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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:42 pm 
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“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” - Juncker


Since when has been wrong to love your country?




EU Federalism.

You can add that to the earlier request asking what was beneficial about leaving the EU.


I got it wrong about a federalism post.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:44 pm 
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https://mobile.twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1131470647463428096



“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” - Juncker


Since when has been wrong to love your country?


We have kind of been over this. It's not wrong per se, it is a bit stupid.


I may have missed that. Why is it stupid?




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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:49 pm 
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I had no idea we weren't allowed to trade with anyone else apart from the EU.

Maybe I should have voted leave.



We keep being told that trade with the EU after Brexit won't happen either.


That's not true.

Talk of "friction-less" trade has largely been dropped though and it's now acknowledged we will make life more complicated and costly for our businesses.



If the UK gets a FTA with the EU within a decade along with a FTA with USA, India, Japan, and China then in 20 years we'll be quids in.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're a moron. Also, I thought you said that you was Italian?


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:50 pm 
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Well this synopsis is your opinion.

But how do you aim to become more relevant by leaving the EU?



The UK has a well established history of technological development and is ahead of the rest of the EU in this regard already. It is a new world where economies need to be able to react far faster to innovation and change than will ever be achievable within the glacial corridors of the EU. The EU is a model that is becoming obsolete.


You area good laugh, I'll give you that.

The UK left WWII as a tech leader, that's true. It could have had it's own telecoms electronic industry if it hadn't squandered it in the Thatcher years, but it did.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:53 pm 
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Mick Mannock wrote:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1131470647463428096



“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” - Juncker


Since when has been wrong to love your country?

I love my wife, but how do you even love a country? How does that notion even exist? It's nonsensical.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:54 pm 
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Genuine question: How is the EU holding back the UK's tech industries, and why do the UK's tech industries seem very anti Brexit?



It can't get a deal done with the US and China - and likely never will.

James Dyson probably counts as a tech industry business leader.

HQ'd in Singapore nowadays... since Brexit at least.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:55 pm 
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Leffe wrote:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1131470647463428096



“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” - Juncker


Since when has been wrong to love your country?

I love my wife, but how do you even love a country? How does that notion even exist? It's nonsensical.


I have more love to go round than you.


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Leffe wrote:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1131470647463428096



“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” - Juncker


Since when has been wrong to love your country?

I love my wife, but how do you even love a country? How does that notion even exist? It's nonsensical.


I f**king love Ireland


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:55 pm 
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Her Majesty repping Brexit Party colours today :P Hope there were no milkshake-wielding remoans skulking around.

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She’s a remainer.



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/the-queens-st ... b7UePtIDOY


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:55 pm 
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DragonKhan wrote:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1131470647463428096



“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” - Juncker


Since when has been wrong to love your country?

I love my wife, but how do you even love a country? How does that notion even exist? It's nonsensical.


I f**king love Ireland


And quite right too.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:57 pm 
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ForzaIt wrote:
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Well this synopsis is your opinion.

But how do you aim to become more relevant by leaving the EU?



The UK has a well established history of technological development and is ahead of the rest of the EU in this regard already. It is a new world where economies need to be able to react far faster to innovation and change than will ever be achievable within the glacial corridors of the EU. The EU is a model that is becoming obsolete.

If the UK is the EU's number one tech country. Surely access to the largest free trade zone on the planet would be of benefit... to the sales of said tech?

You wanted income from abroad, well there it is: all those Frenchies, Germans, Dutch etc... buying British tech, without the cost of a import duty.

You've just reduced the ability of British tech to sell in the EU; perhaps that's why all most British business leders oppose Briexit?


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:58 pm 
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Those debts will impact us all no matter of EU membership; [b]they're not EU owned banks.

[/b]

Are you taking the piss?


No. It's a banking problem. An issue of banks owing each other more than they can pay. It's a banking problem.

What does "the EU has no new money even mean"? They just signed a trade deal with Japan, is that not the opportunity for EU companies to expand their markets?

Again, what does that actually mean?



Yes it is a banking problem - a Eurozone EU banking problem and it's a complete house of cards. French and German banks are teetering, they are saddled with huge quantities of non-performing loans.

Any bank, regardless of them being hosted in the EU or not, will be in trouble if they are not paid you utter mong. It is independent of the EU.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:59 pm 
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Mick Mannock wrote:
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bimboman wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1131470647463428096



“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” - Juncker


Since when has been wrong to love your country?

