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Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:15 am
by Floppykid
Leffe wrote:From the Guardian:
Interestingly, Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did not have a message either, that was in any recognisable way political: they had stopped talking about immigration, on the basis that it was no longer very salient. They had no concrete agenda for Brexit itself. For sure they had no wider political aim that you could glean from their speeches. Their agenda was pure anti-politics, anti-Westminster, anti-elites, anti-this-lot. Their success is both terrifying and mundane: history is alive with people who swept to power with the single, amorphous promise of destroying institutions. It rarely transmutes afterwards into constructive, pro-social policy.
People keep saying that he's a great politican, I disagree. Getting people to vote for you isn't politics, politics is the bit that you do afterwards. Farage is a kind of Corbyn; he's against stuff but in no way fit to lead anything.
Very good summation of the man.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:17 am
by eldanielfire
nardol wrote:What was the turnout for the EU elections?

All those people that didn't turn up, are they likely to be brexiteers or remainers? Will they show up at a GE or 2nd ref?


The remain / leave split in this election means fup all.
Turnover was 37%..

Remainer areas increased turnout by 5% Brexiter ones an extra 1% since the last EU election. Obsessive Irish commentary up 2000%

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:18 am
by Leffe
Sun Tzu wrote:
nardol wrote:What was the turnout for the EU elections?

All those people that didn't turn up, are they likely to be brexiteers or remainers? Will they show up at a GE or 2nd ref?


The remain / leave split in this election means fup all.
Very likely to be Brexiteers given that they will feel we should not have had another election. Also, worth remembering that EU nationals were allowed to vote in these elections. That will not be allowed to happen in a second referendum.
Really? :roll:

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:18 am
by Sun Tzu


David Winsper
@DavidWinsper
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41m
Replying to
@afneil
In other accounting news....
Commiserations to Man City. Although they won the league, when you add up the points of all the teams who didn't win the league, City actually last and all the teams that lost actually won.
Let's play #Numberwang

:lol:

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:19 am
by Leffe
sewa wrote:
Leffe wrote:
sewa wrote:
backrow wrote:]

No, I’m clear on that - but the EU clearly takes the blame . As you say, our own controlled asylum seeker policy is way too lax, but the Turnstyle day Calais and into Italy for example don’t really help.
Bollocks, utter bollocks. Where do the majority of your immigrants come from? Here is a helpful hint it isn't Calais or Italy.
Calais? How is Calais the problem for Brits? If they were that concerned they'd talk about Dover, where the actual British boarder control is.
Meanwhile since Brexit the Asian / Muslim immigration is way up to replace all the European workers who have stopped coming :lol: :lol:
You couldn't make it up. And Does Farage care? No, the results in reality aren't important to him, only winning and sticking it to the EU.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:20 am
by eldanielfire
Leffe wrote:From the Guardian:
Interestingly, Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did not have a message either, that was in any recognisable way political: they had stopped talking about immigration, on the basis that it was no longer very salient. They had no concrete agenda for Brexit itself. For sure they had no wider political aim that you could glean from their speeches. Their agenda was pure anti-politics, anti-Westminster, anti-elites, anti-this-lot. Their success is both terrifying and mundane: history is alive with people who swept to power with the single, amorphous promise of destroying institutions. It rarely transmutes afterwards into constructive, pro-social policy.
People keep saying that he's a great politican, I disagree. Getting people to vote for you isn't politics, politics is the bit that you do afterwards. Farage is a kind of Corbyn; he's against stuff but in no way fit to lead anything.
Votes is one aspect of politics.

When people say he's a great politician is that from a minor party in a 3 party system he managed to push through the biggest political change in a lifetime without a Westminster seat. That is impressive no matter how much you hate it. No one is claiming he would be a great government minister or anything.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:20 am
by iarmhiman
Yep very clever to compare a sport analogy which is only entertainment to voting which can actually affect peoples daily lives.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:21 am
by Sun Tzu
Leffe wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
nardol wrote:What was the turnout for the EU elections?

All those people that didn't turn up, are they likely to be brexiteers or remainers? Will they show up at a GE or 2nd ref?


The remain / leave split in this election means fup all.
Very likely to be Brexiteers given that they will feel we should not have had another election. Also, worth remembering that EU nationals were allowed to vote in these elections. That will not be allowed to happen in a second referendum.
Really? :roll:
Yes. I understand that there were some small issues but we shouldn't pretend that was the norm throughout the country.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:23 am
by eldanielfire
iarmhiman wrote:Yep very clever to compare a sport analogy which is only entertainment to voting which can actually affect peoples daily lives.
Especially when you simplify it to the point here is no nuance and context.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:23 am
by Sun Tzu
iarmhiman wrote:Yep very clever to compare a sport analogy which is only entertainment to voting which can actually affect peoples daily lives.
"Hello darkness my old friend...."

