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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:26 pm 
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Whether or not a referendum is legally binding depends on the legislation used to set it up. The Act can specify precisely what happens as a result of the referendum, or it can specify nothing. If the former the referendum is legally binding. If the latter it is not.


And the parliament of the day would be tied to that act? How about this act?

European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:27 pm 
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Headline news today was that Boris was confronted by a heckler at a hospital visit today.


Here’s the member of the public.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OmarSalem/st ... 0117945345


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:32 pm 
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Headline news today was that Boris was confronted by a heckler at a hospital visit today.


Here’s the member of the public.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OmarSalem/st ... 0117945345

His child is a patient.
Whether he's left, right or centre, he's not wrong about the NHS


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:34 pm 
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SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Headline news today was that Boris was confronted by a heckler at a hospital visit today.


Here’s the member of the public.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OmarSalem/st ... 0117945345

His child is a patient.
Whether he's left, right or centre, he's not wrong about the NHS



You’re right the NHS can be shite, but money isn’t the problem.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:36 pm 
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bimboman wrote:
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bimboman wrote:
Headline news today was that Boris was confronted by a heckler at a hospital visit today.


Here’s the member of the public.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OmarSalem/st ... 0117945345

His child is a patient.
Whether he's left, right or centre, he's not wrong about the NHS



You’re right the NHS can be shite, but money isn’t the problem.

And now you're an expert in healthcare funding, hospital logistics etc...

:thumbup:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:40 pm 
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Mahoney wrote:
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Whether or not a referendum is legally binding depends on the legislation used to set it up. The Act can specify precisely what happens as a result of the referendum, or it can specify nothing. If the former the referendum is legally binding. If the latter it is not.


Not quite true, as Parliament could subsequently pass a further action of legislation nullifying the referendum legislation. There is no such thing as a completely binding referendum under the UK system. This is because Parliament is sovereign

But this is trivially true of all legislation - of course it ceases to be binding if Parliament repeals it!

Yes, Parliament can change laws. Until it does the law applies, and is thus legally binding.


OK.

So parliament is sovereign.

The people voted in a non-binding referendum.

Parliament then voted through legislation to leave, rendering the outcome of the referendum completely irrelevant.

That legislation has been amended, and people now want it to be repealed so that the people can vote in another referendum, which will this time be binding.

But there's no such thing as legally binding on sovereign parliament.

I wonder why there is a reluctance from the winners of the last referendum to hold another one.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:41 pm 
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RodneyRegis wrote:
Mahoney wrote:
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Mahoney wrote:
Whether or not a referendum is legally binding depends on the legislation used to set it up. The Act can specify precisely what happens as a result of the referendum, or it can specify nothing. If the former the referendum is legally binding. If the latter it is not.


Not quite true, as Parliament could subsequently pass a further action of legislation nullifying the referendum legislation. There is no such thing as a completely binding referendum under the UK system. This is because Parliament is sovereign

But this is trivially true of all legislation - of course it ceases to be binding if Parliament repeals it!

Yes, Parliament can change laws. Until it does the law applies, and is thus legally binding.


OK.

So parliament is sovereign.

The people voted in a non-binding referendum.

Parliament then voted through legislation to leave, rendering the outcome of the referendum completely irrelevant.

That legislation has been amended, and people now want it to be repealed so that the people can vote in another referendum, which will this time be binding.

But there's no such thing as legally binding on sovereign parliament.

I wonder why there is a reluctance from the winners of the last referendum to hold another one.


Why worry? Why would the result be any different?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:46 pm 
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/18/polish-ambassador-urges-poles-to-seriously-consider-leaving-uk

Arkady Rzegocki voices concerns over settled status application process

Poland’s ambassador to the UK has written to 800,000 Poles advising them to “seriously consider” returning home, and expressed concern about the application process for getting settled status in the UK after Brexit.

Arkady Rzegocki said that while the process was straightforward, he was concerned. “Forty-two per cent of EU citizens who have had applied to achieve settled status have had problems. Many have received pre-settled status,” he said on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

He said many Polish people did not realise they had to register as they have lived here for many years. “Even if they have resident status, they still have to register,” he said.
“There are quite a lot of problems with people trying to receive settled status. People who have been here five or 10 years have also had problems.”

The Polish ambassador earlier wrote to Poles encouraging them to “seriously consider the possibility of returning to their homeland” post-Brexit. Rzegocki, who has represented Warsaw in the UK since 2016, said Poland “regrets” Britain’s departure from the bloc, scheduled for 31 October.

