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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:58 am 
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I like haggis wrote:
A politician was literally shot and killed for being a remainder.

When you talk about political violence maybe remember that?

Oh, and she was killed by someone shouting the guff Farage and his like are screaming about right now.

And a National Force member was jailed the other day for plotting to kill an MP.

Milkshakes aren't the problem.

It's precisely the point. A Tory councillor was petrol-bombed the other night too.

Enough already, none of it okay, and no one should be encouraging any form of physical attack against politicians.


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Rugby2023 wrote:
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It is quite rich for someone who goes round the country telling everyone they have been betrayed (tearing apart the fabric of society, telling them that civil servants, for instance, are against them) to feign horror when this febrile environment he's created leads to a few people wielding cups of milk.

I really wish he'd just fudge off somewhere - anywhere - not here.

The "cups of milk" isn't really the issue, it's politicians being attacked. Today it might be milk, but there have been those on social media advocating throwing acid. If we're tolerating or encouraging this, how long before some unhinged loon takes it upon themselves to splash a "racist" with acid believing it's justified? Then comes the retribution from the other side. It's a slippery slope I'd really rather our politics didn't go down. We don't have to agree with political views but we can at least agree that people have the freedom to hold them without members of the public physically throwing substances at them. There are legitimate forms of protest, this isn't one of them.

Agree 100% - nobody should be attacked with any substance as it potentially opens the door for more serious attacks - it's just funny that an absolute c*nt who has created an atmosphere like this then feigns fear and outrage.

Farage isn't actually "telling" anyone anything, he is lending his voice to what they already believe. If he stopped, they'd rally around someone else who held similar views to theirs. We can't silence people Commie-style because we dont like their message, because ultimately their message comes from how the people feel and clearly the 17.4 million Britons who voted for Brexit are feeling pretty betrayed that we're still in the EU.

Farage takes it to a new level - a level he knows there's no way back from, but he doesn't care. I quite agree that Brexit voters have been betrayed. He's one of the people who betrayed them by telling them their problems were the fault of the EU and immigrants. He betrayed them by telling them Brexit was easy and Britain was a powerful country so can have what it wants. He doubles down - refusing to admit the complexity - and now also blames institutions like the civil service or his famous undefined "establishment" and "elite". Of course, some of the media and even the PM have sang along to his tune, also made the promises and refused to be straight about the challenges. No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.



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Sam shark, you don’t half give a huge amount of power to one man.


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Rugby2023 wrote:
I like haggis wrote:
A politician was literally shot and killed for being a remainder.

When you talk about political violence maybe remember that?

Oh, and she was killed by someone shouting the guff Farage and his like are screaming about right now.

And a National Force member was jailed the other day for plotting to kill an MP.

Milkshakes aren't the problem.

It's precisely the point. A Tory councillor was petrol-bombed the other night too.

Enough already, none of it okay, and no one should be encouraging any form of physical attack against politicians.


That petrol bombing is mental - who petrol bombs someone over planning permission :shock: and why isn't it bigger news? That's more pressing than Farage having milkshake chucked on him.

Milkshakes are today's eggings, it's not good but spare everyone the pearl clutching that it's the start of a breakdown of society. Literally nobody would've claimed that when politicians used to get egged.


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I like haggis wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
I like haggis wrote:
A politician was literally shot and killed for being a remainder.

When you talk about political violence maybe remember that?

Oh, and she was killed by someone shouting the guff Farage and his like are screaming about right now.

And a National Force member was jailed the other day for plotting to kill an MP.

Milkshakes aren't the problem.

It's precisely the point. A Tory councillor was petrol-bombed the other night too.

Enough already, none of it okay, and no one should be encouraging any form of physical attack against politicians.


That petrol bombing is mental - who petrol bombs someone over planning permission :shock: and why isn't it bigger news? That's more pressing than Farage having milkshake chucked on him.

Milkshakes are today's eggings, it's not good but spare everyone the pearl clutching that it's the start of a breakdown of society. Literally nobody would've claimed that when politicians used to get egged.



