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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:59 pm 
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.

It's a metaphor Mick, therefore I understand your confusion.


It is something you read and thought was clever.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.

It's a metaphor Mick, therefore I understand your confusion.


It is something you read and thought was clever.

He says, wrapped in his flag.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:00 pm 
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That's the point!!!



Quite a good one, the Fed decided the cost and who survived the crash in the US, how will the ECB achieve this.

Whoosh!



No, it’s a serious point actually. Any crisis and the nationalism we see rising now will be a tea party.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:01 pm 
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Leffe wrote:
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Leffe wrote:
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.

It's a metaphor Mick, therefore I understand your confusion.


It is something you read and thought was clever.

He says, wrapped in his flag.


You are not keen on flags?


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:02 pm 
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You are not keen on flags?

I'm not in love with a country if that's your question.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:04 pm 
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Leffe wrote:
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You are not keen on flags?

I'm not in love with a country if that's your question.


It wasn't. It was about flags.


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bimboman wrote:
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That's the point!!!



Quite a good one, the Fed decided the cost and who survived the crash in the US, how will the ECB achieve this.

Whoosh!



No, it’s a serious point actually. Any crisis and the nationalism we see rising now will be a tea party.

This is now one of your great tangents!

We were talking about debt conflagation not being dependent upon EU membership. Hence a poster making a point by raising the 2008 crisis starting outside the EU but impacting the inside of the EU.

Buy ja, tea parties.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:07 pm 
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Mick Mannock wrote:
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You are not keen on flags?

I'm not in love with a country if that's your question.


It wasn't. It was about flags.

I'd say I'm neutral, on flags. They're OK as a means of identifying a political or geographic entity, in non-alpha/numeric terms.


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Leffe wrote:
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You are not keen on flags?

I'm not in love with a country if that's your question.


It wasn't. It was about flags.

I'd say I'm neutral, on flags. They're OK as a means of identifying a political or geographic entity, in non-alpha/numeric terms.


Seems reasonable.


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Has the predicted decline of Sterling finally started ?

Yesterday was its 13th day of decline against the Euro. A record since the Euro was launched 20 yrs ago.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0 ... movements/


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It has declined


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La soule wrote:
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.


German fascism not wrapped in a German flag ?
A pole or frenchy or Belgian or norsk etc type might have said different in 1940-41


I think the point was that it was a taylored made flag for the party.

But it is still a flag indeed.


And while the Facists were in power it was the official German Flag


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So Boris summonsed to court for lying on the bus and Corbyn saying get ready for a GE. Looks like it all hasn't even kicked off yet.


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Government facing calls to launch inquiry into registration EU citizens. Lawyers say there are multiple breaches of EU law and group action possible. Tower Hamlets apologise to German duo. Electoral Commission to launch review of what happened


Electoral Commission blaming secrecy over whether elections would take place.

Not an acceptable excuse IMO, even if I agree it was no doubt unhelpful.

This could run and run, not because in isolation it's the worst thing that's ever happened, but because it's yet another thing that's happened in this divisive, incompetent, pointless Brexit shit show.

No doubt the people crying over milkshake will not have a problem with this - that's the nature of Brexit - bitter division about everything and the prize at the end of it all; fudge all.


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So Boris summonsed to court for lying on the bus and Corbyn saying get ready for a GE. Looks like it all hasn't even kicked off yet.


Did those climate protesters get summonsed for standing on a train?


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Government facing calls to launch inquiry into registration EU citizens. Lawyers say there are multiple breaches of EU law and group action possible. Tower Hamlets apologise to German duo. Electoral Commission to launch review of what happened


Electoral Commission blaming secrecy over whether elections would take place.

Not an acceptable excuse IMO, even if I agree it was no doubt unhelpful.

This could run and run, not because in isolation it's the worst thing that's ever happened, but because it's yet another thing that's happened in this divisive, incompetent, pointless Brexit shit show.

No doubt the people crying over milkshake will not have a problem with this - that's the nature of Brexit - bitter division about everything and the prize at the end of it all; fudge all.



I notice our democracy loving brexiteers are silent on this, except to imply that none of them registered properly.


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Government facing calls to launch inquiry into registration EU citizens. Lawyers say there are multiple breaches of EU law and group action possible. Tower Hamlets apologise to German duo. Electoral Commission to launch review of what happened


Electoral Commission blaming secrecy over whether elections would take place.

Not an acceptable excuse IMO, even if I agree it was no doubt unhelpful.

This could run and run, not because in isolation it's the worst thing that's ever happened, but because it's yet another thing that's happened in this divisive, incompetent, pointless Brexit shit show.

No doubt the people crying over milkshake will not have a problem with this - that's the nature of Brexit - bitter division about everything and the prize at the end of it all; fudge all.



I notice our democracy loving brexiteers are silent on this, except to imply that none of them registered properly.

Perhaps they didn't.
I did , so I was able to vote.


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MrJonno wrote:
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Government facing calls to launch inquiry into registration EU citizens. Lawyers say there are multiple breaches of EU law and group action possible. Tower Hamlets apologise to German duo. Electoral Commission to launch review of what happened


Electoral Commission blaming secrecy over whether elections would take place.

Not an acceptable excuse IMO, even if I agree it was no doubt unhelpful.

This could run and run, not because in isolation it's the worst thing that's ever happened, but because it's yet another thing that's happened in this divisive, incompetent, pointless Brexit shit show.

No doubt the people crying over milkshake will not have a problem with this - that's the nature of Brexit - bitter division about everything and the prize at the end of it all; fudge all.



