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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:17 pm 
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Canada have been awful, but they should be fine.

Tyler Ardron has played some fantastic rugby in New Zealand this year, he'll be a big boost for Canada.


He's played in some of the stinkers, though. Not sure DTH has, but they seem to like to play him on the wing, meaning the ball will have to go through a few pairs of sub-standard hands before he can do anything with it.


Which is the main reason why I would play him at 13. Get him more ball.


Indeed. At this level he can really run riot if given the chance.


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It should be all Canada. Only team that can challenge them is Germany if they can pull off one of those shock games like they did against Romania. I simply don't see a way for HK or Kenya.


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It should be all Canada. Only team that can challenge them is Germany if they can pull off one of those shock games like they did against Romania. I simply don't see a way for HK or Kenya.


Now I am totally confused.


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It should be all Canada. Only team that can challenge them is Germany if they can pull off one of those shock games like they did against Romania. I simply don't see a way for HK or Kenya.


Now I am totally confused.

Why?


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It should be all Canada. Only team that can challenge them is Germany if they can pull off one of those shock games like they did against Romania. I simply don't see a way for HK or Kenya.


Now I am totally confused.

Why?

he's welsh ;)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:04 am 
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In order for me it would be
Kenya
Germany
Canada
Hong Kong - aren't they just stacked with non HKers?


Yes, in short.

A chap I used to live with, his mate plays for Hong Kong. His stellar career featured UCT and a few Currie Cup appearances form what I recall before getting a job in HK after a deal with the union.

The squad looks incredibly unrepresentative of Hong Kong: https://www.hkrugby.com/national/national-team/mens-national-15s :lol:


Looks like a HK side from 1975. :lol:

Pretty much, still a journeyman's paradise. A mate I played juniors with in Australia moved there after uni and got into the 7s and XVs team and played a good few years, good on him but thought that more non expats would have risen to national level by now, first Chinese player made the national team in the 90s.
Hard to see any side getting near Canada



HK is probably best to answer here, but here is a nice curly question for the bored.

Is there a "Hong Kong" identity that the born/bred players in the team subscribe to? Or do those players still see themselves as British/Aust/Saffa? (wherever their heritage lies)

Or do they see themselves as Chinese nationals? :D


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:32 am 
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Auckman wrote:
grievous wrote:
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In order for me it would be
Kenya
Germany
Canada
Hong Kong - aren't they just stacked with non HKers?


Yes, in short.

A chap I used to live with, his mate plays for Hong Kong. His stellar career featured UCT and a few Currie Cup appearances form what I recall before getting a job in HK after a deal with the union.

The squad looks incredibly unrepresentative of Hong Kong: https://www.hkrugby.com/national/national-team/mens-national-15s :lol:


Looks like a HK side from 1975. :lol:

Pretty much, still a journeyman's paradise. A mate I played juniors with in Australia moved there after uni and got into the 7s and XVs team and played a good few years, good on him but thought that more non expats would have risen to national level by now, first Chinese player made the national team in the 90s.
Hard to see any side getting near Canada



HK is probably best to answer here, but here is a nice curly question for the bored.

Is there a "Hong Kong" identity that the born/bred players in the team subscribe to? Or do those players still see themselves as British/Aust/Saffa? (wherever their heritage lies)

Or do they see themselves as Chinese nationals? :D

Seen as 90% of the local population which is chinese don't know or care probably still feel like expats


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:59 am 
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Auckman wrote:
grievous wrote:
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Caley_Red wrote:
LandOTurk wrote:
In order for me it would be
Kenya
Germany
Canada
Hong Kong - aren't they just stacked with non HKers?


Yes, in short.

A chap I used to live with, his mate plays for Hong Kong. His stellar career featured UCT and a few Currie Cup appearances form what I recall before getting a job in HK after a deal with the union.

