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Given their massive budgets the French teams are absolutely piss poor in Europe. Do they not take it seriously?

Relegation.

Nolanator wrote:Relegation.

The teams playing in Europe are rarely in fear of relegation ...

Botha Boy wrote:

Nolanator wrote:Relegation.

The teams playing in Europe are rarely in fear of relegation ...

It's definitely been the case for the likes of Castres in the past.

Bar a handful of French clubs with European pedigree, they'd all rather win the Top14. European progression is a nice bonus.

They don't care, their own league is their thing.

sockwithaticket wrote:

Botha Boy wrote:

Nolanator wrote:Relegation.

The teams playing in Europe are rarely in fear of relegation ...

It's definitely been the case for the likes of Castres in the past.

Bar a handful of French clubs with European pedigree, they'd all rather win the Top14. European progression is a nice bonus.

The top top french teams (Racing 92 etc) seem to do well but if you have a mid ranking English Premier Team against a mid ranking Top14 team I'd back the English team every single time.

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

Very much this I think.

Botha Boy wrote:

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

Same

Botha Boy wrote:

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

Myriad things. Our salary cap makes the league very competitive, but it also ensures that the talent is spread realtively thinly (which makes competing in Europe more difficult against the best French and Irish teams) and everyone is more at risk of relegation. Again, Europe's a nice to have rather than a priority.

Botha Boy wrote:

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

A competitive league ad odds with their unions rather than central money being poured in to regions rather than clubs.

Eventually the French and English will stop bothering.

mdaclarke wrote:Given their massive budgets the French teams are absolutely piss poor in Europe. Do they not take it seriously?

Lol, same answers as every years, only 2 clubs are interested in this cup, the Top14 is our championship and we love the 6 Nations. Since beIN have the tv rights they show only few games, also most clubs take this opportunity to rest their main players, for the challenged cup they send mainly players that don't play a lot, so nobody really follows or cares about it.
Hope this help.

Piss poor level of French coaching.
That also explains why they've yet to have a RWC despite their enormous ressources.

shaggy wrote:

Botha Boy wrote:

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

Same

Precisely.

When you're King of England or Roi de France, there are no mountains left to conquer at club level. Bashing a few Celts in Europe is neither here nor there for the Anglo-French big boys.

The cute thing is that the Celts themselves, especially the Irish, treat the European Cup as if it were the most significant thing since penicillin.

MrDominator wrote:

shaggy wrote:

Botha Boy wrote:

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

Same

Precisely.

When you're King of England or Roi de France, there are no mountains left to conquer at club level. Bashing a few Celts in Europe is neither here nor there for the Anglo-French big boys.

The cute thing is that the Celts themselves, especially the Irish, treat the European Cup as if it were the most significant thing since penicillin.

So the English clubs thew ALL their matches against Irish teams again this year, because the competition isn't important.
Makes you wonder why they bother entering.
Maybe a competition between English and Italian teams then? The English might do better in that

They are so poor in Europe because of the malign influence of ze chermans but would be rich in places with weaker currencies.

No charge for the advice.

2018 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2017 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2016 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2015 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2014 - Winner, 3 QFs
2013 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2012 - 1 SF, 2 QF
2011 - 2 SF, 3 QFs
2010 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 4 QFs
2009 - 1 QF

So in the past 10 years their teams have won it 4 times, failed to make the final 3 times, and only failed to make the semi once. Yes, when will they start giving a fuck? The reality is some of the teams that qualify just aren't that good. Montpellier are rubbish without Nadolo.

shaggy wrote:

Botha Boy wrote:

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

Same

Which doesn't really explain why they've mostly been poor in the league too.

French sides don't fare well on the road. I believe it's a feature of their league, and formerly the standard of homer refereeing that they expect to win home games, not away games.

sockwithaticket wrote:Myriad things. Our salary cap makes the league very competitive, but it also ensures that the talent is spread realtively thinly (which makes competing in Europe more difficult against the best French and Irish teams) and everyone is more at risk of relegation. Again, Europe's a nice to have rather than a priority.

Given the relative population sizes, England should have roughly 10 times the available talent of anyone in Europe other than France. On average, each English club has something like double the population to draw on compared to Scotland, Wales and Ireland, so each club should have relatively more talent available, not less.

bimboman wrote:

Botha Boy wrote:

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

A competitive league ad odds with their unions rather than central money being poured in to regions rather than clubs.

Eventually the French and English will stop bothering.

