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The DUP have just gone full wally mode

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/brexit-sammy-wilson-says-ufu-and-business-leaders-are-puppets-of-ni-office-1-8711528

Business and farming leaders are being used as “puppets” by the Northern Ireland Office in a bid to promote Theresa May’s controversial Brexit deal, a senior DUP figure has alleged.

Read more at: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/brexi ... -1-8711528

I'm hoping this is a nail in their coffin locally and that likes of Alliance, if not the Ulster Unionists can make hay. To my mind their position hurts the NI economy AND will push more towards a United ireland in their thinking. Being staunch and creating a cold house for catholics doesnt cut it any more.

https://twitter.com/ManufacturingNI/status/1064799563905736704?s=19
Went down like a lead balloon...

When even Wrightbus declines to publicly support the DUP position you know they're in the deep shit.


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So the DUP voted against the Tory government on a finance bill, That's the Confidence and Supply deal gone as well.
They did not vote against the governments amendments but they support a Labour one.



No they abstained so it was a warning shot for now. Though there's no way they'll vote for Mays deal.

No, it was a breach of the C and S deal in which they committed to supporting government finance bills interalia.

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No one is saying it was not a breach. Just that they did not vote against the government as you said and that that agreement is not over as you suggested. The government clearly does not want it to be and the DUP don't consider it to be over. So it isn't. That is the way it is as well you know.


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Spanish Foreign Minister says Sanchez government would not block an independent Scotland, that seceded constitutionally, from re-joining the EU. cc
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Spanish Foreign Minister says Sanchez government would not block an independent Scotland, that seceded constitutionally, from re-joining the EU. cc
@NicolaSturgeon @KirstyS_Hughes

#makethesweatiespayforthewall


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http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-fails-again-to-block-court-case-that-could-allow-the-uk-to-reverse-brexit-2018-11
May lost the appeal.

• Theresa May's government is refused permission for an appeal to block a court case which will decide whether the UK can reverse Brexit.
• The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected an application by the government to appeal against a ruling which has sent the Article 50 case to the European Court of Justice, Europe's highest court.
• The government also failed in a previous bid to block the court case.
• The case will be heard at the ECJ on November 27.


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tazman77 wrote:
etherman wrote:
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The DUP have just gone full wally mode

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/brexit-sammy-wilson-says-ufu-and-business-leaders-are-puppets-of-ni-office-1-8711528

Business and farming leaders are being used as “puppets” by the Northern Ireland Office in a bid to promote Theresa May’s controversial Brexit deal, a senior DUP figure has alleged.

Read more at: https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/brexi ... -1-8711528

I'm hoping this is a nail in their coffin locally and that likes of Alliance, if not the Ulster Unionists can make hay. To my mind their position hurts the NI economy AND will push more towards a United ireland in their thinking. Being staunch and creating a cold house for catholics doesnt cut it any more.

https://twitter.com/ManufacturingNI/status/1064799563905736704?s=19
Went down like a lead balloon...


Some big employers here backing it. And Pro Brexit companies notable by their silence.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/busi ... 45373.html


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Just saw Simple Sammy called Leo a "Brit Basher" :lol:

Wait til he finds out he's gay too. :lol:


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Ulster Farmers Union comes out publicly in favour of the WA.

https://www.ufuni.org/news/uk-farming-u ... -agreement


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Ulster Farmers Union comes out publicly in favour of the WA.

https://www.ufuni.org/news/uk-farming-u ... -agreement


Its all four farming unions, not just Ulster


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Ulster Farmers Union comes out publicly in favour of the WA.

https://www.ufuni.org/news/uk-farming-u ... -agreement


Its all four farming unions, not just Ulster

UFU would be very strongly Unionist though.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:22 pm 
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Ulster Farmers Union comes out publicly in favour of the WA.

https://www.ufuni.org/news/uk-farming-u ... -agreement


Its all four farming unions, not just Ulster

UFU would be very strongly Unionist though.