The squad looks incredibly unrepresentative of Hong Kong: https://www.hkrugby.com/national/national-team/mens-national-15s :lol:


Looks like a HK side from 1975. :lol:

Pretty much, still a journeyman's paradise. A mate I played juniors with in Australia moved there after uni and got into the 7s and XVs team and played a good few years, good on him but thought that more non expats would have risen to national level by now, first Chinese player made the national team in the 90s.
Hard to see any side getting near Canada



HK is probably best to answer here, but here is a nice curly question for the bored.

Is there a "Hong Kong" identity that the born/bred players in the team subscribe to? Or do those players still see themselves as British/Aust/Saffa? (wherever their heritage lies)

Or do they see themselves as Chinese nationals? :D


Hong Kong Chinese don't see themselves as Chinese nationals, so I doubt non-chinese Hong Kongers would either.


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SS gives a sensible answer. Very few HKers regard themselves as Chinese first - they are HK Chinese. As I have said elsewhere, there is a quite a racist attitude towards Mainlanders by HK Chinese.

As for the "ex-pats" in the team, I have mentioned on this thread that some have given up their overseas passport to play for HK (Asian games and Olympics); some were born here or have lived here long enough to qualify under WR residency. Do they consider themselves as HKers? I would say, yes, they do - I do (I have lived here for over 29 years). Do I consider myself Chinese or even HK Chinese? Nope but we also have a 3rd "ethnic" group - NEC: Non-Ethnic Chinese, which I and many others would probably regard ourselves as.


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Hong Kong wrote:
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It should be all Canada. Only team that can challenge them is Germany if they can pull off one of those shock games like they did against Romania. I simply don't see a way for HK or Kenya.


Now I am totally confused.

Why?

he's welsh ;)


Haha. There seemed to be a consensus that Canada was best and then HK, Kenya then Germany. But you seem to think that Germany is next best. That's all. I have no idea of the order but would expect Canada to be #1 and then whoever.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:26 pm 
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Hong Kong wrote:
SS gives a sensible answer. Very few HKers regard themselves as Chinese first - they are HK Chinese. As I have said elsewhere, there is a quite a racist attitude towards Mainlanders by HK Chinese.

As for the "ex-pats" in the team, I have mentioned on this thread that some have given up their overseas passport to play for HK (Asian games and Olympics); some were born here or have lived here long enough to qualify under WR residency. Do they consider themselves as HKers? I would say, yes, they do - I do (I have lived here for over 29 years). Do I consider myself Chinese or even HK Chinese? Nope but we also have a 3rd "ethnic" group - NEC: Non-Ethnic Chinese, which I and many others would probably regard ourselves as.


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Hong Kong Chinese don't see themselves as Chinese nationals, so I doubt non-chinese Hong Kongers would either.




:thumbup:

Very enlightening. Cheers.


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LandOTurk wrote:
In order for me it would be
Kenya
Germany
Canada
Hong Kong - aren't they just stacked with non HKers?


Yes, in short.

A chap I used to live with, his mate plays for Hong Kong. His stellar career featured UCT and a few Currie Cup appearances form what I recall before getting a job in HK after a deal with the union.

The squad looks incredibly unrepresentative of Hong Kong: https://www.hkrugby.com/national/national-team/mens-national-15s :lol:[/quote]

Looks like a HK side from 1975. :lol:[/quote]
Pretty much, still a journeyman's paradise. A mate I played juniors with in Australia moved there after uni and got into the 7s and XVs team and played a good few years, good on him but thought that more non expats would have risen to national level by now, first Chinese player made the national team in the 90s.
Hard to see any side getting near Canada[/quote]


HK is probably best to answer here, but here is a nice curly question for the bored.

Is there a "Hong Kong" identity that the born/bred players in the team subscribe to? Or do those players still see themselves as British/Aust/Saffa? (wherever their heritage lies)

Or do they see themselves as Chinese nationals? :D[/quote]

Hong Kong Chinese don't see themselves as Chinese nationals, so I doubt non-chinese Hong Kongers would either.[/quote]
They had better when the Motherland brings in Thought crimes.

