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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:57 pm 
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Venue:
Estadio José Amalfitani (Estadio Vélez Sarsfield) - Capacity for 49,450 spectators
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Who:

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15. Joaquín Tuculet
14. Bautista Delguy
13. Matías Orlando
12. Jerónimo De La Fuente (c)
11. Ramiro Moyano
10. Joaquín Díaz Bonilla
9. Gonzalo Bertranou
8. Javier Ortega Desio
7. Rodrigo Bruni
6. Pablo Matera
5. Tomás Lavanini
4. Guido Petti
3. Santiago Medrano
2. Agustín Creevy
1. Mayco Vivas

Replacements:

16. Julián Montoya
17. Juan Pablo Zeiss
18. Enrique Pieretto
19. Matías Alemanno
20. Marcos Kremer
21. Martín Landajo
22. Juan Cruz Mallía
23. Matías Moroni

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15. Andries Coetzee
14. Courtnall Skosan
13. Lionel Mapoe
12. Harold Vorster
11. Aphiwe Dyantyi
10. Elton Jantjies
9. Nic Groom
8. Warren Whiteley (c)
7. Hacjivah Dayimani
6. Marnus Schoeman
5. Marvin Orie
4. Rhyno Herbst
3. Carlu Sadie
2. Malcolm Marx
1. Dylan Smith

Replacements:

16. Pieter Jansen
17. Frans Van Wyk
18. Jacobie Adriaanse
19. Ruan Vermaak
20. Robert Kruger
21. Gianni Lombard/Dillon Smit
22. Wandisile Simelane
23. Ruan Combrinck

History:

Played: 7

Jaguares: 3
Lions: 4
Draw = 0

Last matches:

21 Jul 2018 - Johannesburg - Emirates Lions 40 - 23 Jaguares
24 Mar 2018 - Buenos Aires - Jaguares 49 - 35 Emirates Lions
24 Feb 2018 - Johannesburg - Emirates Lions 47 - 27 Jaguares
21 Apr 2017 - Johannesburg - Emirates Lions 24 - 21 Jaguares
11 Mar 2017 - Buenos Aires - Jaguares 36 - 24 Emirates Lions
11 Jul 2016 - Buenos Aires - Jaguares 34 - 22 Emirates Lions
21 May 2016 - Johannesburg - Emirates Lions 52 - 24 Jaguares

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Date : Saturday, February 16

Kick Off :

SAT 18:40 (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
SAT 21:40 (UTC)
SAT 23:40 (Johannesburg, South Africa)

Match Officials:

Referee - Mike Fraser

Assistant Referee 1 - Brendon Pickerill
Assistant Referee 2 - Rasta Rasivhenge

TMO - Santiago Borsani


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:46 pm 
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Excellent fred Carfer :thumbup:

Indications are that the Lions will play their strongest available side, unlike previous years

Potential Lions – 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Courtnall Skosan, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Harold Vorster, 11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Nic Groom, 8 Warren Whiteley (c), 7 Hacjivah Dayimani, 6 Kwagga Smith, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Ruan Vermaak, 3 Carlü Sadie, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Dylan Smith.
Subs: 16 Pieter Jansen, 17 Danie Mienie, 18 Frans van Wyk, 19 Rhyno Herbst, 20 Marnus Schoeman, 21 Dillon Smith, 22 Shaun Reynolds, 23 Sylvian Mahuza/Ruan Combrinck

Potential changes: Stefan Lewies, Andries Ferreira

Current injuries:
4. Lourens Erasmus - out till June/July
7. Cyle Brink - out till March
7/8 /. Len Massyn - Another few weeks
9. Ross Cronje - Out for another few weeks


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:45 pm 
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Jensrsa wrote:
Excellent fred Carfer :thumbup:

Indications are that the Lions will play their strongest available side, unlike previous years

Potential Lions – 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Courtnall Skosan, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Harold Vorster, 11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Nic Groom, 8 Warren Whiteley (c), 7 Hacjivah Dayimani, 6 Kwagga Smith, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Ruan Vermaak, 3 Carlü Sadie, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Dylan Smith.
Subs: 16 Pieter Jansen, 17 Danie Mienie, 18 Frans van Wyk, 19 Rhyno Herbst, 20 Marnus Schoeman, 21 Dillon Smith, 22 Shaun Reynolds, 23 Sylvian Mahuza/Ruan Combrinck

Potential changes: Stefan Lewies, Andries Ferreira

Current injuries:
4. Lourens Erasmus - out till June/July
7. Cyle Brink - out till March
7/8 /. Len Massyn - Another few weeks
9. Ross Cronje - Out for another few weeks


Thank you for valuing the fred. :o

With reference to the (potential) line-up of Lions, it doesn't seem to be much stronger than the one that visited us last year.

