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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:10 am 
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Launch to ISS with two people experienced issues. Booster didn’t fire after separation, they’ll be down in 1.5 hours after entering a ballistic entry mode. Brown pants time, but theoretically survivable. Search and rescue already deployed.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:19 am 
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Upper stage failure so no orbital insertion burn?

I guess as long as the re-entry is within the parameters of the heat shield they should be ok - will just be lik e sub orbital flight the original Mercury astronauts undertook.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:30 am 
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From spaceflightnow.com

10/11/2018 10:24
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The Soyuz crew landed about 20 kilometers, or 12 miles, east of Dzhezkazgan, Kazakhstan, according to NASA.

10/11/2018 10:23
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NASA says Russian recovery teams are in contact with Alexey Ovchinin and Nick Hague following today's Soyuz booster failure. Their spacecraft has landed in Kazakhstan, east of the town of Dzhezkazgan. The Soyuz crew is in good condition, NASA says.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:31 am 
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Phew.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:39 am 
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Good to hear they're ok, it sounded like the set up to a Thunderbirds episode.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:40 am 
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On a related topic - do folk believe there's anything in the apocyphal tales of unsuccessful cosmonauts before Gagarin?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:44 am 
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Turbogoat wrote:
Good to hear they're ok, it sounded like the set up to a Thunderbirds episode.


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no orbital insertion burn


Sounded more like something Yeeb may have seen on the Interwebz....


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:46 am 
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Brown pants time is right. Holy shit, what a ride.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:47 am 
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Turbogoat wrote:
Good to hear they're ok, it sounded like the set up to a Thunderbirds episode.


The last time a Soyuz rocket failed in flight was 1975 apparently... The crew survived then as well, but experienced 21G on re-entry. So have to assume these guys just went through something similar. :shock: :!:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:12 am 
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Brazil wrote:
On a related topic - do folk believe there's anything in the apocyphal tales of unsuccessful cosmonauts before Gagarin?



Read an article that debunked the various 'lost cosmonaut' stories to an extent I think they are bullshit (basically they are based on unverified radio intercepts made by some amateur observers in Italy).

Whats worth remembering is that Vostok had already flown several unmanned missions including two dress rehearsals carrying dummies and various animals before Gagarin was strapped in as a human payload...it wasn't the huge risk its sometimes made out to be.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:15 am 
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tc27 wrote:
Brazil wrote:
On a related topic - do folk believe there's anything in the apocyphal tales of unsuccessful cosmonauts before Gagarin?



Read an article that debunked the various 'lost cosmonaut' stories to an extent I think they are bullshit (basically they are based on unverified radio intercepts made by some amateur observers in Italy).

Whats worth remembering is that Vostok had already flown several unmanned missions including two dress rehearsals carrying dummies and various animals before Gagarin was strapped in as a human payload...it wasn't the huge risk its sometimes made out to be.

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try telling that to Vladimir komarov - discretion advised before clicking on that link, its work safe but could be upsetting.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/astron ... pace-1967/


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:51 am 
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backrow wrote:
tc27 wrote:
Brazil wrote:
On a related topic - do folk believe there's anything in the apocyphal tales of unsuccessful cosmonauts before Gagarin?



Read an article that debunked the various 'lost cosmonaut' stories to an extent I think they are bullshit (basically they are based on unverified radio intercepts made by some amateur observers in Italy).

Whats worth remembering is that Vostok had already flown several unmanned missions including two dress rehearsals carrying dummies and various animals before Gagarin was strapped in as a human payload...it wasn't the huge risk its sometimes made out to be.

T



try telling that to Vladimir komarov - discretion advised before clicking on that link, its work safe but could be upsetting.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/astron ... pace-1967/



Yeah but that a different time in the Soviet space programme - once they realised the Americans were serious about going to the moon and were going to catch-up and overtake them in space mission milestones they began to take more and more risks - starting with the Voskhod missions and then rushing the first Soyuz.

They departed from the incremental testing and QA approach Korolov had insited on with the Vostok programme.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:04 pm 
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backrow wrote:
tc27 wrote:
Brazil wrote:
On a related topic - do folk believe there's anything in the apocyphal tales of unsuccessful cosmonauts before Gagarin?



Read an article that debunked the various 'lost cosmonaut' stories to an extent I think they are bullshit (basically they are based on unverified radio intercepts made by some amateur observers in Italy).

Whats worth remembering is that Vostok had already flown several unmanned missions including two dress rehearsals carrying dummies and various animals before Gagarin was strapped in as a human payload...it wasn't the huge risk its sometimes made out to be.

T



try telling that to Vladimir komarov - discretion advised before clicking on that link, its work safe but could be upsetting.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/astron ... pace-1967/


Thanks for sharing that, I hadn't read it before. Fascinating and terrifying in equal measure.


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its actually sad that a brave, highly intelligent man, went to his doom pretty much purely due to a willy waving exercise between USA and USSR, while plum politicians had their own thumb up their arse as per usual. Even more pointless than acts of sacrifice during wartime imho.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:21 pm 
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backrow wrote:
its actually sad that a brave, highly intelligent man, went to his doom pretty much purely due to a willy waving exercise between USA and USSR, while plum politicians had their own thumb up their arse as per usual. Even more pointless than acts of sacrifice during wartime imho.



Ever seen Formula One automobile racing ?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:25 pm 
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
backrow wrote:
its actually sad that a brave, highly intelligent man, went to his doom pretty much purely due to a willy waving exercise between USA and USSR, while plum politicians had their own thumb up their arse as per usual. Even more pointless than acts of sacrifice during wartime imho.



Ever seen Formula One automobile racing ?


completely different, there is more than a little personal gain, fame and satisfying the need for speed bug there in F1. No driver gets into his car pretty much knowing its a deathtrap.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:33 pm 
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backrow wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
backrow wrote:
its actually sad that a brave, highly intelligent man, went to his doom pretty much purely due to a willy waving exercise between USA and USSR, while plum politicians had their own thumb up their arse as per usual. Even more pointless than acts of sacrifice during wartime imho.



Ever seen Formula One automobile racing ?


completely different, there is more than a little personal gain, fame and satisfying the need for speed bug there in F1. No driver gets into his car pretty much knowing its a deathtrap.

Group B rallying.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:36 pm 
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backrow wrote:
its actually sad that a brave, highly intelligent man, went to his doom pretty much purely due to a willy waving exercise between USA and USSR, while plum politicians had their own thumb up their arse as per usual. Even more pointless than acts of sacrifice during wartime imho.

Nah, the Vietnam war is a better example of waste of life for geopolitical one-upmanship.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:34 pm 
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As someone just pointed out, sharp ballistic entry sounds like falling


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As someone just pointed out, sharp ballistic entry sounds like falling



Ballistics is the study of projectiles which after their intial launch only move due to gravity (and air resistance). So it is exactly like falling. Gulp.


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tc27 wrote:
Upper stage failure so no orbital insertion burn?


Should have kept the bag over her head


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I’d have fûcking shat it. Mind you, I’m the wrong stuff. Those people are amazing


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backrow wrote:
its actually sad that a brave, highly intelligent man, went to his doom pretty much purely due to a willy waving exercise between USA and USSR, while plum politicians had their own thumb up their arse as per usual. Even more pointless than acts of sacrifice during wartime imho.


Cheer up; sometimes the plums get exactly whats coming to them too !

Comrade Air Marshal Mitrofan Nedelin, Hero of the Soviet Union. x(


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