Semi joking aside and having been to both Macau and HK last year when Xi was in town its fascinating how he will manage to keep the level of control as he seems to be doing on the mainland yet keep those places economic prosperity at the same levels.

If he was only a rugby fan.....we need a dictator rugby/ fit like Ceaucescu again.


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Canada playing Coventry today in their last warm up. Pretty much a first choice pack but a second string backline. Also, Paris has picked up an injury and might not be ready to go against Kenya. Only a week away before the fun begins.


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Canada playing Coventry today in their last warm up. Pretty much a first choice pack but a second string backline. Also, Paris has picked up an injury and might not be ready to go against Kenya. Only a week away before the fun begins.


Remind me of the format again (and no, not two halves of 40 minutes).


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all 4 teams play each other once. Team with the best record advances to WC. Think of the format as the Pool stage at a WC, same idea. Bonus points will probably decide who advances.


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all 4 teams play each other once. Team with the best record advances to WC. Think of the format as the Pool stage at a WC, same idea. Bonus points will probably decide who advances.

Is the correct answer


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all 4 teams play each other once. Team with the best record advances to WC. Think of the format as the Pool stage at a WC, same idea. Bonus points will probably decide who advances.

Is the correct answer


:thumbup:


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Olmstead and Ardron are both very handy players for Canada.


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Olmstead and Ardron are both very handy players for Canada.



Thanks. Wish there were more like them playing on the team


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Morgan14 wrote:
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Olmstead and Ardron are both very handy players for Canada.



Thanks. Wish there were more like them playing on the team


Never heard of them, what position do these guys play?


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CanNZ2000 wrote:
Canada playing Coventry today in their last warm up. Pretty much a first choice pack but a second string backline. Also, Paris has picked up an injury and might not be ready to go against Kenya. Only a week away before the fun begins.


:(

Guy can't catch a break.


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TSN will show the Canada matches.

https://www.tsn.ca/international-rugby- ... p-1.433673


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Paris is out injured. fudge!
Parfrey is out injured. Thank god!
DTH has a minor knock from turf burn. Dear god.

Ciulini and Campbell out in forwards, oh well that's okay they aren't starters.

Would Hassler accept an emergency call up?


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CanNZ2000 wrote:
Paris is out injured. fudge!
Parfrey is out injured. Thank god!
DTH has a minor knock from turf burn. Dear god.

Ciulini and Campbell out in forwards, oh well that's okay they aren't starters.

Would Hassler accept an emergency call up?


:uhoh:

Hassler not in the mix presently? Injured again?


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fonzeee wrote:
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Paris is out injured. fudge!
Parfrey is out injured. Thank god!
DTH has a minor knock from turf burn. Dear god.

Ciulini and Campbell out in forwards, oh well that's okay they aren't starters.

Would Hassler accept an emergency call up?


:uhoh:

Hassler not in the mix presently? Injured again?


He has retired. It may be permanent.


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CanNZ2000 wrote:
Paris is out injured. fudge!
Parfrey is out injured. Thank god!
DTH has a minor knock from turf burn. Dear god.

Ciulini and Campbell out in forwards, oh well that's okay they aren't starters.

Would Hassler accept an emergency call up?


Hassler is doing the party thang in Bermuda. Forget about him. fudge the 7s guys: I would not have that clique anywhere near the NSMT.

Jones did not bother picking Paris for the summer internationals, so why would he have started him now.

Our pack should be okay for this tournament. The backline is a mess. Jones and his staff have to get the backline set, quickly.


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canuckles wrote:
fonzeee wrote:
CanNZ2000 wrote:
Paris is out injured. fudge!
Parfrey is out injured. Thank god!
DTH has a minor knock from turf burn. Dear god.

Ciulini and Campbell out in forwards, oh well that's okay they aren't starters.

