Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:07 am
Another vote is the only way. One where you rank your preference from 1 to 3. Out / in / propesed deal.
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Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:07 am
There’s been a shift in the Tory media towards backing May in the past few days - they know it’s this deal or “no brexit at all”
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:07 am
Theresa May will last longer than this thread.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:09 am
Wouldst thee and thine desire a sticky, I can help.
We can have a go at a constructive debate here (first time for everything, right?)
We can have a go at a constructive debate here (first time for everything, right?)
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:12 am
He’s telling vile lies.c69 wrote:So will May survive a vote of no confidence?
What exactly happens when the HOC rejects the Brexit plans?
Quick! The hammer!!
Re: The official Irish rugby thread
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:13 am
Knackers gonna knacker
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:16 am
Not sure that’s right, just have a look at the front page of the Terrorgraph website (you probably won’t be able to read most of the articles, which are now behind the ‘premium’ paywall, but you’ll get the idea!) - all about how no deal would be fine, how unacceptable the deal is, how the deal can be re-negotiated and some other stuff slagging off remainers.Duff Paddy wrote:There’s been a shift in the Tory media towards backing May in the past few days - they know it’s this deal or “no brexit at all”
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:17 am
What it is this Brexit you speak of?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:18 am
It's ony The Mail that has changed it's tone. And that's only since the c unt Dacre stepped down as editorJoost wrote:Not sure that’s right, just have a look at the front page of the Terrorgraph website (you probably won’t be able to read most of the articles, which are now behind the ‘premium’ paywall, but you’ll get the idea!) - all about how no deal would be fine, how unacceptable the deal is, how the deal can be re-negotiated and some other stuff slagging off remainers.Duff Paddy wrote:There’s been a shift in the Tory media towards backing May in the past few days - they know it’s this deal or “no brexit at all”
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:19 am
Done.c69 wrote:Good idea Top modding.blackblackblack wrote:Wouldst thee and thine desire a sticky, I can help.
We can have a go at a constructive debate here (first time for everything, right?)
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:37 am
Indeed. The Mail has now gone 380 and is anti=Brexit. Bit to late as they have caused most of the damage in the first place, but better late than never. Interesting piece on it here:SaintK wrote:It's ony The Mail that has changed it's tone. And that's only since the c unt Dacre stepped down as editorJoost wrote:Not sure that’s right, just have a look at the front page of the Terrorgraph website (you probably won’t be able to read most of the articles, which are now behind the ‘premium’ paywall, but you’ll get the idea!) - all about how no deal would be fine, how unacceptable the deal is, how the deal can be re-negotiated and some other stuff slagging off remainers.Duff Paddy wrote:There’s been a shift in the Tory media towards backing May in the past few days - they know it’s this deal or “no brexit at all”
Yet the editorial in today’s Daily Mail about the Tory party and Brexit is such a striking change of course that an exception to normal self-restraint is in order.
The headline on its leader – “Saboteurs endangering the nation” – may have seemed like normal Daily Mail fare. This was the newspaper, after all, which in its “Who will speak for England?” headline in 2016 pushed David Cameron aside and placed itself firmly at the head of the leave campaign; which used stories like “Plans to let 1.5m Turks into Britain” to make leave’s final push explicitly anti-migrant; which charged Britain’s impartial judges with being “Enemies of the people” for ruling that parliament was sovereign in the Brexit process; which welcomed Theresa May’s 2017 election launch with a call to “Crush the saboteurs”; and which, under the snarling headline “Proud of yourselves?”, excoriated 11 Tory MPs who backed a meaningful vote on Brexit for their “treachery”.
Yet the tone and, in particular, the focus of this morning’s leader were, in fact, very different from that confident in-your-face era. Instead of firing up the Brexiters for yet another act of anti-European contempt and defiance, as it had done for so long, the Mail this week turned its fire on them instead. It denounced the “arch-Brexiteers” for their “self-promotion and peacocking” and their efforts to undermine Mrs May. Former Mail heroes like Iain Duncan Smith, David Davis and Mr Johnson were dismissed as “vulgar bit-part players” and “back-stabbing plotters”, – and above all Mrs May, “the only person” who can secure an “acceptable outcome” and “sensible deal”.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:22 am
Tony Connolly on how the deal was done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:50 am
I've avoided brexit related threads mostly but I find May's latest proposal quite interesting.