I notice our democracy loving brexiteers are silent on this, except to imply that none of them registered properly.


Just the latest in a series

No deal = fine, democracy in action

Electoral law breaking = not a problem

Vote to have a final say on the deal = treachery


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MrJonno wrote:
La soule wrote:
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Mick Mannock wrote:
Leffe wrote:
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.


German fascism was not wrapped in the German flag. Nor was the Italian. Nor Spain. Nor Portugal.


German fascism not wrapped in a German flag ?
A pole or frenchy or Belgian or norsk etc type might have said different in 1940-41


I think the point was that it was a taylored made flag for the party.

But it is still a flag indeed.


And while the Facists were in power it was the official German Flag


Yes, indeed.


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Go after the local councils if they have messed up the voter registration.
And stop whining if you did not complete the documentation.


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)


Someone has broken the law in that case


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Has the predicted decline of Sterling finally started ?

Yesterday was its 13th day of decline against the Euro. A record since the Euro was launched 20 yrs ago.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0 ... movements/



When this reverses it’ll be fun.


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)


Someone has broken the law in that case

Seriously wtf? :uhoh:


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)



You got a link, we covered this earlier and Wilders party support has just shifted to a new right wing party.


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So Boris summonsed to court for lying on the bus and Corbyn saying get ready for a GE. Looks like it all hasn't even kicked off yet.



Anyone can bring a court case against anyone , who’s financing the Boris case? And Corbyn said he’d be prime minister last year too.


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)


Someone has broken the law in that case

Seriously wtf? :uhoh:


Did you not know it is illegal to publish an exit poll whilst voting is still taking place? Not all EU countries are even voting today. The elections have not closed.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:57 pm 
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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)



You got a link, we covered this earlier and Wilders party support has just shifted to a new right wing party.


Express has covered this just now. Trouble ahead for them.


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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)



You got a link, we covered this earlier and Wilders party support has just shifted to a new right wing party.


Fair enough didn't realise that.

If the FvD are far right, then they have stayed the same


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SamShark wrote:
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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)



You got a link, we covered this earlier and Wilders party support has just shifted to a new right wing party.


Fair enough didn't realise that.

If the FvD are far right, then they have stayed the same


I think the new party may have taken a kicking too.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)



You got a link, we covered this earlier and Wilders party support has just shifted to a new right wing party.


Fair enough didn't realise that.

If the FvD are far right, then they have stayed the same


I think the new party may have taken a kicking too.



Go Dutchies.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)


Someone has broken the law in that case

Seriously wtf? :uhoh:


Did you not know it is illegal to publish an exit poll whilst voting is still taking place? Not all EU countries are even voting today. The elections have not closed.


https://www.inbrief.co.uk/media-law/pub ... polls-law/

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What is the reasoning behind laws restricting the publication of exit polls?
The publication of such predictions before polls close could arguably affect the election results by influencing those yet to vote. Voters could alter their initial voting intention after hearing that a particular party or candidate has the majority according to the exit polls. Alternatively, a voter may decide not to vote at all because the candidate or party they would have chosen is winning, according to the exit polls, or because their candidate or party does not seem to need any further votes to win.

Laws have been put in place to prevent such potential contamination of the democratic process of electing Members of Parliament or members of local councils.

What does the law actually state on the publication of exit polls?
Section 66A of the Representation of the People Act 1983 (as amended) makes it a criminal offence ‘to publish, before a poll is closed, any statement about the way in which voters have voted in that election, where this statement is, or might reasonably be taken to be, based on information given by voters after they voted’.

It is also an offence under the Act ‘to publish, before a poll is closed, any forecast – including any estimate – of that election result, if the forecast is based on exit poll information from voters, or which might reasonably be taken to be based on it’.

These laws apply to both parliamentary and local elections, elections to the Welsh Assembly and by-elections. The Act applies to exit polls focusing on voting in a particular constituency or ward and to voting patterns nationally. The publication of exit polls is also prohibited during voting for European Parliamentary elections.


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Mick Mannock wrote:
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In rare good news the Dutch have rejected their far right party after it gained significant success in the previous 2 Euro elections (if exit polls are to be believed)


Someone has broken the law in that case

Seriously wtf? :uhoh:


Did you not know it is illegal to publish an exit poll whilst voting is still taking place? Not all EU countries are even voting today. The elections have not closed.

That's what I was questioning it, as all the countries need to have voted before these polls from reputable sources come out.
Not a slight on your post, I was actually agreeing with you.


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I cant remember where I read this but it's just UK law - I think about 11 EU nations publish exit polls


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Cant find where I read it.

Apparently the UK wouldn't even promote the dutch poll.

Exit polls are OK in general - just not results.


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I cant remember where I read this but it's just UK law - I think about 11 EU nations publish exit polls


No idea. However, The Express should not be doing this.

It certainly should be the case for all nations IMO.


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I cant remember where I read this but it's just UK law - I think about 11 EU nations publish exit polls


No idea. However, The Express should not be doing this.

It certainly should be the case for all nations IMO.


I think it might be broadcast media that cant mention in the UK


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SamShark wrote:
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I cant remember where I read this but it's just UK law - I think about 11 EU nations publish exit polls


No idea. However, The Express should not be doing this.

It certainly should be the case for all nations IMO.


I think it might be broadcast media that cant mention in the UK


Broadcast media certainly cannot, that is true.


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All this talk of flags has given me an Eddie Izzard earworm.


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All this talk of flags has given me an Eddie Izzard earworm.


Avoid Eddie Izzard at all costs.


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