I suspect the stop bothering bothering part will coincide with the constant losing

canine wrote:

bimboman wrote:

Botha Boy wrote:

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

And what’s the excuse for the English teams ... ?

A competitive league ad odds with their unions rather than central money being poured in to regions rather than clubs.

Eventually the French and English will stop bothering.

I suspect the stop bothering bothering part will coincide with the constant losing

Constant losing apart from the frequent years they win it, I suppose.

mdaclarke wrote:Given their massive budgets the French teams are absolutely piss poor in Europe. Do they not take it seriously?

Like the English, the League comes first. Plus until recently they were the big force in Europe until Sarries did the double.

Edinburgh01 wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:Myriad things. Our salary cap makes the league very competitive, but it also ensures that the talent is spread realtively thinly (which makes competing in Europe more difficult against the best French and Irish teams) and everyone is more at risk of relegation. Again, Europe's a nice to have rather than a priority.

Given the relative population sizes, England should have roughly 10 times the available talent of anyone in Europe other than France. On average, each English club has something like double the population to draw on compared to Scotland, Wales and Ireland, so each club should have relatively more talent available, not less.

There is the truth. Its quite simply Celtic genetic, intellectual and physical superiority.
Viz one Brit an 2 French teams vs 5 Pro14 teams in Europe

eldanielfire wrote:

mdaclarke wrote:Given their massive budgets the French teams are absolutely piss poor in Europe. Do they not take it seriously?

Like the English, the League comes first. Plus until recently they were the big force in Europe until Sarries did the double.

Has anyone told the English sides that? Like if Newcastle are prioritizing the league they'd wanna get the fucking finger out. As to the French.

https://www.flashscore.com/rugby-union/ ... standings/
Some of the teams just aren't that good. It's not permanent.

Not enough kiwi players or coaches.

paddyor wrote:2018 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2017 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2016 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2015 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2014 - Winner, 3 QFs
2013 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2012 - 1 SF, 2 QF
2011 - 2 SF, 3 QFs
2010 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 4 QFs
2009 - 1 QF

So in the past 10 years their teams have won it 4 times, failed to make the final 3 times, and only failed to make the semi once. Yes, when will they start giving a fuck? The reality is some of the teams that qualify just aren't that good. Montpellier are rubbish without Nadolo.

not quite sure why this was ignored - it's a pretty good showing by the French

Trostan wrote:

Edinburgh01 wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:Myriad things. Our salary cap makes the league very competitive, but it also ensures that the talent is spread realtively thinly (which makes competing in Europe more difficult against the best French and Irish teams) and everyone is more at risk of relegation. Again, Europe's a nice to have rather than a priority.

Given the relative population sizes, England should have roughly 10 times the available talent of anyone in Europe other than France. On average, each English club has something like double the population to draw on compared to Scotland, Wales and Ireland, so each club should have relatively more talent available, not less.

There is the truth. Its quite simply Celtic genetic, intellectual and physical superiority.
Viz one Brit an 2 French teams vs 5 Pro14 teams in Europe

4 Brit teams. Only 1 English.

Low standards for discipline and error count in their domestic league. Toulon were the exception to the rule and they filled their squad with mercenaries who had already learnt to win elsewhere.

paddyor wrote:2018 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2017 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2016 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2015 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2014 - Winner, 3 QFs
2013 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2012 - 1 SF, 2 QF
2011 - 2 SF, 3 QFs
2010 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 4 QFs
2009 - 1 QF

So in the past 10 years their teams have won it 4 times, failed to make the final 3 times, and only failed to make the semi once. Yes, when will they start giving a fuck? The reality is some of the teams that qualify just aren't that good. Montpellier are rubbish without Nadolo.

Let the One eye brit have his moment of glory...

Or laugh at the stupidity ?

franch fan wrote:Piss poor level of French coaching.
That also explains why they've yet to have a RWC despite their enormous ressources.

bulldog wrote:You know fuçk all about rugby

one for your wank bank ...

bimboman wrote:They don't care, their own league is their thing.

Tell that to an ASM supporter.

Hong Kong wrote:

paddyor wrote:2018 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2017 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2016 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2015 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2014 - Winner, 3 QFs
2013 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2012 - 1 SF, 2 QF
2011 - 2 SF, 3 QFs
2010 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 4 QFs
2009 - 1 QF

So in the past 10 years their teams have won it 4 times, failed to make the final 3 times, and only failed to make the semi once. Yes, when will they start giving a fuck? The reality is some of the teams that qualify just aren't that good. Montpellier are rubbish without Nadolo.

not quite sure why this was ignored - it's a pretty good showing by the French

This is PR so whatever happened yesterday is the absolute truth of what things will be like forever.