- Indefinite status quo (custom's union) until a deal is worked out at some point in the next century.
Serves the Hard Brexiteers right for being twats about Chequers.
- Indefinite status quo (custom's union) until a deal is worked out at some point in the next century.
Serves the Hard Brexiteers right for being twats about Chequers.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:03 pm
The deal has not been done. The offer is unacceptable so worth a read it ain'tcamroc1 wrote:Tony Connolly on how the deal was done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:30 pm
Its not done until been passed by Parliament and the 27 other countries. Its very, very far from being done.Sefton wrote:The deal is done, that is why it was presented to the Cabinet and published.Anonymous. wrote:The deal has not been done. The offer is unacceptable so worth a read it ain'tcamroc1 wrote:Tony Connolly on how the deal was done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:34 pm
It's a proposed deal. This is a fact Sefton knows. It's so far from being done it's a jokeChipSpike wrote:Its not done until been passed by Parliament and the 27 other countries. Its very, very far from being done.Sefton wrote:The deal is done, that is why it was presented to the Cabinet and published.Anonymous. wrote:The deal has not been done. The offer is unacceptable so worth a read it ain'tcamroc1 wrote:Tony Connolly on how the deal was done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:37 pm
The European Union have made it clear that this is essentially take it or leave it territory. It is either this or no Deal. There isn’t time for anything else, no second referendum, no renegotiation, no significant extension of article 50.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:37 pm
Hell; at least now everyone has a concrete document to accept or reject !Anonymous. wrote:It's a proposed deal. This is a fact Sefton knows. It's so far from being done it's a jokeChipSpike wrote:Its not done until been passed by Parliament and the 27 other countries. Its very, very far from being done.Sefton wrote:The deal is done, that is why it was presented to the Cabinet and published.Anonymous. wrote:The deal has not been done. The offer is unacceptable so worth a read it ain'tcamroc1 wrote:Tony Connolly on how the deal was done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
My worry is that the Brexiteers in the pizza club, are planning on fucking up even that, by trying to tack on amendments during its passage in Westminster, so they can get it rejected, & have their own wet dream, a No Deal, & a way to blame the EU
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:38 pm
40 good reasons no body should support the deal, remained or brexiteer.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/t ... ssion=true
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/t ... ssion=true
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:39 pm
Not what I heard on the news. EU correspondent saying if the deal is rejected by Parliament it could be tweaked to get it through.Adetroy wrote:The European Union have made it clear that this is essentially take it or leave it territory. It is either this or no Deal. There isn’t time for anything else, no second referendum, no renegotiation, no significant extension of article 50.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:39 pm
Fixed.ChipSpike wrote:It's not done until been passed by Parliament and the 27 other countries. It's very, very far from being done.Sefton wrote:The deal is done, that is why it was presented to the Cabinet and published.Anonymous. wrote:The deal has not been done. The offer is unacceptable so worth a read it ain'tcamroc1 wrote:Tony Connolly on how the deal was done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
With the Daily Mail now u-turning and backing remain, I can see a lot more people having second thoughts. Hmm, I wonder if the Mail will get behind a peoples' vote?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:47 pm
The DM appears to be backing May's deal. It's an open question whether or not that is actually remaining. I wonder what will happen if the EU refuse a trade deal just to put the backstop in operation. Could that actually stand for long? I doubt it.easyray wrote:Fixed.ChipSpike wrote:It's not done until been passed by Parliament and the 27 other countries. It's very, very far from being done.Sefton wrote:The deal is done, that is why it was presented to the Cabinet and published.Anonymous. wrote:The deal has not been done. The offer is unacceptable so worth a read it ain'tcamroc1 wrote:Tony Connolly on how the deal was done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
With the Daily Mail now u-turning and backing remain, I can see a lot more people having second thoughts. Hmm, I wonder if the Mail will get behind a peoples' vote?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:05 pm
I haven't looked at the deal in depth but is it fair to say that it's a de facto extension?
Seems reasonable from where we stand currently. I just don't see how a no deal works.