You agree that force stoping or disrupting a democratic process is nothing to worry about. That’s frightening


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I was going to point out the difference between petrol bombs and milkshakes to Bimbo, but it doesn't seem to be worth the effort.


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I was going to point out the difference between petrol bombs and milkshakes to Bimbo, but it doesn't seem to be worth the effort.



You agree with force disrupting a political process. It isn’t a surprise.


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Does anyone actually think that Brexit could speed up the potential disintegration of the UK ..... ?

Fingers crossed.


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Does anyone actually think that Brexit could speed up the potential disintegration of the UK ..... ?

Fingers crossed.


Genuine question, how does Wales economically support itself in such a scenario?

Brexit is a total mess but I am not such an ideologue that I would wish the disintegration of the nation state over it. Seems petty unless you're a massive PC fan, in which case, I pity you.


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Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


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Caley_Red wrote:
c69 wrote:
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Does anyone actually think that Brexit could speed up the potential disintegration of the UK ..... ?

Fingers crossed.


Genuine question, how does Wales economically support itself in such a scenario?

Brexit is a total mess but I am not such an ideologue that I would wish the disintegration of the nation state over it. Seems petty unless you're a massive PC fan, in which case, I pity you.



It doesn’t because it can’t. Stupid nationalist bigots don’t actually care about the people who live in a country. Partially that’s because the left wing mentalists don’t understand basic economics, these people are often left wing/socialist nationalists who work in the public sector and are trying to pretend to themselves they’re “special”.


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I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.



Sorry? The reaction to Soubry being shouted at was hysterically bought to the HoC and the left wing and broadcast media had a wankfest over it.


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SamShark wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
SamShark wrote:
It is quite rich for someone who goes round the country telling everyone they have been betrayed (tearing apart the fabric of society, telling them that civil servants, for instance, are against them) to feign horror when this febrile environment he's created leads to a few people wielding cups of milk.

I really wish he'd just fudge off somewhere - anywhere - not here.

The "cups of milk" isn't really the issue, it's politicians being attacked. Today it might be milk, but there have been those on social media advocating throwing acid. If we're tolerating or encouraging this, how long before some unhinged loon takes it upon themselves to splash a "racist" with acid believing it's justified? Then comes the retribution from the other side. It's a slippery slope I'd really rather our politics didn't go down. We don't have to agree with political views but we can at least agree that people have the freedom to hold them without members of the public physically throwing substances at them. There are legitimate forms of protest, this isn't one of them.

Agree 100% - nobody should be attacked with any substance as it potentially opens the door for more serious attacks - it's just funny that an absolute c*nt who has created an atmosphere like this then feigns fear and outrage.

Farage isn't actually "telling" anyone anything, he is lending his voice to what they already believe. If he stopped, they'd rally around someone else who held similar views to theirs. We can't silence people Commie-style because we dont like their message, because ultimately their message comes from how the people feel and clearly the 17.4 million Britons who voted for Brexit are feeling pretty betrayed that we're still in the EU.

Farage takes it to a new level - a level he knows there's no way back from, but he doesn't care. I quite agree that Brexit voters have been betrayed. He's one of the people who betrayed them by telling them their problems were the fault of the EU and immigrants. He betrayed them by telling them Brexit was easy and Britain was a powerful country so can have what it wants. He doubles down - refusing to admit the complexity - and now also blames institutions like the civil service or his famous undefined "establishment" and "elite". Of course, some of the media and even the PM have sang along to his tune, also made the promises and refused to be straight about the challenges. No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.



The last part is typical of the stuff you hear from the like of Le pen in continental Europe.

And Farage is classified as such in some papers.


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I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


Hell, Prescott whacked some bloke for egging him and that was at least a decade ago.


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Rugby2023 wrote:
SamShark wrote:
It is quite rich for someone who goes round the country telling everyone they have been betrayed (tearing apart the fabric of society, telling them that civil servants, for instance, are against them) to feign horror when this febrile environment he's created leads to a few people wielding cups of milk.

I really wish he'd just fudge off somewhere - anywhere - not here.