Would Hassler accept an emergency call up?


:uhoh:

Hassler not in the mix presently? Injured again?


He has retired. It may be permanent.


Fvck, really? Missed that.

:(

Edit: assumed it was all the injuries/concussions, glad to see he just wanted to sail. Although of course there could be more to it


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fonzeee wrote:
canuckles wrote:
fonzeee wrote:
CanNZ2000 wrote:
Paris is out injured. fudge!
Parfrey is out injured. Thank god!
DTH has a minor knock from turf burn. Dear god.

Ciulini and Campbell out in forwards, oh well that's okay they aren't starters.

Would Hassler accept an emergency call up?


:uhoh:

Hassler not in the mix presently? Injured again?


He has retired. It may be permanent.


Fvck, really? Missed that.

:(

Edit: assumed it was all the injuries/concussions, glad to see he just wanted to sail. Although of course there could be more to it



He just played for the Canadian legends... him and a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds.


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That’s kinda cheating, innit? :)


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ROUND 1 – Sunday, November 11
Canada vs Kenya
Germany vs Hong Kong

ROUND 2 – Saturday, November 17
Canada vs Germany
Kenya vs Hong Kong

ROUND 3 – Friday, November 23
Canada vs Hong Kong
Germany vs Kenya


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kenya just lost handily to a romania B side last week, was that a full strength team or saving themselves for this one ?


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kenya just lost handily to a romania B side last week, was that a full strength team or saving themselves for this one ?


It was a fairly full-strength Kenyan team. They had three warm up games cancelled in the weeks before this, so they must have been quite rusty. Doesn't bode well for the next three games :(


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Article below from Sportsnet:


https://www.sportsnet.ca/more/rugby-can ... qualifier/

Rugby Canada faces ‘critical’ test at last-chance World Cup qualifier

Over the next three weekends, at a 5,000-seat facility in the south of France, the future of Canadian rugby will be sent in one of two very different directions. Three games, three unfamiliar opponents, one final berth in the 2019 Rugby World Cup on the line.

“This is,” says Canada’s head coach, Kingsley Jones, “a critical period.”

The Stakes

Here’s the deal. Canada’s national men’s team has thus far failed twice to qualify for next year’s World Cup in Japan, and now must win a last-chance repechage tournament in Marseille, France in order to claim the 20th and final spot in World Rugby’s ultimate competition. Hong Kong, Kenya, and Germany will compete with Canada in the tournament, with each team playing each other once. Whichever team finishes the round-robin in first place earns the World Cup berth.

There’s no underselling how important this tournament is for Canada, which has never missed a World Cup and never had much trouble qualifying. Only five years ago, Canada was consistently a top-15 team in World Rugby’s global rankings. But they have struggled mightily since the last World Cup in 2015, and now sit No. 23, trailing much smaller nations with far less historical success in the sport, such as Uruguay, Hong Kong, and Namibia.



But missing out on the tournament wouldn’t only be a further hit to the national program’s prestige — it would be extremely detrimental to its pocketbooks as well. In 2015, World Rugby contributed $3.7 million to Rugby Canada’s operations as it prepared for the World Cup. The following year, that number dropped to $2.1 million.

Rugby Canada estimates another $1 million — at least — will be lost if Canada loses the repechage tournament and fails to qualify.

The loss of funding could have a cascading effect on Rugby Canada’s other operations, including age-grade sides, the men’s and women’s 7s teams, and the women’s 15s program, which currently sits No. 4 in World Rugby’s rankings.

Unusual financial measures have already been taken. Earlier this year, Rugby Canada upped registration fees for club players across the country by $20, citing the need to raise $450,000 to aid in the efforts to qualify for the World Cup. That followed “extensive budget reductions,” which Rugby Canada estimated to have reduced costs “in every program and activity to the tune of more than $1.5 million,” including “over $400,000 in salary savings.”

