know for certain that both Australia and Japan will have a better head coach than we will. Not to mention all the other international head coaches who are more capable, skilled and credentialed that Ian Foster.

There will be at least two SR teams with better, more qualified coaches than the one running the ABs.

I’d riot

naki wrote:So now "celebrity" chef sheilas should be selecting the next coach.

Who are these mongtarded journalists? TP McLean would be spinning in his grave.

New Zealand Rugby's All Blacks coaching selection panel needs fresh ingredients
KEVIN NORQUAY
14:10, Nov 11 2019

That's a good article and an argument well made. Sadly heavily quoting Syed whose utterly biased on anything GB cycling has done, in defiance as well of all their negative news isn't always the best thing. Teh reason why diversity of thinking is good is thatit fills in all angles.

For all the stuff on Southgate's research, do you really need an panel of experts to say being fitter and on a better diet will help at the end of long games? Or is one penalty shootout when England had the easiest pathway to a semi-final of any team ever really good sample of success? England still lost to the first team they met ranked above them. I'm sorry, lost 3 games to teams ranked above them. It was more luck of the draw Southgate has any success with.

Also, Southgate who I do think is doing good work is hardly a top manager. He's an alright one, when the kiwi brain trust gets together they can radically claim they have the best coaching brains in the world working on it, England football certainly doesn't, hence why they need far less outside influence. The article also doesn't mention all the Uk sports who have had similar and it resulted in a collapse in results as outsiders complete fail to understand the sports unique needs. A similar thing happened with the RFU, they took on board lots of people who worked on London 2012, and by insider accounts their accounts are screwed as these people didn't understand that in a World Cup year there is no Autumn International income and spent as if there is, the RFU has something like a 15 million pound deficit it is making cuts due to these 'external experts' who jumped ship when they saw they messed it up after the RWC 2015.

An all kiwi panel of selectors can be good, because the kiwis have taken it upon themselves to constantly research and keep ahead of the latest developments. As long as the panel has that high level of deep and broad sporting knowledge to draw it doesn't need people designated artificially from other roles to add anything.

naki wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:So if Ian Foster is successful, as we all suspect he will be, then we will know for certain that both Australia and Japan will have a better head coach than we will. Not to mention all the other international head coaches who are more capable, skilled and credentialed that Ian Foster.

There will be at least two SR teams with better, more qualified coaches than the one running the ABs.

I’d riot

And Foster, by virtue of being the AB coach, would be able to undermine Robertson and Gatland at every turn, in the name of the 'greater good'. He could force them to rest start players, or play players out of position, to his heart's content knowing that they would be forced to comply with his every demand. He could destroy them if he wanted to, that's how NZR is run.

eldanielfire wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:

Wilderbeast wrote:I still don’t think it gives him an advantage, not when the hottest of hot properties has been locked up by Jamie Joseph.

Except Jamie Joseph's record as a head coach is only average as well. One SR title in a RWC year when all the other Kiwi teams were forced to rest players, and then a QF loss with a brave but under-manned Japan. Of course no-one will ever forget Joseph's decision to start 6'3" prop Jacob Ellison at lock against Canterbury in the 2008 Air NZ Cup Final, which lovingly handed the red'n'blacks that year's title. That was the worst selection I've ever seen a coach make.

Surely Joseph's record already looks great then compared with Henry and Hansen's prior head coach records? Also I suspect a mistake 11 years ago isn't the measure of where the coach is today.

You realise Graham Henry was coach of Auckland in the early to late nineties when they dominated NZ provincial rugby. When Super Rugby began in 1996 Henry's Blues went 1st, 1st, 2nd in the three years he was head coach 1996-1998. His record as a head coach was far superior to Joseph's.

booji boy wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

Ali's Choice wrote:

Wilderbeast wrote:I still don’t think it gives him an advantage, not when the hottest of hot properties has been locked up by Jamie Joseph.

Except Jamie Joseph's record as a head coach is only average as well. One SR title in a RWC year when all the other Kiwi teams were forced to rest players, and then a QF loss with a brave but under-manned Japan. Of course no-one will ever forget Joseph's decision to start 6'3" prop Jacob Ellison at lock against Canterbury in the 2008 Air NZ Cup Final, which lovingly handed the red'n'blacks that year's title. That was the worst selection I've ever seen a coach make.

Surely Joseph's record already looks great then compared with Henry and Hansen's prior head coach records? Also I suspect a mistake 11 years ago isn't the measure of where the coach is today.

You realise Graham Henry was coach of Auckland in the early to late nineties when they dominated NZ provincial rugby. When Super Rugby began in 1996 Henry's Blues went 1st, 1st, 2nd in the three years he was head coach 1996-1998. His record as a head coach was far superior to Joseph's.

My Auntie could have coached that team to those titles. Those were the days of the Auck Blacks!