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:24 am
by Mullet 2
The inability of the Pigdogs to contemplate anything that isn't FPTP is beautiful to watch.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:25 am
by iarmhiman
Folks this is actually a very good debate we're having on here.

Let's treasure it before you know who joins and drags it into the gutter again.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:26 am
by Sun Tzu
Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell
·
9m
About to do
@BBCNews
live on the triumph of the Remain parties in the European elections, why
@Nigel_Farage
is having to force the smile even harder than usual and why
@UKLabour
need to get off the fence and start fighting for what is right for the country
I can see how he managed to convince people to murder 10s of thousands of innocent people on nothing but utter falsehoods given his spin on these results.

This is the man who is the face of the Remain campaign. I think we need a better poster child.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:28 am
by Leffe
eldanielfire wrote:
Leffe wrote:From the Guardian:
Interestingly, Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did not have a message either, that was in any recognisable way political: they had stopped talking about immigration, on the basis that it was no longer very salient. They had no concrete agenda for Brexit itself. For sure they had no wider political aim that you could glean from their speeches. Their agenda was pure anti-politics, anti-Westminster, anti-elites, anti-this-lot. Their success is both terrifying and mundane: history is alive with people who swept to power with the single, amorphous promise of destroying institutions. It rarely transmutes afterwards into constructive, pro-social policy.
People keep saying that he's a great politican, I disagree. Getting people to vote for you isn't politics, politics is the bit that you do afterwards. Farage is a kind of Corbyn; he's against stuff but in no way fit to lead anything.
Votes is one aspect of politics.

When people say he's a great politician is that from a minor party in a 3 party system he managed to push through the biggest political change in a lifetime without a Westminster seat. That is impressive no matter how much you hate it. No one is claiming he would be a great government minister or anything.
Without policies he cannot be considered a politician IMO. It's dangerous to label him as a politican, as he is not. He's never won a domestic election, he's done it via the EU Parliament, which he's used for publicity. He has literally done zero work expected of a politician.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:28 am
by BokJock
Sun Tzu wrote:


David Winsper
@DavidWinsper
·
41m
Replying to
@afneil
In other accounting news....
Commiserations to Man City. Although they won the league, when you add up the points of all the teams who didn't win the league, City actually last and all the teams that lost actually won.
Let's play #Numberwang

:lol:
Makes no sense as an analogy

Try this one Salah (Brexit Party)) scored more goals (votes) this season than Aguero (Lib Dems)

But as a team Manchester City (Remainers) scored more goals (votes) than Liverpool (No Dealers)

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:31 am
by Sun Tzu
BokJock wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:


David Winsper
@DavidWinsper
·
41m
Replying to
@afneil
In other accounting news....
Commiserations to Man City. Although they won the league, when you add up the points of all the teams who didn't win the league, City actually last and all the teams that lost actually won.
Let's play #Numberwang

:lol:
Makes no sense as an analogy

Try this one Salah (Brexit Party)) scored more goals (votes) this season than Aguero (Lib Dems)

But as a team Manchester City (Remainers) scored more goals (votes) than Liverpool (No Dealers)
It makes perfect sense as that is what dullards on our side are unfortunately doing. It is ridiculous and needs to stop.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:33 am
by sewa
Sun Tzu wrote:
Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell
·
9m
About to do
@BBCNews
live on the triumph of the Remain parties in the European elections, why
@Nigel_Farage
is having to force the smile even harder than usual and why
@UKLabour
need to get off the fence and start fighting for what is right for the country
I can see how he managed to convince people to murder 10s of thousands of innocent people on nothing but utter falsehoods given his spin on these results.

This is the man who is the face of the Remain campaign. I think we need a better poster child.
He is the face of the remain campaign? I barely saw him during the debate, Vince Cable however was everywhere

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:33 am
by message #2527204
Mullet 2 wrote:The inability of the Pigdogs to contemplate anything that isn't FPTP is beautiful to watch.
We had a referendum on it not long ago. Contemplated it for months. Rejected it by something like 70% against.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:35 am
by Sun Tzu
sewa wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell
·
9m
About to do
@BBCNews
live on the triumph of the Remain parties in the European elections, why
@Nigel_Farage
is having to force the smile even harder than usual and why
@UKLabour
need to get off the fence and start fighting for what is right for the country
I can see how he managed to convince people to murder 10s of thousands of innocent people on nothing but utter falsehoods given his spin on these results.