The "cups of milk" isn't really the issue, it's politicians being attacked. Today it might be milk, but there have been those on social media advocating throwing acid. If we're tolerating or encouraging this, how long before some unhinged loon takes it upon themselves to splash a "racist" with acid believing it's justified? Then comes the retribution from the other side. It's a slippery slope I'd really rather our politics didn't go down. We don't have to agree with political views but we can at least agree that people have the freedom to hold them without members of the public physically throwing substances at them. There are legitimate forms of protest, this isn't one of them.

Agree 100% - nobody should be attacked with any substance as it potentially opens the door for more serious attacks - it's just funny that an absolute c*nt who has created an atmosphere like this then feigns fear and outrage.

Farage isn't actually "telling" anyone anything, he is lending his voice to what they already believe. If he stopped, they'd rally around someone else who held similar views to theirs. We can't silence people Commie-style because we dont like their message, because ultimately their message comes from how the people feel and clearly the 17.4 million Britons who voted for Brexit are feeling pretty betrayed that we're still in the EU.

Farage takes it to a new level - a level he knows there's no way back from, but he doesn't care. I quite agree that Brexit voters have been betrayed. He's one of the people who betrayed them by telling them their problems were the fault of the EU and immigrants. He betrayed them by telling them Brexit was easy and Britain was a powerful country so can have what it wants. He doubles down - refusing to admit the complexity - and now also blames institutions like the civil service or his famous undefined "establishment" and "elite". Of course, some of the media and even the PM have sang along to his tune, also made the promises and refused to be straight about the challenges. No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.



The last part is typical of the stuff you hear from the like of Le pen in continental Europe.

And Farage is classified as such in some papers.


Apparently it is Philippot that has Farage's "support" over here...

Christ even Le Pen and Asselineau's barking mad Frexit party won't go near him. :lol:


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He was Le pens campaign manager.... (won’t go near). Are there links to him and Farage btw?


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I think paint would be a better option for chucking at Farage et al but then that's harder to lug about the streets and then get the lid off of.


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I think paint would be a better option for chucking at Farage et al but then that's harder to lug about the streets and then get the lid off of.



It’s also toxic.


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I think paint would be a better option for chucking at Farage et al but then that's harder to lug about the streets and then get the lid off of.

They won't let you on public transport with paint either.


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c69 wrote:
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Does anyone actually think that Brexit could speed up the potential disintegration of the UK ..... ?

Fingers crossed.


Genuine question, how does Wales economically support itself in such a scenario?

Brexit is a total mess but I am not such an ideologue that I would wish the disintegration of the nation state over it. Seems petty unless you're a massive PC fan, in which case, I pity you.

Tax the fúck out of holiday homes ?


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SamShark wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
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It is quite rich for someone who goes round the country telling everyone they have been betrayed (tearing apart the fabric of society, telling them that civil servants, for instance, are against them) to feign horror when this febrile environment he's created leads to a few people wielding cups of milk.

I really wish he'd just fudge off somewhere - anywhere - not here.

The "cups of milk" isn't really the issue, it's politicians being attacked. Today it might be milk, but there have been those on social media advocating throwing acid. If we're tolerating or encouraging this, how long before some unhinged loon takes it upon themselves to splash a "racist" with acid believing it's justified? Then comes the retribution from the other side. It's a slippery slope I'd really rather our politics didn't go down. We don't have to agree with political views but we can at least agree that people have the freedom to hold them without members of the public physically throwing substances at them. There are legitimate forms of protest, this isn't one of them.

Agree 100% - nobody should be attacked with any substance as it potentially opens the door for more serious attacks - it's just funny that an absolute c*nt who has created an atmosphere like this then feigns fear and outrage.

Farage isn't actually "telling" anyone anything, he is lending his voice to what they already believe. If he stopped, they'd rally around someone else who held similar views to theirs. We can't silence people Commie-style because we dont like their message, because ultimately their message comes from how the people feel and clearly the 17.4 million Britons who voted for Brexit are feeling pretty betrayed that we're still in the EU.