Office for National Statistics data shows about 832,000 people born in Poland were resident in the UK in 2018. Rzegocki wrote that only 27% of Poles living in the UK had submitted an application for settled status, saying this was an “alarmingly low level”.

He said: “I also encourage you to seriously consider the possibility of returning to your homeland. The rapidly growing economy of our country creates more and more opportunities for citizens for development and good living conditions in the country.

“I also encourage you to seriously consider the possibility of returning to your homeland. The rapidly growing economy of our country creates more and more opportunities for citizens for development and good living conditions in the country.

“Soon, Great Britain, which has been home to thousands of Poles for generations, will most likely cease to be a member of the European Union – which we regret, but we also see this process as an opportunity to strengthen the bond between our two countries.”

On Wednesday, speaking on the Today programme, Rzegocki said: “Poland and the Polish economy is growing, life standards are improving – they are much different compared with five to 10 years ago. I think it is a very good opportunity to come back to Poland. I think you can achieve your goals in both Britain and Poland.”

He said that while there was still time to apply to the settled status scheme, he expected those who wanted to would have already done so, adding: “On one hand there is still a lot of time to apply, on the other hand because of Brexit it is better to achieve settled status soon.”

When questioned on how many Poles may choose to return home, Rzegocki said: “It is difficult to predict. Last year, 116,000 left the country. There are still about a million here but you can see there is a discussion being had. We are doing the best to keep our relationship as close as possible as there is a long friendship between our countries.”


As long as there are toilets to clean and cold shifts in a Chilled food warehouse to fill, then the Poles will be safe in the U.K.


Why have only a quarter registered?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:49 pm 
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Leffe wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Headline news today was that Boris was confronted by a heckler at a hospital visit today.


Here’s the member of the public.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OmarSalem/st ... 0117945345

His child is a patient.
Whether he's left, right or centre, he's not wrong about the NHS



You’re right the NHS can be shite, but money isn’t the problem.

And now you're an expert in healthcare funding, hospital logistics etc...

:thumbup:



I’ve claimed no expertise, I’ve given an opinion, same as the leftie activist berating Boris , his opinions made headline news.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:50 pm 
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https://www.ft.com/content/723ac4ce-d973-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17?emailId=5d80d4b65036a90004c4606e&segmentId=488e9a50-190e-700c-cc1c-6a339da99cab

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EU officials also described a lunch in Luxembourg on Monday between Mr Johnson, Michel Barnier, and Mr Juncker as the moment the “penny dropped” for the prime minister on the complexities involved in replacing the Irish backstop. Mr Johnson was told by his counterparts that the UK’s proposals on allowing Northern Ireland to stick to common EU rules on food and livestock was not a sufficient replacement for the Irish backstop as it would still require customs checks on other types of goods. “It was clear that Boris was on a learning curve,” said an EU official. Another described Mr Johnson as “slumping” into his seat over the course of lunch as the reality of the tight negotiating schedule dawned. A Number 10 official last night rejected the description of the lunch as “nonsense”.

Do you really think this is what happened at that meeting? :lol:

The idea of Boris turning to Frost and going "what, so it doesn't work?" :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:52 pm 
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blindcider wrote:

When I have several close family and friends really struggling to come to terms with T1 through no fault of their own then I don't see any humour in that comment just plain nastiness. The prejudice that diabetes is only something fat people get through their own laziness is very unhelpful and needs to be stopped.


Its because of people like you that the kids can't even enjoy our Christmas traditions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/18/netherlands-ban-blackface-makeup-zwarte-piet-black-pete-christmas-parade


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:55 pm 
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bimboman wrote:
Leffe wrote:
bimboman wrote:
SaintK wrote:
bimboman wrote:
Headline news today was that Boris was confronted by a heckler at a hospital visit today.


Here’s the member of the public.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OmarSalem/st ... 0117945345

His child is a patient.
Whether he's left, right or centre, he's not wrong about the NHS



You’re right the NHS can be shite, but money isn’t the problem.

And now you're an expert in healthcare funding, hospital logistics etc...

:thumbup:



I’ve claimed no expertise, I’ve given an opinion, same as the leftie activist berating Boris , his opinions made headline news.

Mainly because of the instantaneous, insanely obvious and whopping lie, that just automatically rolled off his tongue.


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sewa wrote:
blindcider wrote:

When I have several close family and friends really struggling to come to terms with T1 through no fault of their own then I don't see any humour in that comment just plain nastiness. The prejudice that diabetes is only something fat people get through their own laziness is very unhelpful and needs to be stopped.