The DUP would lose alot of support if their support had somewhere to go. Yer man Robin Swan who we are led to believe is leading the Ulster Unionist party cant string a sentence together and in an interview this week performed the remarkable stunt of reversing up his own arsehole.

In East Belfast Alliance may come back, but the DUPers will keep their Antrim fiefdoms and continue to use North Belfast etc as a keep Sinn fein out issue.

The best thing in all of this is that SF have largely kept their mouths shut. The less this becomes a green and orange issue the more likely sense will prevail.


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Sinn fein support May's deal

They don't want a remain outcome as that wpuld likely cement the status quo.

#Brexit will create a permanent pressure towards united Itelamd both North and South. As long as Ireland and UK were in the EU then the unificstion issue was immaterial as both pooled sovereignty. It didnt really matter other tham for flegs.

With brexit in place it does matter. The impetus for nationalist and republicans to drive fpr unifocation would be strong.

So SF are licking their lips at prospext of #Brexit. Deal or no deal.


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https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/stat ... 7176860674

Arlene, Arlene, Arlene...


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Sinn fein support May's deal

They don't want a remain outcome as that wpuld likely cement the status quo.

#Brexit will create a permanent pressure towards united Itelamd both North and South. As long as Ireland and UK were in the EU then the unificstion issue was immaterial as both pooled sovereignty. It didnt really matter other tham for flegs.

With brexit in place it does matter. The impetus for nationalist and republicans to drive fpr unifocation would be strong.

So SF are licking their lips at prospext of #Brexit. Deal or no deal.

Its kind of win win, they can work under any of the outcomes. One route gives them an argument for difference and greater "joint soverignty" and a slide to a UI. A No Deal will alienate the middle ground from the UK and a push for a border poll. Unionists have realised to late that the EU was smoothing over a lot of the cracks when it came to the GFA.


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Sinn Fein like the deal ? Another reason to get
Rid of it now.


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waguser wrote:
Sinn fein support May's deal

They don't want a remain outcome as that wpuld likely cement the status quo.

#Brexit will create a permanent pressure towards united Itelamd both North and South. As long as Ireland and UK were in the EU then the unificstion issue was immaterial as both pooled sovereignty. It didnt really matter other tham for flegs.

With brexit in place it does matter. The impetus for nationalist and republicans to drive fpr unifocation would be strong.

So SF are licking their lips at prospext of #Brexit. Deal or no deal.


Its a myth that SF want a united Ireland, they like to pretend they do but it renders them obsolete which is why they are absolutely pro-remain. It is ironic that the DUP might be the ones to force a UI on them


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This from 2017 Life & Times Survey, which is one of the major surveys of attitudes done by Queens here:
I would be in favour of Northern Ireland entering a political and economic alliance with the Republic of Ireland if it would help jobs and the economy

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Strongly agree 27
Agree 33
Neither agree nor disagree 9
Disagree 10
Strongly disagree 6
Don't know 14


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MrJonno wrote:
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Sinn fein support May's deal

They don't want a remain outcome as that wpuld likely cement the status quo.

#Brexit will create a permanent pressure towards united Itelamd both North and South. As long as Ireland and UK were in the EU then the unificstion issue was immaterial as both pooled sovereignty. It didnt really matter other tham for flegs.

With brexit in place it does matter. The impetus for nationalist and republicans to drive fpr unifocation would be strong.

So SF are licking their lips at prospext of #Brexit. Deal or no deal.


Its a myth that SF want a united Ireland, they like to pretend they do but it renders them obsolete which is why they are absolutely pro-remain. It is ironic that the DUP might be the ones to force a UI on them

:?

So did UKIP not want Brexit?