This is the man who is the face of the Remain campaign. I think we need a better poster child.
He is the face of the remain campaign? I barely saw him during the debate, Vince Cable however was everywhere
Before I left the country he was everywhere.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:36 am
by Leffe
So record voter turn out in Europe, which would seem to indicate engagement by Europeans in the EU. That's great news!

Also the Greens have now 70 MEP's which is great, so people are starting to get the message about the environment.

The popularist uprising throughout Europe didn't happen either.

:thumbup:

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:37 am
by danny_fitz
Leffe wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Leffe wrote:From the Guardian:
Interestingly, Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did not have a message either, that was in any recognisable way political: they had stopped talking about immigration, on the basis that it was no longer very salient. They had no concrete agenda for Brexit itself. For sure they had no wider political aim that you could glean from their speeches. Their agenda was pure anti-politics, anti-Westminster, anti-elites, anti-this-lot. Their success is both terrifying and mundane: history is alive with people who swept to power with the single, amorphous promise of destroying institutions. It rarely transmutes afterwards into constructive, pro-social policy.
People keep saying that he's a great politican, I disagree. Getting people to vote for you isn't politics, politics is the bit that you do afterwards. Farage is a kind of Corbyn; he's against stuff but in no way fit to lead anything.
Votes is one aspect of politics.

When people say he's a great politician is that from a minor party in a 3 party system he managed to push through the biggest political change in a lifetime without a Westminster seat. That is impressive no matter how much you hate it. No one is claiming he would be a great government minister or anything.
Without policies he cannot be considered a politician IMO. It's dangerous to label him as a politican, as he is not. He's never won a domestic election, he's done it via the EU Parliament, which he's used for publicity. He has literally done zero work expected of a politician.
UKIP gained more votes then the Lib Dems and the Greens combined in the last general election. If we had a PR based electoral system they would potentially be 83 UKIP MPs right now.

UKIP dissolved pretty much the moment Farage left the party and in the space of six months he has grabbed a 30% share of the vote in these elections.

Farage dragged the Tory party to the right and forced a referendum pledge out of Cameron who was trying to stem the flow of voters (and a few MPs) from his party. To say he is not a 'politician' seems increasingly like wishful thinking.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:41 am
by Leffe
danny_fitz wrote:
Leffe wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Leffe wrote:From the Guardian:
Interestingly, Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did not have a message either, that was in any recognisable way political: they had stopped talking about immigration, on the basis that it was no longer very salient. They had no concrete agenda for Brexit itself. For sure they had no wider political aim that you could glean from their speeches. Their agenda was pure anti-politics, anti-Westminster, anti-elites, anti-this-lot. Their success is both terrifying and mundane: history is alive with people who swept to power with the single, amorphous promise of destroying institutions. It rarely transmutes afterwards into constructive, pro-social policy.
People keep saying that he's a great politican, I disagree. Getting people to vote for you isn't politics, politics is the bit that you do afterwards. Farage is a kind of Corbyn; he's against stuff but in no way fit to lead anything.
Votes is one aspect of politics.

When people say he's a great politician is that from a minor party in a 3 party system he managed to push through the biggest political change in a lifetime without a Westminster seat. That is impressive no matter how much you hate it. No one is claiming he would be a great government minister or anything.
Without policies he cannot be considered a politician IMO. It's dangerous to label him as a politican, as he is not. He's never won a domestic election, he's done it via the EU Parliament, which he's used for publicity. He has literally done zero work expected of a politician.
UKIP gained more votes then the Lib Dems and the Greens combined in the last general election. If we had a PR based electoral system they would potentially be 83 UKIP MPs right now.

UKIP dissolved pretty much the moment Farage left the party and in the space of six months he has grabbed a 30% share of the vote in these elections.

Farage dragged the Tory party to the right and forced a referendum pledge out of Cameron who was trying to stem the flow of voters (and a few MPs) from his party. To say he is not a 'politician' seems increasingly like wishful thinking.
I'm going with rabble rouser :lol: . I'm sorry I just do not see him as a politican.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:52 am
by Anonymous 1
message #2527204 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:The inability of the Pigdogs to contemplate anything that isn't FPTP is beautiful to watch.
We had a referendum on it not long ago. Contemplated it for months. Rejected it by something like 70% against.
Mullet is a muppet

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:52 am
by Sun Tzu
Leffe wrote:So record voter turn out in Europe, which would seem to indicate engagement by Europeans in the EU. That's great news!