Its because of people like you that the kids can't even enjoy our Christmas traditions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/18/netherlands-ban-blackface-makeup-zwarte-piet-black-pete-christmas-parade

It's soot from the chimney!!!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:57 pm 
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Leffe wrote:
sewa wrote:
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When I have several close family and friends really struggling to come to terms with T1 through no fault of their own then I don't see any humour in that comment just plain nastiness. The prejudice that diabetes is only something fat people get through their own laziness is very unhelpful and needs to be stopped.


Its because of people like you that the kids can't even enjoy our Christmas traditions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/18/netherlands-ban-blackface-makeup-zwarte-piet-black-pete-christmas-parade

It's soot from the chimney!!!


I'd a visitor over from Cork when they were in town last year, he couldn't believe his eyes. Almost pissed himself laughing


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:58 pm 
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Mainly because of the instantaneous, insanely obvious and whopping lie, that just automatically rolled off his tongue.



No, the activist had opinion on Doctor and Nurse numbers nothing to do with the media.


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The Singapore option: Ultra low business tax. Which means a revenue deficit from the current revenue level, So where is this made up from? Will the rich accept higher rates on income tax to compensate?

No, I thought not.

Will the poor accept lower services? Yep, you're damn right they will!


Well no, it doesn't.


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The UK will have far more options to mitigate losses because we will no longer be subject to EU restrictions and will able to act as a fully independent nation state.


Which EU restrictions specifically bother you, can you name three?

They're justifiable when seeking to ensure a level playing field across member states but once free of such obligations the UK Government will be able to put resources where they're most needed without for example falling foul of State-Aid rules. We will shape our regulatory and trade policy to promote areas of special UK interest.


I asked you which specific restrictions bother you, please name three


bendy bananas ....only 2 to go....


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O’Neill says there was a “cunning” change in what the government decided to do.

Instead of proroguing parliament over 31 October, instead it decided to prorogue parliament first.

He says the decision to prorogue parliament between 9 September and 14 October fits with the government seeking the longest possible prorogation consistent with the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Act, which included requirements for the government to report to parliament on developments in Northern Ireland.


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The Singapore option: Ultra low business tax. Which means a revenue deficit from the current revenue level, So where is this made up from? Will the rich accept higher rates on income tax to compensate?

No, I thought not.

Will the poor accept lower services? Yep, you're damn right they will!


Well no, it doesn't.

The Laffer curve, beloved of simpleton's everywhere. Discredited so many times and even Laffer himself admitted it doesn't work at the extremes, i.e. ultra low as above . So in short you don't know what you are talking about


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sewa wrote:
Leffe wrote:
sewa wrote:
blindcider wrote:

When I have several close family and friends really struggling to come to terms with T1 through no fault of their own then I don't see any humour in that comment just plain nastiness. The prejudice that diabetes is only something fat people get through their own laziness is very unhelpful and needs to be stopped.


Its because of people like you that the kids can't even enjoy our Christmas traditions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/18/netherlands-ban-blackface-makeup-zwarte-piet-black-pete-christmas-parade

It's soot from the chimney!!!


I'd a visitor over from Cork when they were in town last year, he couldn't believe his eyes. Almost pissed himself laughing

It can't be explained,,,, must be seen.


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As there's absolutely no evidence the country wants either hard Brexit or Corbyn's socialism, it's daft that this is our assumed choice.

Hopefully that changes with a good election campaign and the vision being laid out. Radical change is needed and Corbyn's the closest the UK's got to being able to deliver it.


Agreed, the things Labour stand for like getting rid of zero hours contracts should appeal to people, well those who aren't Tory scum anyway

All zero hour contracts? Or just the 28% which do not suit the employees?


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RodneyRegis wrote:
sewa wrote:
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SamShark wrote:
As there's absolutely no evidence the country wants either hard Brexit or Corbyn's socialism, it's daft that this is our assumed choice.

Hopefully that changes with a good election campaign and the vision being laid out. Radical change is needed and Corbyn's the closest the UK's got to being able to deliver it.


Agreed, the things Labour stand for like getting rid of zero hours contracts should appeal to people, well those who aren't Tory scum anyway

All zero hour contracts? Or just the 28% which do not suit the employees?

It's 28% who find zero hour contract suit them, i.e. 72% which do not suit the employees.

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It also found that as few as 28% of people on zero-hours contracts worked on that basis to take advantage of the flexibility offered, effectively undermining one of the key arguments against banning the contracts.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ig-economy


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