15. Andries Coetzee, 14. Sylvian Mahuza, 13. Lionel Mapoe, 12. Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11. Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10. Elton Jantjies, 9. Marco Jansen Van Vuuren, 8. Kwagga Smith, 7. Robert Kruger, 6. Cyle Brink, 5. Franco Mostert, 4. Marvin Orie, 3. Ruan Dreyer, 2. Robbie Coetzee, 1. Jacques Van Rooyen

Replacements:

16. Malcolm Marx, 17. Dylan Smith, 18. Johannes Jonker, 19. Lourens Erasmus, 20. Len Massyn, 21. Dillon Smit, 22. Howard Mnisi, 23. Shaun Reynolds


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:53 am 
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Any team that includes Marvin Orrie is incredibly strong.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:07 am 
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Carfer wrote:
With reference to the (potential) line-up of Lions, it doesn't seem to be much stronger than the one that visited us last year.

15. Andries Coetzee, 14. Sylvian Mahuza, 13. Lionel Mapoe, 12. Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11. Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10. Elton Jantjies, 9. Marco Jansen Van Vuuren, 8. Kwagga Smith, 7. Robert Kruger, 6. Cyle Brink, 5. Franco Mostert, 4. Marvin Orie, 3. Ruan Dreyer, 2. Robbie Coetzee, 1. Jacques Van Rooyen

Replacements:

16. Malcolm Marx, 17. Dylan Smith, 18. Johannes Jonker, 19. Lourens Erasmus, 20. Len Massyn, 21. Dillon Smit, 22. Howard Mnisi, 23. Shaun Reynolds


True, although the Lions will probably field their best available to start, while last year a number of bench/fringe players started and it showed with the Lions falling behind 32-14 before getting back into the game. Too little too late though.

I think it's going to be a tough game and it will be interesting to see how much the departed players - Sanchez, Mostert, etc - are missed


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:11 am 
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Referee Mike Fraser
AR1 Brendon Pickerill
AR2 Rasta Rasivhenge
TMO Santiago Borsani


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:43 am 
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Odds:

Jaguares 2.5
Lions 1.67
Handicap: Lions -4

Weird considering the Lions have never beaten the Jaguares in Argentina


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:25 am 
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Tough first game for the Lions. At least they've got a strong team and Andries Coetzee available.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:27 am 
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Tough first game for the Lions. At least they've got a strong team and Andries Coetzee available.


Don't forget Jantjies, Orie and Skosan - all the fan favourites :)

Anyway, I would like to see the Lions break their duck in Argentina and start the season with a good win


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:34 pm 
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Lions: 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Courtnall Skosan, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Harold Vorster, 11 Aphiwe Dyanti, 10 Elton Jantjies 9 Nic Groom, 8 Warren Whiteley (captain), 7 Hacjivah Dayimani, 6 Marnus Schoeman, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Rhyno Herbst, 3 Carlu Sadie, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Dylan Smith
Substitutes: 16 Pieter Jansen, 17 Frans van Wyk, 18 Jacobie Adriaanse, 19 Ruan Vermaak, 20 Robert Kruger, 21 Gianni Lombard/Dillon Smit, 22 Wandisile Simelane, 23 Ruan Combrinck

Bold: Lions rookies, although van Wyk and Sadie has some SR experience with the Bulls and Stormers

Glad to see Simelane and Lombard in the mix


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:54 pm 
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The Lions lost the services of loose forward Kwagga Smith (calf strain) and lock Stephan Lewies (minor pectoral tear) ahead of their opening match of the season.

Both are expected to be fit in a week, but are out of the team to face the Jaguares on Saturday.