Then, in August, Rugby Canada reorganized its men’s playing pool, combining the 15s and 7s teams — which had been training separately — under one umbrella, shedding staff and reducing compensation for 7s players in the process.

The 7s athletes were incensed and boycotted training sessions while threatening to unionize. They’ve only recently reached an agreement with Rugby Canada to resume training, but that’s believed to have been done through gritted teeth, with the first tournament of this year’s 7s Series looming at the end of the month.

That’s why these three repechage games are so important. The impact of success or failure at this tournament extends well beyond merely qualifying for the World Cup.

“Indeed it does,” says Rugby Canada CEO Allen Vansen. “As we’ve said time and time again, it’s a critical part of Rugby Canada’s future. And, obviously, a huge part of our history. We’ve been at every single World Cup to date. I know Kingsley and every one of the men that he’s got on his [roster] don’t want to be the team that doesn’t get there.”


Scrum half Phil Mack will captain Canada at the repechage tournament. (Photo courtesy Rugby Canada)

The Team

The good news is Canada will be close to full strength for these games, calling on its stable of overseas professionals to bolster a core group of domestic-based players. Scrum half Andrew Ferguson recently tore a biceps and is unavailable, as are all of the 7s athletes, who were still holding out over their contract dispute when Canada departed for the tournament. Otherwise, it’s all hands on deck.

Veteran scrum half Phil Mack will captain the team. He starred on the 7s circuit for years, but is dedicated solely to the 15s game today. An elusive ball-carrier and instinctual field general, Mack brings plenty of experience, mettle, and creativity to the role.

Loose forward Tyler Ardron and winger DTH van der Merwe will be counted on to play significant in-game leadership roles as well. Ardron is one of Canada’s most accomplished professionals, making eight appearances this season for the Chiefs in Super Rugby, the Southern Hemisphere’s top competition. And van der Merwe has been a pillar of Canadian rugby for more than a decade, representing his country at three World Cups and holding the Canadian record for international tries scored with 32.

Overseas professionals Brett Beukeboom, Jake Ilnicki, Josh Larsen, and Evan Olmstead will help anchor the forward pack, while Matt Evans, Ciaran Hearn, Shane O’Leary, Taylor Paris, and Conor Trainor will bring high-level experience in the backs.


Rugby Canada men’s national team Head Coach Kingsley Jones. (Darryl Dyck/CP)

The Coach

Tasked with preparing Canada for this tournament is Jones, a 49-year-old Welshman who’s led the Canadian men for only a year.

Jones made 10 back-row appearances for Wales in the late ’90s, before turning his attention to a coaching career that has taken him to England, South Africa, and even Russia, where he helmed the national program for four years. Last September, he took over the Canadian side after his predecessor, New Zealander Mark Anscombe, was fired following a string of poor results that culminated in Canada failing to qualify for the World Cup in a home-and-home series with the United States.

Jones arrived in Canada in October and had only a few months to prepare a team to play another home-and-home World Cup qualifier, this time with Uruguay. Canada dropped that one, too, a dispiriting result that cost the program nearly a half-million dollars in World Rugby funding. Now, a year later, Jones gets a second chance.

“It’s been a whirlwind 12 months,” Jones says. “I’ve learned a lot. Learned a lot of the players. I think we’re heading in the right direction.”

“This competition is about experience — it’s cup rugby. We need to be able to stand up under pressure. Because there will be pressure.”

The Opposition

Canada will open the tournament against No. 28-ranked Kenya, before taking on No. 29 Germany in the second leg. Canada has never played a test match against either country due to geography and generally being a much higher-ranked side. But both teams will present challenges.

Kenya will bring plenty of pace and elusiveness, featuring several members of its national 7s team, including Collins Injera, who sits second in all-time tries scored on the World Rugby 7s Series. Germany is expected to boast a physical pack, led by Sebastian Ferreira and Ayron Schramm, a pair of loose forwards with German ancestry who were born and raised in South Africa.