Seems reasonable from where we stand currently. I just don't see how a no deal works.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:31 pm
Nothing's agreed until everything is agreed.ChipSpike wrote:Its not done until been passed by Parliament and the 27 other countries. Its very, very far from being done.Sefton wrote:The deal is done, that is why it was presented to the Cabinet and published.Anonymous. wrote:The deal has not been done. The offer is unacceptable so worth a read it ain'tcamroc1 wrote:Tony Connolly on how the deal was done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... 85-brexit/
Worth the read.
Some EU members feel Barnier has given away too much. Do you think the UK would be open to further discussion of any tweaks required by the EU?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:37 pm
We got a new thread 
To celebrate, watch this most excellent Brexit video:
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To celebrate, watch this most excellent Brexit video:
https://www.captiongenerator.com/117638 ... r4.twitter
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:51 pm
Is that the script for Kes-2?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:59 pm
Are you saying you think they should accept this these proposals even though they have repeatedly said they are against them.fishfoodie wrote:
Hell; at least now everyone has a concrete document to accept or reject !
My worry is that the Brexiteers in the pizza club, are planning on fucking up even that, by trying to tack on amendments during its passage in Westminster, so they can get it rejected, & have their own wet dream, a No Deal, & a way to blame the EU
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:24 pm
If there was any sniff of a possibility of a second referendum the EU would extend article 50Adetroy wrote:The European Union have made it clear that this is essentially take it or leave it territory. It is either this or no Deal. There isn’t time for anything else, no second referendum, no renegotiation, no significant extension of article 50.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:32 pm
Deal is a shambles, as is May. However, I think at the moment there are too many Tory wets in the Party to depose her. The ERG may have jumped too soon. She would definitely be ousted after deal fell in Parliament, but may not be ousted if the vote takes place next week.bimboman wrote:40 good reasons no body should support the deal, remained or brexiteer.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/t ... ssion=true
If she survives a vote next week, that's 12 months immunity meaning the deal can fall in Parliament, she can go back to the EU who will make superficial changes, and she'll put the deal back to (a fearful remain) Parliament who will pass it at the second time of asking under no-deal pressure.
That's how I see it playing out (and I hope tf I'm wrong).
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:05 pm
Tory Europhobes gave us Blair, this lot - Corbyn.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:54 pm
*Europhilesshereblue wrote:Tory Europhobes gave us Blair, this lot - Corbyn.
Major gave us Blair, May is going to lead to Corbyn.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:18 pm
Can you lot not see that Europe is just leading you on? - they don't want a deal; they just want you to piss off.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:31 pm
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:34 pm
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:51 pm
Who could've predicted it was such an awful, awful idea to Brexit?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:53 pm
Good LordDuff Paddy wrote:There’s been a shift in the Tory media towards backing May in the past few days - they know it’s this deal or “no brexit at all”
Silliest post ever made
Or have I been whooshed?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:51 pm
Is there any actually evidence anyone could have done better? This deal as it is is very similar to what Labour proposed should be the deal.c69 wrote:Feck me tbh, you will ould have done better than the lazy right wing twats we had as negotiatorsEnzedder wrote:Can you lot not see that Europe is just leading you on? - they don't want a deal; they just want you to piss off.
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:52 pm
The issue is agreement on what the deal should be and what makes a good deal or not. WHich all seems opinion. We've noting yet if Brexit is good or bad.Floppykid wrote:Who could've predicted it was such an awful, awful idea to Brexit?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:59 pm
Brexit was a shit idea and still is. Sorry, believe in what you want, believe in your unicorns and sunny uplands, just don't expect other people to go along with those fantasies.eldanielfire wrote:The issue is agreement on what the deal should be and what makes a good deal or not. WHich all seems opinion. We've noting yet if Brexit is good or bad.Floppykid wrote:Who could've predicted it was such an awful, awful idea to Brexit?
Re: The new official and sanctioned Brexit thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:00 pm
Oh mate.eldanielfire wrote:The issue is agreement on what the deal should be and what makes a good deal or not. WHich all seems opinion. We've noting yet if Brexit is good or bad.Floppykid wrote:Who could've predicted it was such an awful, awful idea to Brexit?