It's still not wrong that the teams tend to not care that much about it, although it's been slowly changing. Take away ASM and Toulon and the above doesn't look quite the same for the recent past. Before that, Toulouse/ASM/Biarritz/SF were the ones to take that competition seriously, but Biarritz dropped out to ProD2 and SF ran into heavy financial troubles so shifted priorities. Toulon came in a bit later but that's when Toulouse started struggling a bit, and Racing Metro is the latest to actually try. The league has 7 spots but with the vagaries of league form, you will rarely get 7 teams interested at the same time. This year for example, Toulon is shite yet qualified last year, while ASM who were dreadful last year are playing the challenge cup while in mighty form... Toulouse clicking again is good news though.

Hong Kong wrote:

paddyor wrote:2018 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2017 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2016 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2015 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2014 - Winner, 3 QFs
2013 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2012 - 1 SF, 2 QF
2011 - 2 SF, 3 QFs
2010 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 4 QFs
2009 - 1 QF

So in the past 10 years their teams have won it 4 times, failed to make the final 3 times, and only failed to make the semi once. Yes, when will they start giving a fuck? The reality is some of the teams that qualify just aren't that good. Montpellier are rubbish without Nadolo.

not quite sure why this was ignored - it's a pretty good showing by the French

It was ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative by some on here from a certain country who like to change the competition every so often because they can't win it.

French teams that have the squad do well in Europe and that's what it comes down to, saying that all of them don't care about it is well frankly moronic. Also throwing money at a problem doesn't necessarily solve/help it.

It was ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative by some on here from a certain country who like to change the competition every so often because they can't win it.

Given Sarries won in 2016 and 2017 that is a pretty stupid comment.

blindcider wrote:

It was ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative by some on here from a certain country who like to change the competition every so often because they can't win it.

Given Sarries won in 2016 and 2017 that is a pretty stupid comment.

Partly flippant and partly true.

MunsterMan!!!!! wrote:

blindcider wrote:

It was ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative by some on here from a certain country who like to change the competition every so often because they can't win it.

Given Sarries won in 2016 and 2017 that is a pretty stupid comment.

Partly flippant and partly true.

Really? The premiership has only not won it the one season. For goodness sake how long do some posters think it's been?

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:

Hong Kong wrote:

paddyor wrote:2018 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2017 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2016 - 1 French finalist, 3 QFs
2015 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2014 - Winner, 3 QFs
2013 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 3 QFs
2012 - 1 SF, 2 QF
2011 - 2 SF, 3 QFs
2010 - Winner from 2 French finalists, 4 QFs
2009 - 1 QF

So in the past 10 years their teams have won it 4 times, failed to make the final 3 times, and only failed to make the semi once. Yes, when will they start giving a fuck? The reality is some of the teams that qualify just aren't that good. Montpellier are rubbish without Nadolo.

not quite sure why this was ignored - it's a pretty good showing by the French

This is PR so whatever happened yesterday is the absolute truth of what things will be like forever.

It's still not wrong that the teams tend to not care that much about it, although it's been slowly changing. Take away ASM and Toulon and the above doesn't look quite the same for the recent past. Before that, Toulouse/ASM/Biarritz/SF were the ones to take that competition seriously, but Biarritz dropped out to ProD2 and SF ran into heavy financial troubles so shifted priorities. Toulon came in a bit later but that's when Toulouse started struggling a bit, and Racing Metro is the latest to actually try. The league has 7 spots but with the vagaries of league form, you will rarely get 7 teams interested at the same time. This year for example, Toulon is shite yet qualified last year, while ASM who were dreadful last year are playing the challenge cup while in mighty form... Toulouse clicking again is good news though.

That's a pretty good description of the other leagues really. Other than Leinster and Munster no Pro14 team regularly gets out of it's pool and goes on to the SF. This is the first time in 5 years Ulster have managed it which is surprising because they've cleared out a load of players and they came in as bottom seeds.

There is a long gap between Sarries titles and Wasps winning it (the previous English title holder). Leicester, Northampton and Wasps are not threatening at all despite their pedigree. Exeter may go on a run in the next season or two.

Ulster benefitted from the Scarlets being poor this season due to injuries, player loss and form. The Scarlets don’t have the depth to cover those injuries.

Depends on the side. Toulouse, Clermont, Racing and Toulon have always taken Europe seriously. Only thing is Clermont didn't qualify this season and Toulon are now a bit shit.