I love my wife, but how do you even love a country? How does that notion even exist? It's nonsensical.


I have more love to go round than you.

You have a strange notion of what love actually is.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:59 pm 
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I had no idea we weren't allowed to trade with anyone else apart from the EU.

Maybe I should have voted leave.



We keep being told that trade with the EU after Brexit won't happen either.


That's not true.

Talk of "friction-less" trade has largely been dropped though and it's now acknowledged we will make life more complicated and costly for our businesses.



If the UK gets a FTA with the EU within a decade along with a FTA with USA, India, Japan, and China then in 20 years we'll be quids in.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're a moron. Also, I thought you said that you was Italian?


Meh, Toga proudly wears the English flag on his shoulders.


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DragonKhan wrote:
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ForzaIt wrote:
bimboman wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1131470647463428096



“These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries,” - Juncker


Since when has been wrong to love your country?

I love my wife, but how do you even love a country? How does that notion even exist? It's nonsensical.


I f**king love Ireland

The physical act of coitus?


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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:03 pm 
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:07 pm 
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.


Please explain. I have 20 minutes to kill.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:09 pm 
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.


Please explain. I have 20 minutes to kill.


Leffe wrote that when fascism comes to America (by which he acknowledges that it has not arrived), it will be wrapped in the American flag. I simply pointed out that these sort of 6th form sound-bites are contradicted by the fascist flags of Germany, Italy, Spain, and Portugal.

You do not need 20 minutes.

If he had written "when fascism comes to America, there may be a new flag to include fascist iconography" it would have made sense.


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Leffe wrote:
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Those debts will impact us all no matter of EU membership; [b]they're not EU owned banks.

[/b]

Are you taking the piss?


No. It's a banking problem. An issue of banks owing each other more than they can pay. It's a banking problem.

What does "the EU has no new money even mean"? They just signed a trade deal with Japan, is that not the opportunity for EU companies to expand their markets?

Again, what does that actually mean?



Yes it is a banking problem - a Eurozone EU banking problem and it's a complete house of cards. French and German banks are teetering, they are saddled with huge quantities of non-performing loans.

Any bank, regardless of them being hosted in the EU or not, will be in trouble if they are not paid you utter mong. It is independent of the EU.




What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


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I see. That's not helping me killing time at all though.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:14 pm 
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I see. That's not helping killing time at all though.


Shoot some small birds.

Or start reading Shadow of The Wind if you have never done so.

Or listen to the first side of Louis & Ella


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Leffe wrote:
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I had no idea we weren't allowed to trade with anyone else apart from the EU.

Maybe I should have voted leave.



We keep being told that trade with the EU after Brexit won't happen either.


That's not true.

Talk of "friction-less" trade has largely been dropped though and it's now acknowledged we will make life more complicated and costly for our businesses.



If the UK gets a FTA with the EU within a decade along with a FTA with USA, India, Japan, and China then in 20 years we'll be quids in.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're a moron. Also, I thought you said that you was Italian?



It was tongue in cheek, don't get too worked up.

Sono Italiano.


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What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


Good point. The 2008 financial crisis started in the US and did not affect European banks at all.


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What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


Good point. The 2008 financial crisis started in the US and did not affect European banks at all.


Er...what?


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:18 pm 
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What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


Good point. The 2008 financial crisis started in the US and did not affect European banks at all.


Er...what?


You need to follow Toga's logic, not mine.


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Any bank, regardless of them being hosted in the EU or not, will be in trouble if they are not paid you utter mong. It is independent of the EU



Not with the current ECB set up they’re not.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:20 pm 
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La soule wrote:
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What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


Good point. The 2008 financial crisis started in the US and did not affect European banks at all.


Er...what?


You need to follow Toga's logic, not mine.


You have lost me now. I take it you do actually accept European banks were effected.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:21 pm 
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Mick Mannock wrote:
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What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


Good point. The 2008 financial crisis started in the US and did not affect European banks at all.


Er...what?


You need to follow Toga's logic, not mine.


You have lost me now. I take it you do actually accept European banks were effected.


Of course.

It was sarcasm.


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:thumbup:

Sarcasm often leads to misunderstandings. I have fallen foul myself.

Anyway, the first side of Ella & Louis will kill those 20 minutes.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:24 pm 
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What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


Good point. The 2008 financial crisis started in the US and did not affect European banks at all.



Interesting read;

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Here’s the problem that’s brewing. Germany and the other northern countries, but especially Germany, have prospered tremendously under the euro regime.