Still, Canada should beat each of those teams. No. 23 Hong Kong, meanwhile, is expected to provide a stiffer test. Much of the team is made up of professionals playing in Elite Rugby Programme, an initiative founded three years ago by the Hong Kong Rugby Union to provide top domestic players with a professional training environment.

That means the majority of Hong Kong’s team trains together year round at state-of-the-art facilities. Leigh Jones, who played a key role in Japan’s shocking defeat of South Africa at the 2015 World Cup, heads a robust team of high performance coaches overseeing Hong Kong’s extensive preparations.

“They’ve got a very professional set-up. They start early in the morning, they train as a group, they train as a team,” Jones, the Canadian coach, says. “It’s an example of what being a team, working together every day, gives you.”


Back row Tyler Ardron plays for Chiefs in Super Rugby, the Southern Hemisphere’s top competition. (Photo courtesy Rugby Canada)

The Challenge

You get the sense Jones is a little envious of Hong Kong’s set-up. Canada’s best players have traditionally played with clubs based overseas. Meanwhile, the rest of the players who make up the national team are contracted by Rugby Canada and train in Langford, B.C.

Major League Rugby, a nascent professional competition that will soon debut its first Canadian franchise, has recently provided domestic players with a new avenue for exposure to high-level rugby — but it’s no comparison to a test match or the competitions overseas.

Sending top players to play in Europe or New Zealand has been good for experience and exposure to a professional environment, but not for cohesion and structure at the national team level. Any Canadian side for an important test match will naturally feature many of the overseas professionals. But those players rarely play together, and are forced to build familiarity and learn systems in very condensed timeframes. In turn, the domestic-based players struggle to replicate the intense atmosphere of test match rugby while training at home.

Jones felt those factors were partially to blame for Canada’s disappointing loss to Uruguay during its last qualification opportunity. A point of emphasis for him since has been improving the way Canada prepares, which has translated to a renewed focus on strength and conditioning for tight five forwards, a weekly scrimmage featuring top amateur players in B.C., and a general heightening of intensity throughout training sessions.

“We’re asking our players to compete against teams that are full tilt. And we’re not,” Jones said. “You need to simulate game scenarios — executing skills under pressure. A skill isn’t a skill unless it’s under pressure against opposition.

“We need to get everybody on the same page. That’s the big challenge for us. I think we’ve got a lot of quality. But as we learned against the Uruguay team, that doesn’t mean anything. We have to be as one,” he continued. “The advantage these teams have had over us, if any, is the fact that they train together and they play together regularly, and they know their systems.”

A particular grievance for Jones is the players who are sent to train overseas but rarely touch the pitch. Competition for selections on top pro teams is fierce, and Canadian professionals can sometimes find themselves nailed to the bench.

For instance: Paris, a 26-year-old winger from Barrie, Ont., signed a contract with the Glasgow Warriors in 2012 but left the team a year later after making only two appearances. Prior to the 2017-18 season, he was signed by Castres Olympique of Top-14, France’s premier competition. But he’s appeared for Castres only eight times in the 33 regular season matches its played since.

“It’s good to suggest our players go overseas and play — but the key word is ‘play,’” Jones says. “How can you pick a guy in a test match if he hasn’t played any rugby?”

Jones is at least encouraged by the fact that several of Canada’s overseas professionals have been playing more regularly over the last two months. That includes Olmstead, who last month won the Mitre 10 Cup with Auckland, Nottingham’s O’Leary, who could start at fly half in the repechage tournament, and the Yorkshire Carnegie prop Ilnicki, who recently moved from the end of an English first tier roster to the top of a second tier one and enjoyed more regular playing time.

“This competition is about experience — it’s cup rugby,” Jones said. “We need to be able to stand up under pressure. Because there will be pressure.”