Players who did not make the trip to BA include Cyle Brink (recovering from long-term injury), Robbie Coetzee (recovering from long-term injury), Johannes Jonker (recovering from long-term injury) and Ross Cronje (recovering from long-term injury).

https://rugby365.com/tournaments/super-rugby/news-super-rugby/lions-limp-into-ba


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:39 pm 
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The Lions lost the services of loose forward Kwagga Smith (calf strain) and lock Stephan Lewies (minor pectoral tear) ahead of their opening match of the season.

Both are expected to be fit in a week, but are out of the team to face the Jaguares on Saturday.


Players who did not make the trip to BA include Cyle Brink (recovering from long-term injury), Robbie Coetzee (recovering from long-term injury), Johannes Jonker (recovering from long-term injury) and Ross Cronje (recovering from long-term injury).

https://rugby365.com/tournaments/super-rugby/news-super-rugby/lions-limp-into-ba

So the Lions are sending a second rate team gain.


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Line-up that Gonzalo Quesada tested today (tuesday practice is usually that anticipates the team that will play the weekend game)

15. Joaquín Tuculet
14. Bautista Delguy
13. Matías Orlando
12. Jerónimo De La Fuente (c)
11. Ramiro Moyano
10. Joaquín Díaz Bonilla
9. Gonzalo Bertranou
8. Javier Ortega Desio
7. Rodrigo Bruni
6. Pablo Matera
5. Tomás Lavanini
4. Guido Petti
3. Santiago Medrano
2. Agustín Creevy
1. Mayco Vivas

in bold = rookie in Super Rugby


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:39 am 
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A number of youngsters are making their debuts for the Lions:

3. Carlu Sadie (21) – 2016/17 Junior Bok on loan to the Lions, played 8 games off the bench for the Stormers but stuck behind Springboks Frans Malherbe and Wilco Louw.
4. Rhyno Herbst (22) – A strong #4 lock who styles his play on Bakkies Botha, hopefully without the penalties
16. Pieter Jansen (23) – Still has to prove himself at senior level
17. Frans van Wyk (23) – 2015 Junior Bok. Played 13 SR games for the Bulls (3 starts) and can scrum both sides
19. Ruan Vermaak (20) – 2018 Junior Bok
21. Gianni Lombard (21) – 2017/18 Junior Bok who plays 10 and 15
22. Wandisile Simelane (20) – 2017/18 Junior Bok, plays midfield and wing. Probably one of the most anticipated SA Super Rugby debuts

Herbst, Jansen, Vermaak, Lombard and Simelane were part of the Lions junior teams that won number of SA's u19 and u21 competitions


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:45 am 
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LIONS COACH DE BRUIN REVEALS REASON BEHIND TEAM'S TRAVEL STRATEGY

Having failed to register a win against the tough Argentinean franchise on their travels, De Bruin was happy to trial a new travel strategy for the lengthy South American flight.

"We travel on Wednesday morning. In the past, we would first travel the Friday, Saturday or Sunday before so we could spend the week there. We tried to delay the travel. So, we'll only have one practice day and then play the game."

Their travel strategy is nothing new explained De Bruin. They attempted it in 2018 on a trip to Australia, but never to South America.

"We did it last year. I know it's a different direction but we did it against the Waratahs last year and it worked well for us - we gave them 29 -0 on the day by travelling very late. It gives the guy's confidence to travel late so we going to stick to that."

https://ewn.co.za/2019/02/13/lions-coach-de-bruin-reveals-reason-behind-team-s-travel-strategy

I'm fairly certain the Lions traveled late in 2016 and 2017 as well


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:36 pm 
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Carfer? Puma?

No team announcement yet? I see nothing on the Jaguares site


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:42 pm 
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Carfer? Puma?

No team announcement yet? I see nothing on the Jaguares site


Radio mute.


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Carfer wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Carfer? Puma?

No team announcement yet? I see nothing on the Jaguares site


Radio mute.

I'm looking forward to a really tough game, all hammer and tongs, may the best team win, not the refs


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Jensrsa wrote:
Carfer wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Carfer? Puma?

No team announcement yet? I see nothing on the Jaguares site


Radio mute.