If the eurozone were to break up, German GDP would simply fall out of bed. Half its economy is comprised of exports. Further, the new German currency would get stronger which would even put more pressure on German exports.

The Italians have no solution for their debt. Greece has been in a seven-year depression. And while some of the other countries are improving, unemployment rates in most of Europe are still lackluster to say the least. Think about this: one in three Italian youth are unemployed.

And the further south you get, the higher the unemployment rate goes. That’s the Five-Star Movement’s base. The other part of the new majority is now called the League (formerly the Northern League) and is powerful in the low unemployment manufacturing regions of northern Italy.

This is why crazy measures as the proposed parallel currency in Italy are a real possibility.

The southern portion of the country wants to see more spending and the northern portion would like to ease out of the euro. Politics makes extraordinarily strange bedfellows in Italy.

It’s not quite as outlandish as President Trump and Bernie Sanders forming a coalition government, but it was unthinkable just a year ago.

Germany and the rest of the export driven countries need to stay in the euro in order for their economies to grow and prosper. The southern countries need to figure out how to deal with their debt. Italy is around 135% of debt-to-GDP today.

I still think the most probable scenario is that Germany and the Netherlands reluctantly agree to let the European Central Bank mutualize all the sovereign debt, taking onto their balance sheet and issuing new ECB-backed debt for the entire zone.

There would have to be serious constraints on running deficits after that point, but it would prevent a breakup, or at least delay it for another decade or so. Kind of the ultimate kicking the can down the road.



This is the EU people want to remain within. It is farked.


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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.


Please explain. I have 20 minutes to kill.



I think he actually, genuinely, doesn't know what the German flag was under Facism.


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What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


Good point. The 2008 financial crisis started in the US and did not affect European banks at all.



Interesting read;

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Here’s the problem that’s brewing. Germany and the other northern countries, but especially Germany, have prospered tremendously under the euro regime.

If the eurozone were to break up, German GDP would simply fall out of bed. Half its economy is comprised of exports. Further, the new German currency would get stronger which would even put more pressure on German exports.

The Italians have no solution for their debt. Greece has been in a seven-year depression. And while some of the other countries are improving, unemployment rates in most of Europe are still lackluster to say the least. Think about this: one in three Italian youth are unemployed.

And the further south you get, the higher the unemployment rate goes. That’s the Five-Star Movement’s base. The other part of the new majority is now called the League (formerly the Northern League) and is powerful in the low unemployment manufacturing regions of northern Italy.

This is why crazy measures as the proposed parallel currency in Italy are a real possibility.

The southern portion of the country wants to see more spending and the northern portion would like to ease out of the euro. Politics makes extraordinarily strange bedfellows in Italy.

It’s not quite as outlandish as President Trump and Bernie Sanders forming a coalition government, but it was unthinkable just a year ago.

Germany and the rest of the export driven countries need to stay in the euro in order for their economies to grow and prosper. The southern countries need to figure out how to deal with their debt. Italy is around 135% of debt-to-GDP today.

I still think the most probable scenario is that Germany and the Netherlands reluctantly agree to let the European Central Bank mutualize all the sovereign debt, taking onto their balance sheet and issuing new ECB-backed debt for the entire zone.

There would have to be serious constraints on running deficits after that point, but it would prevent a breakup, or at least delay it for another decade or so. Kind of the ultimate kicking the can down the road.



This is the EU people want to remain within. It is farked.


Include the link https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldi ... u-breakup/


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Mick Mannock wrote:
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.

It's a metaphor Mick, therefore I understand your confusion.


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What part of French and German banks didn't you understand?


Good point. The 2008 financial crisis started in the US and did not affect European banks at all.


Er...what?


You need to follow Toga's logic, not mine.


You have lost me now. I take it you do actually accept European banks were effected.

That's the point!!!


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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.


German fascism not wrapped in a German flag ?
A pole or frenchy or Belgian or norsk etc type might have said different in 1940-41


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That's the point!!!



Quite a good one, the Fed decided the cost and who survived the crash in the US, how will the ECB achieve this.


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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.


German fascism not wrapped in a German flag ?
A pole or frenchy or Belgian or norsk etc type might have said different in 1940-41


I think the point was that it was a taylored made flag for the party.

But it is still a flag indeed.


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That's the point!!!



Quite a good one, the Fed decided the cost and who survived the crash in the US, how will the ECB achieve this.

Whoosh!


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