Nottingham’s Shane O’Leary, a talented goal kicker who leads England’s RFU Championship in points, will be an option for Canada at fly half. (Photo courtesy Rugby Canada)

The Reality

For the Canadians to qualify, they will likely need to go undefeated. Hong Kong and Canada — nominally the two best teams coming in — will play in the final game of the tournament, and there’s a good chance they’ll each come into it unbeaten, setting up a do-or-die 80 minutes for the World Cup’s final spot.

Winning three consecutive test matches is no easy feat. Canada hasn’t done it since the 2013 Pacific Nations Cup, when it defeated USA, Fiji, and Tonga in succession on home soil. Canada’s gone 14-45-1 in test rugby since, and has won only four of the 22 tests its played since the beginning of 2017.

Fittingly, that last three-game win streak came in the lead-up to the 2015 World Cup, which is when Canada’s slow slide down the world rankings began. With a berth in the subsequent World Cup on the line over the next three weekends in the south of France, Canadian rugby fans are hoping this is where the skid ends.

The Schedule

November 11: Canada vs. Kenya (7:00am ET / 4:00am PT)

November 17: Canada vs. Germany (10:00am ET / 7:00am PT)

November 23: Canada vs. Hong Kong (3:00pm ET / 12:00pm PT)


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Still no word on the XXIII? Not that I expect huge surprises, worried more about the nagging injuries


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Still no word on the XXIII? Not that I expect huge surprises, worried more about the nagging injuries


It is a bit strange. A golden rule of Rugby Canada is to release the game roster exactly 48 hours before the start of a Test.

Wing, which was once our biggest strength, is now lacking in numbers. Our best centre and best fullback may have to play on the wings.


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WTF? You log out and instead get a double post.


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These being telecast? WR site per chance?


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canuckles wrote:
Morgan14 wrote:
Still no word on the XXIII? Not that I expect huge surprises, worried more about the nagging injuries


It is a bit strange. A golden rule of Rugby Canada is to release the game roster exactly 48 hours before the start of a Test.

Wing, which was once our biggest strength, is now lacking in numbers. Our best centre and best fullback may have to play on the wings.


Hearing now that Paris may only be out for the first test match. Even without him and I can't see Kenya's forwards surviving for 80 minutes, we should be able to wear them down. Yes RC usually releasing the line up 48 hours before the match but have heard that for these matches they only have to release them 24 hours in advance.

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For the first time in history, Kenya will play Canada and in one of the most crucial matches of each team’s lives. The winner of this opener increases their chances of joining Pool B in the RWC next year. Head Coach Ian Snook named his charges to face the Canadian this afternoon.

Front row – Patrick Ouku, Colman Were, Joseph Odero Second row George Nyambua pairs up with Malcolm Onsondo. Andrew Omonde, Davis Chenge (c) and Joshua Chisanga take charge of the backrow. Resolution Impala Saracens duo of Samson Onsomu and Sammy Oliech will be the half backs on duty. Snook has fielded a back three line up of William Ambaka, Darwin Mukidza and Tony Onyango while Leo Seje Owade and Collins Injera are the starting centers.

The reserves for this match are: Philip Ikabilli, Moses Amusala, Hilary Mwanjilwa, Wilson Kopondo, Oliver Mangeni, Mohammed Omollo, William Reeve and Martin Owillah.


Davis Chenge is a pretty good backrow, while Collins Injera is well known in 7s as a dangerous finisher; but really you have to expect a comfortable win for Canada here. Kenya's style is rather unstructured and they annually struggle against Namibia (lost 28 - 53 this year) so while they are capable of sharp attacking play their defence is a bit naive.


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And Canada 20 - 5 ahead midway in the first half. But Kenya strike straight back with a try under the posts after a chip through. 20 - 12

Another Canada try and conversion for 27 - 12 at halftime.

A pity that few locals seem to have turned up to watch this unless they are packed in the stand behind the camera. Could be quite a high scoring game and worth watching if you aren't geo-blocked.


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