Also the Greens have now 70 MEP's which is great, so people are starting to get the message about the environment.

The popularist uprising throughout Europe didn't happen either.

:thumbup:
:thumbup:

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:54 am
by happyhooker
Depends how you define politician I suppose. I would define him as more of an activist

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:56 am
by message #2527204
danny_fitz wrote:
Leffe wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Leffe wrote:From the Guardian:
Interestingly, Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did not have a message either, that was in any recognisable way political: they had stopped talking about immigration, on the basis that it was no longer very salient. They had no concrete agenda for Brexit itself. For sure they had no wider political aim that you could glean from their speeches. Their agenda was pure anti-politics, anti-Westminster, anti-elites, anti-this-lot. Their success is both terrifying and mundane: history is alive with people who swept to power with the single, amorphous promise of destroying institutions. It rarely transmutes afterwards into constructive, pro-social policy.
People keep saying that he's a great politican, I disagree. Getting people to vote for you isn't politics, politics is the bit that you do afterwards. Farage is a kind of Corbyn; he's against stuff but in no way fit to lead anything.
Votes is one aspect of politics.

When people say he's a great politician is that from a minor party in a 3 party system he managed to push through the biggest political change in a lifetime without a Westminster seat. That is impressive no matter how much you hate it. No one is claiming he would be a great government minister or anything.
Without policies he cannot be considered a politician IMO. It's dangerous to label him as a politican, as he is not. He's never won a domestic election, he's done it via the EU Parliament, which he's used for publicity. He has literally done zero work expected of a politician.
UKIP gained more votes then the Lib Dems and the Greens combined in the last general election. If we had a PR based electoral system they would potentially be 83 UKIP MPs right now.

UKIP dissolved pretty much the moment Farage left the party and in the space of six months he has grabbed a 30% share of the vote in these elections.

Farage dragged the Tory party to the right and forced a referendum pledge out of Cameron who was trying to stem the flow of voters (and a few MPs) from his party. To say he is not a 'politician' seems increasingly like wishful thinking.
Cameron won his large majority because the kippers split the Labour vote, not the Tory one. It's not a simple right wing/left wing issue.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:58 am
by Leffe
happyhooker wrote:Depends how you define politician I suppose. I would define him as more of an activist
I could live with that. He's political, but then again people on this thread are political; it doesn't make us politicians. Yes, activist and a very very effective one.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:00 am
by Plato'sCave
Sun Tzu wrote:
nardol wrote:What was the turnout for the EU elections?

All those people that didn't turn up, are they likely to be brexiteers or remainers? Will they show up at a GE or 2nd ref?


The remain / leave split in this election means fup all.
Very likely to be Brexiteers given that they will feel we should not have had another election. Also, worth remembering that EU nationals were allowed to vote in these elections. That will not be allowed to happen in a second referendum.
Source? Evidence? Or I’m calling bullshit here.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:04 am
by Dobbin
I'm a leaver and didn't vote but no-one can claim to know the identity of the 49% who didn't bother. Possibly lots of the young people whose future is being taken away from them by despicable oldies.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:09 am
by sewa
Dobbin wrote:I'm a leaver and didn't vote but no-one can claim to know the identity of the 49% who didn't bother. Possibly lots of the young people whose future is being taken away from them by despicable oldies.
Agreed, I don't buy this line that everyone should be encouraged to vote either. If people can't be arsed reading the newspapers, watching the debates etc I'd rather they didn't randomly tick the boxes

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:13 am
by bimboman
sewa wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell
·
9m
About to do
@BBCNews
live on the triumph of the Remain parties in the European elections, why
@Nigel_Farage
is having to force the smile even harder than usual and why
@UKLabour
need to get off the fence and start fighting for what is right for the country
I can see how he managed to convince people to murder 10s of thousands of innocent people on nothing but utter falsehoods given his spin on these results.

This is the man who is the face of the Remain campaign. I think we need a better poster child.
He is the face of the remain campaign? I barely saw him during the debate, Vince Cable however was everywhere

Vince “return the the average” cable.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:13 am
by eldanielfire
Leffe wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Leffe wrote:From the Guardian:
Interestingly, Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did not have a message either, that was in any recognisable way political: they had stopped talking about immigration, on the basis that it was no longer very salient. They had no concrete agenda for Brexit itself. For sure they had no wider political aim that you could glean from their speeches. Their agenda was pure anti-politics, anti-Westminster, anti-elites, anti-this-lot. Their success is both terrifying and mundane: history is alive with people who swept to power with the single, amorphous promise of destroying institutions. It rarely transmutes afterwards into constructive, pro-social policy.
People keep saying that he's a great politican, I disagree. Getting people to vote for you isn't politics, politics is the bit that you do afterwards. Farage is a kind of Corbyn; he's against stuff but in no way fit to lead anything.
Votes is one aspect of politics.