Farage takes it to a new level - a level he knows there's no way back from, but he doesn't care. I quite agree that Brexit voters have been betrayed. He's one of the people who betrayed them by telling them their problems were the fault of the EU and immigrants. He betrayed them by telling them Brexit was easy and Britain was a powerful country so can have what it wants. He doubles down - refusing to admit the complexity - and now also blames institutions like the civil service or his famous undefined "establishment" and "elite". Of course, some of the media and even the PM have sang along to his tune, also made the promises and refused to be straight about the challenges. No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.




Fully agree with all of Sam's comments


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I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


So much for "donning khaki" and manning the barricades...


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I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.
Thomas Mair shot Jo Cox 3 times and stabbed her 15 times. A woman just 5' tall. The apologists draw parallels, if not equivalence, with an egging to Farage. They point out that Thomas Mair (a cult figure for some) was a nutter. Yes, we have nutters in the UK - shock horror. Whilst the nutter was stabbing and shooting he shouted "Britain First!", "this is for Britain!" etc.

Do the apologists submit that those words and Mair's cult status are just one big cosmic coincidence? Or that Mair and his idolisers were tipped over the edge by technical arguments over the sovereignty of a nation state within the EU construct. Or could the inflammatory language of Hitler, Soviet Russia, enslavement, WW2, jackboots etc have had an effect?

If Nigel Farage stopped for any thought following Jo Cox's murder, it is best evidenced by his Campaign having redoubled its social media efforts during the ensuing moratorium on campaigning. Farage appears to have learned no lessons from Cox's murder judging by his subsequent talk of donning khaki, picking up a rifle and returning to the front line.

No one should be assaulted in any way when campaigning. Even hypocrites who would milk a throw of a milkshake for political advantage. Sadly a milkshake thrown probably does create momentary but grave apprehension in a public figure. Farage would do well to contemplate his true part in this.


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I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


So we’ve had Prescott, Miliband, Corbyn, Yaxley-Lennon and Farage, who else? And when did the bed-wetting start?


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I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


So we’ve had Prescott, Miliband, Corbyn, Yaxley-Lennon and Farage, who else? And when did the bed-wetting start?


that Zarhan Arkan racist fat fu.ck

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Plato'sCave wrote:
I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


So we’ve had Prescott, Miliband, Corbyn, Yaxley-Lennon and Farage, who else? And when did the bed-wetting start?


With Corbyn.

With Miliband and Prescott is was laughed off. But these are strange times we live in.


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I like haggis wrote:
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I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


So we’ve had Prescott, Miliband, Corbyn, Yaxley-Lennon and Farage, who else? And when did the bed-wetting start?


With Corbyn.

With Miliband and Prescott is was laughed off. But these are strange times we live in.


Well the bedwetting DT seemed more worried about the Tory fanboi with the mullet: "The incident was deeply embarrassing and could end Mr Prescott's ministerial career"


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I like haggis wrote:
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I like haggis wrote:
Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


So we’ve had Prescott, Miliband, Corbyn, Yaxley-Lennon and Farage, who else? And when did the bed-wetting start?


With Corbyn.

With Miliband and Prescott is was laughed off. But these are strange times we live in.


That’s what I thought.


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Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.


So much for "donning khaki" and manning the barricades...



Politcians get egged. Politician's oppoenents have a bit of a snigger. Everyone agrees in a po-faced kinda way how terrible it all is. Eggers get charged and convicted with lower order assault. Gaiety has been added to the Nation and no great harm.

But start cheering it on because they are the "wrong" politicians and it all looks a little darker. It's particularly silly because if they really are the "wrong" sort of politcians (as aposed to people you disagree with) that's not the sort of rule you want to establish. Which leads me to believe that no-one (even fevered souls like Sam Shark) really does think Fargae and Co are really threats to the Nation.


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Rugby2023 wrote:
SamShark wrote:
It is quite rich for someone who goes round the country telling everyone they have been betrayed (tearing apart the fabric of society, telling them that civil servants, for instance, are against them) to feign horror when this febrile environment he's created leads to a few people wielding cups of milk.

I really wish he'd just fudge off somewhere - anywhere - not here.