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Its a myth that SF want a united Ireland


Post of the year? :shock: :lol:


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This from 2017 Life & Times Survey, which is one of the major surveys of attitudes done by Queens here:
I would be in favour of Northern Ireland entering a political and economic alliance with the Republic of Ireland if it would help jobs and the economy

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Strongly agree 27
Agree 33
Neither agree nor disagree 9
Disagree 10
Strongly disagree 6
Don't know 14


Really? Only 16% anti? I'm (pleasantly) shocked - I thought Unionist sentiment was stronger than that. Or have I misunderstood something about the nature of this survey?

That really does hold out serious hope for a united Ireland. How amazing that would be, to finally draw a line under the whole sorry saga after 850 years.


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This from 2017 Life & Times Survey, which is one of the major surveys of attitudes done by Queens here:
I would be in favour of Northern Ireland entering a political and economic alliance with the Republic of Ireland if it would help jobs and the economy

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Strongly agree 27
Agree 33
Neither agree nor disagree 9
Disagree 10
Strongly disagree 6
Don't know 14


Really? Only 16% anti? I'm (pleasantly) shocked - I thought Unionist sentiment was stronger than that. Or have I misunderstood something about the nature of this survey?

That really does hold out serious hope for a united Ireland. How amazing that would be, to finally draw a line under the whole sorry saga after 850 years.


Heres the link to that particular question, but you can access all of it here. People read a lot into whether people call themselves Irish or British or Northern irish etc etc. But sometimes they are simply less hung up on the labels and the big constitutional blah blah and want to live more comfortable lives.
http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2017/Politica ... OIALL.html

Edit: Also notice the question doesnt use the term United Ireland. I've long felt its a tarnished term which just brings a need jerk reaction.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
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Its a myth that SF want a united Ireland


Post of the year? :shock: :lol:

It is a cracker. Shinners are secret unionists and the DUP are pushing for a United Ireland. The worlds gone radio rental.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
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Its a myth that SF want a united Ireland


Post of the year? :shock: :lol:


Its an open secret in some circles that the top SF/IRA politicos were army informants. Trying telling a shinner and they laugh it off. Its all a little more complicated than you realise.


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etherman wrote:
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Its a myth that SF want a united Ireland


Post of the year? :shock: :lol:

It is a cracker. Shinners are secret unionists and the DUP are pushing for a United Ireland. The worlds gone radio rental.


I didn't say the DUP realise their actions are more likely to lead to a UI but most other people can see the truth in the suggestion they are. Do you deny it? The fact that its moronic (of the DUP) doesn't make it untrue.


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MrJonno wrote:
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Its a myth that SF want a united Ireland


Post of the year? :shock: :lol:


Its an open secret in some circles that the top SF/IRA politicos were army informants. Trying telling a shinner and they laugh it off. Its all a little more complicated than you realise.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You think they were informants because they were Unionists?? Yes, its complicated. Clearly too complicated for you.


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This thread has peaked too early. We're going to need a new one.


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etherman wrote:
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Its a myth that SF want a united Ireland


Post of the year? :shock: :lol:


Its an open secret in some circles that the top SF/IRA politicos were army informants. Trying telling a shinner and they laugh it off. Its all a little more complicated than you realise.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You think they were informants because they were Unionists?? Yes, its complicated. Clearly too complicated for you.



Don't be a moron I didn't say that. They were informants because it meant they were protected from arrest (or at least would be released shortly after being picked up) by the RUC.


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Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
This thread has peaked too early. We're going to need a new one.

They tick along nicely for a time and then some pigdog blunders in with certain knowledge of something ludicrous and it all goes to shit in a shopping trolley.


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etherman wrote:
Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
This thread has peaked too early. We're going to need a new one.

They tick along nicely for a time and then some pigdog blunders in with certain knowledge of something ludicrous and it all goes to shit in a shopping trolley.



British people with a view on Brexit... Surely it's an Irish issue.


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etherman wrote:
Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:
This thread has peaked too early. We're going to need a new one.

They tick along nicely for a time and then some pigdog blunders in with certain knowledge of something ludicrous and it all goes to shit in a shopping trolley.