When people say he's a great politician is that from a minor party in a 3 party system he managed to push through the biggest political change in a lifetime without a Westminster seat. That is impressive no matter how much you hate it. No one is claiming he would be a great government minister or anything.
Without policies he cannot be considered a politician IMO. It's dangerous to label him as a politican, as he is not. He's never won a domestic election, he's done it via the EU Parliament, which he's used for publicity. He has literally done zero work expected of a politician.
But none of that disqualifies him from being an effective politician. What he has failed at is being an MP, we still regard all MEPs as politicians, not making it domestically doesn't mean his not a politician, even a one policy one.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:15 am
by openclashXX
Has Farage declared yet which EU Parliament grouping he's going to affiliate with?

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:16 am
by Lemoentjie
How can the UK still not have proportional representation?

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:17 am
by grimoald
message #2527204 wrote:Cameron won his large majority because the kippers split the Labour vote, not the Tory one. It's not a simple right wing/left wing issue.
That's not the whole story, the Tory vote share barely rose from 2010.

He won because they stopped the bleed to UKIP with the referendum pledge, there was very effective campaigning around the Lab/SNP coalition, and the smaller parties cannibalised each other in marginals.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:17 am
by Lemoentjie
backrow wrote:So, just 40% of the votes were for anti brexit parties - kind of makes a second referendum a complete waste of time imho

Corbyn claims to want a GE but he wouldn’t be the opposition if this voting pattern was repeated !

Oh, and I reject a posters comment that ‘the U.K. people don’t want to compromise’ - they view Barnier and junker et al as being the ones offering nothing. Reality is that the 4th pillar about open borders and freedom of movement is the killer, brexit voters don’t care about the rules and regs, they are just fed up with immigrants of all colours and swimming pool habits waltzing in.
:lol: :lol: I can't work out if that's worse than the Chinese doing shits in public or not

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:18 am
by grimoald
sewa wrote:
Dobbin wrote:I'm a leaver and didn't vote but no-one can claim to know the identity of the 49% who didn't bother. Possibly lots of the young people whose future is being taken away from them by despicable oldies.
Agreed, I don't buy this line that everyone should be encouraged to vote either. If people can't be arsed reading the newspapers, watching the debates etc I'd rather they didn't randomly tick the boxes
While people who don't vote are more likely to be engaged, voting doesn't prove that an individual has been paying attention to anything, let alone doing so intelligently and critically.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:18 am
by bimboman
Leffe wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Leffe wrote:From the Guardian:
Interestingly, Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did not have a message either, that was in any recognisable way political: they had stopped talking about immigration, on the basis that it was no longer very salient. They had no concrete agenda for Brexit itself. For sure they had no wider political aim that you could glean from their speeches. Their agenda was pure anti-politics, anti-Westminster, anti-elites, anti-this-lot. Their success is both terrifying and mundane: history is alive with people who swept to power with the single, amorphous promise of destroying institutions. It rarely transmutes afterwards into constructive, pro-social policy.
People keep saying that he's a great politican, I disagree. Getting people to vote for you isn't politics, politics is the bit that you do afterwards. Farage is a kind of Corbyn; he's against stuff but in no way fit to lead anything.
Votes is one aspect of politics.

When people say he's a great politician is that from a minor party in a 3 party system he managed to push through the biggest political change in a lifetime without a Westminster seat. That is impressive no matter how much you hate it. No one is claiming he would be a great government minister or anything.
Without policies he cannot be considered a politician IMO. It's dangerous to label him as a politican, as he is not. He's never won a domestic election, he's done it via the EU Parliament, which he's used for publicity. He has literally done zero work expected of a politician.

He has currently dismantled the two party system ..... he’s untrusted by the public but still takes their votes. He’s the politician of a generation .

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:18 am
by iarmhiman
openclashXX wrote:Has Farage declared yet which EU Parliament grouping he's going to affiliate with?
It will be the EFDD which are populist section grouping.

Re: Brexit, going going.....errr gone after the EU elections

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:20 am
by iarmhiman
Let's see can he do it in a GE.

I'm not sure voters are brave enough to vote for his party in a GE.