The "cups of milk" isn't really the issue, it's politicians being attacked. Today it might be milk, but there have been those on social media advocating throwing acid. If we're tolerating or encouraging this, how long before some unhinged loon takes it upon themselves to splash a "racist" with acid believing it's justified? Then comes the retribution from the other side. It's a slippery slope I'd really rather our politics didn't go down. We don't have to agree with political views but we can at least agree that people have the freedom to hold them without members of the public physically throwing substances at them. There are legitimate forms of protest, this isn't one of them.

Agree 100% - nobody should be attacked with any substance as it potentially opens the door for more serious attacks - it's just funny that an absolute c*nt who has created an atmosphere like this then feigns fear and outrage.

Farage isn't actually "telling" anyone anything, he is lending his voice to what they already believe. If he stopped, they'd rally around someone else who held similar views to theirs. We can't silence people Commie-style because we dont like their message, because ultimately their message comes from how the people feel and clearly the 17.4 million Britons who voted for Brexit are feeling pretty betrayed that we're still in the EU.

Farage takes it to a new level - a level he knows there's no way back from, but he doesn't care. I quite agree that Brexit voters have been betrayed. He's one of the people who betrayed them by telling them their problems were the fault of the EU and immigrants. He betrayed them by telling them Brexit was easy and Britain was a powerful country so can have what it wants. He doubles down - refusing to admit the complexity - and now also blames institutions like the civil service or his famous undefined "establishment" and "elite". Of course, some of the media and even the PM have sang along to his tune, also made the promises and refused to be straight about the challenges. No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.




Fully agree with all of Sam's comments


They are weapon's grade bollocks.

There is a certain type of Remainer who is completely unable to acknowledge any validity in the opposing view or recognise that people of good faith can disagree with them. Problem is that puts them in the crux of essentially arguing that 52% of the UK's population are terrible people who's views are inherently illegitamite - and even these fevered souls are dimly aware that makes them sound like they might, just possibly, be the real assholes in this story.

But lo, through the magic of denying agency to their opponents, they can with one cognitive bound be free of their crux and once again rise to the lofty heights they are pretty sure they occupy.


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I think paint would be a better option for chucking at Farage et al but then that's harder to lug about the streets and then get the lid off of.

They won't let you on public transport with paint either.

Ink then maybe?


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:33 am 
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There is a certain type of Remainer who is completely unable to acknowledge any validity in the opposing view or recognise that people of good faith can disagree with them.



And write...

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No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.


...without a hint of self-awareness as to why it's been impossible to negotiate anything with the EU for the last 3 years!


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I think paint would be a better option for chucking at Farage et al but then that's harder to lug about the streets and then get the lid off of.



It’s also toxic.

Shame.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:40 am 
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zzzz wrote:
Southernscot wrote:
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It is quite rich for someone who goes round the country telling everyone they have been betrayed (tearing apart the fabric of society, telling them that civil servants, for instance, are against them) to feign horror when this febrile environment he's created leads to a few people wielding cups of milk.

I really wish he'd just fudge off somewhere - anywhere - not here.

The "cups of milk" isn't really the issue, it's politicians being attacked. Today it might be milk, but there have been those on social media advocating throwing acid. If we're tolerating or encouraging this, how long before some unhinged loon takes it upon themselves to splash a "racist" with acid believing it's justified? Then comes the retribution from the other side. It's a slippery slope I'd really rather our politics didn't go down. We don't have to agree with political views but we can at least agree that people have the freedom to hold them without members of the public physically throwing substances at them. There are legitimate forms of protest, this isn't one of them.

Agree 100% - nobody should be attacked with any substance as it potentially opens the door for more serious attacks - it's just funny that an absolute c*nt who has created an atmosphere like this then feigns fear and outrage.

Farage isn't actually "telling" anyone anything, he is lending his voice to what they already believe. If he stopped, they'd rally around someone else who held similar views to theirs. We can't silence people Commie-style because we dont like their message, because ultimately their message comes from how the people feel and clearly the 17.4 million Britons who voted for Brexit are feeling pretty betrayed that we're still in the EU.