British people with a view on Brexit... Surely it's an Irish issue.

:lol:

Sometimes Bimbo.... Sometimes :lol: :thumbup:


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The Quarry Products Association (NI) welcomes the withdrawal agreement.
Sammy s face must be getting redder and redder.

http://www.qpani.org/documents/Construc ... eement.pdf


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Doesn't matter what they like. Spain aren't going to accept the withdrawal agreement, so the non negotiable agreement, needs to be...re-negotiated. We can probably slip some changes in as well. :thumbup:


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Going to be an extension folks.


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etherman wrote:
This from 2017 Life & Times Survey, which is one of the major surveys of attitudes done by Queens here:
I would be in favour of Northern Ireland entering a political and economic alliance with the Republic of Ireland if it would help jobs and the economy

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Strongly agree 27
Agree 33
Neither agree nor disagree 9
Disagree 10
Strongly disagree 6
Don't know 14
Passed out drunk at the time of the survey 1


Fixed.


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Going to be an extension folks.


I thought Pat Lam had gone to Bristol ?


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Less Freedom, less foreigners.
What a deal.


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Less Freedom, less foreigners.
What a deal.

Fewer foreigners. Ffs, if we're taking back control can that at least include grammar.


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https://www.independent.ie/business/bre ... 50325.html

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Former UK foreign secretary Boris Johnson is set to be a surprise attendee at the DUP's annual conference this weekend.

While EU leaders gather in Brussels to rubber stamp the Brexit deal agreed with Prime Minister Theresa May, the hardline Brexiteer will be in Northern Ireland.

While serving as foreign secretary Mr Johnson failed to ever visit the border between the North and Republic and described the so-called Irish question that has dogged the Brexit negotiations as "folly".

The Fermanagh-based 'Impartial Reporter' is now reporting that he will attend the DUP's annual conference in Belfast on Saturday. The move is likely to be seen as a further sign that Arlene Foster's party are preparing to dump their confidence and supply arrangement with Mrs May.

Mr Johnson has been one of the Prime Minister's fiercest critics since quitting Cabinet over her Brexit plan.

The headline guest at the gathering was expected to be UK Chancellor Philip Hammond.

He is still expected to address DUP members on Friday night but that will be overshadowed by Mr Johnson's arrival on Saturday ahead of Mrs Foster's keynote address.


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https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/boris-johnson-set-to-be-surprise-attendee-at-dup-annual-conference-37550325.html

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Former UK foreign secretary Boris Johnson is set to be a surprise attendee at the DUP's annual conference this weekend.

While EU leaders gather in Brussels to rubber stamp the Brexit deal agreed with Prime Minister Theresa May, the hardline Brexiteer will be in Northern Ireland.

While serving as foreign secretary Mr Johnson failed to ever visit the border between the North and Republic and described the so-called Irish question that has dogged the Brexit negotiations as "folly".

The Fermanagh-based 'Impartial Reporter' is now reporting that he will attend the DUP's annual conference in Belfast on Saturday. The move is likely to be seen as a further sign that Arlene Foster's party are preparing to dump their confidence and supply arrangement with Mrs May.

Mr Johnson has been one of the Prime Minister's fiercest critics since quitting Cabinet over her Brexit plan.

The headline guest at the gathering was expected to be UK Chancellor Philip Hammond.

He is still expected to address DUP members on Friday night but that will be overshadowed by Mr Johnson's arrival on Saturday ahead of Mrs Foster's keynote address.


And then I am told that right wing loons are just a continental Europe problem.


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Sinn Fein like the deal ? Another reason to get
Rid of it now.


Sinn fein love Brexit

Their favourite is no deal brexit

Their least fsvourite is remain.

Remain pretty much guarantees no united Ireland for forseeable future.

Hard brexit will cause havoc in NI and UK.
SF love havoc in NI and U.K.


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