Farage takes it to a new level - a level he knows there's no way back from, but he doesn't care. I quite agree that Brexit voters have been betrayed. He's one of the people who betrayed them by telling them their problems were the fault of the EU and immigrants. He betrayed them by telling them Brexit was easy and Britain was a powerful country so can have what it wants. He doubles down - refusing to admit the complexity - and now also blames institutions like the civil service or his famous undefined "establishment" and "elite". Of course, some of the media and even the PM have sang along to his tune, also made the promises and refused to be straight about the challenges. No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.




Fully agree with all of Sam's comments


They are weapon's grade bollocks.

There is a certain type of Remainer who is completely unable to acknowledge any validity in the opposing view or recognise that people of good faith can disagree with them. Problem is that puts them in the crux of essentially arguing that 52% of the UK's population are terrible people who's views are inherently illegitamite - and even these fevered souls are dimly aware that makes them sound like they might, just possibly, be the real assholes in this story.

But lo, through the magic of denying agency to their opponents, they can with one cognitive bound be free of their crux and once again rise to the lofty heights they are pretty sure they occupy.

What sententious twaddle.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate Farage's ability to acknowledge any validity in the opposing view or that people of good faith (ie not the metropolitan elite) can disagree with him ? :lol:


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ForzaIt wrote:
zzzz wrote:

There is a certain type of Remainer who is completely unable to acknowledge any validity in the opposing view or recognise that people of good faith can disagree with them.



And write...

SamShark wrote:
No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.


...without a hint of self-awareness as to why it's been impossible to negotiate anything with the EU for the last 3 years!


But we did negotiate, a complete deal was reached. The Brits just can't decide what deal they can approve. They have ten different versions of leave with no group being willing to compromise


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On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate Farage's ability to acknowledge any validity in the opposing view or that people of good faith (ie not the metropolitan elite) can disagree with him ? :lol:




His ability to argue his view was more successful than those who argued against it. Remain had everything going in their favour to win the EU referendum by a landslide. Leave had a red bus.


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ForzaIt wrote:
zzzz wrote:

There is a certain type of Remainer who is completely unable to acknowledge any validity in the opposing view or recognise that people of good faith can disagree with them.



And write...

SamShark wrote:
No wonder people are livid when they were made promise after promise of how we can enable this quick, clean, profitable and patriotic Brexit.


...without a hint of self-awareness as to why it's been impossible to negotiate anything with the EU for the last 3 years!


Is this Toga?


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Eggs and milkshakes don't stop anything though. Farage was back on the streets yesterday. And I didn't agree with it, I just pointed out politicians have had eggs thrown at them for years and it wasn't met with bedwetting telegraph opinion pieces about the end of democracy.
Thomas Mair shot Jo Cox 3 times and stabbed her 15 times. A woman just 5' tall. The apologists draw parallels, if not equivalence, with an egging to Farage. They point out that Thomas Mair (a cult figure for some) was a nutter. Yes, we have nutters in the UK - shock horror. Whilst the nutter was stabbing and shooting he shouted "Britain First!", "this is for Britain!" etc.

Do the apologists submit that those words and Mair's cult status are just one big cosmic coincidence? Or that Mair and his idolisers were tipped over the edge by technical arguments over the sovereignty of a nation state within the EU construct. Or could the inflammatory language of Hitler, Soviet Russia, enslavement, WW2, jackboots etc have had an effect?

If Nigel Farage stopped for any thought following Jo Cox's murder, it is best evidenced by his Campaign having redoubled its social media efforts during the ensuing moratorium on campaigning. Farage appears to have learned no lessons from Cox's murder judging by his subsequent talk of donning khaki, picking up a rifle and returning to the front line.

No one should be assaulted in any way when campaigning. Even hypocrites who would milk a throw of a milkshake for political advantage. Sadly a milkshake thrown probably does create momentary but grave apprehension in a public figure. Farage would do well to contemplate his true part in this.


Who on here has drawn parallels, or equivalence?

I have yet to see any suggestion from Farage of "donning khaki, picking up a rifle and returning to the front line." If he did, I must have missed it.


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