I'm looking forward to a really tough game, all hammer and tongs, may the best team win, not the refs


I imagine Jaguares defending hard and trying to use the kick intelligently, because at the beginning of the season, ball handling errors are very common and costly in terms of the opponent's score.


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The XV that I had already anticipated (Tue Feb 12)


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What's the deal with Emiliano Bofelli?


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What's the deal with Emiliano Bofelli?

Boffelli injured femoral biceps (tear) and will miss his Super Rugby debut against Lions


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Trivia:
- Each of the previous seven meetings between the Jaguares and Lions has been won by the home team, with the Lions holding the edge with four wins to the Jaguares’ three.

- The Jaguares have won eight of their last 10 games at home against South African opposition, including their last four on the bounce in which they’ve scored an average of 39 points per game.

- The Lions have lost their last four games in a row outside South Africa; the last time they lost more was a nine-game stretch from 2011 to 2014.

- The Jaguares kicked 15 penalty goals in the opening 20 minutes of their matches last season, the most of any team, while the Lions kicked just two, with no team converting fewer.

- Lions duo Kwagga Smith (31) and Malcolm Marx (27) won more turnovers than anyone else in last year’s Super Rugby.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:03 pm 
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Nice Jaguares bench, I like it.


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Nice Jaguares bench, I like it.


Landajo-Mallía :uhoh:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:38 pm 
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Carfer wrote:
julian wrote:
Nice Jaguares bench, I like it.


Landajo-Mallía :uhoh:


Well, Landajo was not that bad if memory serves me right during the last match he played. In fact he was a bit better than Bertranou. The reality is he may be the right scrum half for a game closing.

Regarding Mallía, I prefer Diaz Bonilla over him.

Montoya, Alemano, Kremer, Moroni, that is a great bench.


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julian wrote:
Carfer wrote:
julian wrote:
Nice Jaguares bench, I like it.


Landajo-Mallía :uhoh:


Well, Landajo was not that bad if memory serves me right during the last match he played. In fact he was a bit better than Bertranou. The reality is he may be the right scrum half for a game closing.

Regarding Mallía, I prefer Diaz Bonilla over him.

Montoya, Alemano, Kremer, Moroni, that is a great bench.


Someone commented that after the World Cup, Landajo and García Botta will move to London (Harlequins). Considering that Cubelli seems to be struggling to get back to his level - after the neck injury in RC 2017 - we have to think seriously about Felipe Ezcurra's return to Jaguares.
In theory, Mioti and Gonzalez Iglesias should have been the natural substitutes for TDB, but Quesada, who knows something about flyhalves, is apparently seeing something else.

Motoya, Pieretto, Alemanno, Kremer and Moroni are very promising as impact players.

Zeiss makes a great effort to compete in the SR but his extraction of Argentine amateur rugby was late, perhaps.


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Lions loose trio: Bull terriers or show ponies?

They are quick, agile and skilled, but the Lions' light loose trio must prove in Buenos Aires on Saturday that they are physically enough to curb the Jaguares heavyweight pack.


8 Javier Ortego Desio - 1.93, 102 kg
7 Rodrigo Bruni - 1.85m, 110 kg
6 Pablo Matera - 1.93, 99 kg
5 Tomas Lavanini - 2.01m, 130 kg
4 Guido Petti - 1.94m, 108 kg
3 Santiago Medrano - 1.85m, 112 kg
2 Agustin Creevy - 1.81m, 110 kg
1 Mayco Vivas - 1.86m, 121 kg
Pack weight: 892 kg
Backrow: 311 kg
Tight 5: 581 kg

8. Warren Whiteley - 1.93m, 110 kg
7. Hacjivah Dayimani - 1.88m, 98 kg
6. Marnus Schoeman - 1.78m, 96 kg
5. Marvin Orie - 1.98m, 104 kg
4. Rhyno Herbst - 1.98m, 120 kg
3. Carlu Sadie - 1.80m, 125 kg
2. Malcolm Marx - 1.88m, 114 kg
1. Dylan Smith - 1.81m, 102 kg
Pack weight: 869 kg
Backrow: 304 kg
Tight 5: 565 kg

Not such a difference in weight as is made out to be but the difference in height could come into play


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I’ve just arrived in Buenos Aires. If I show up at the stadium, will I get a ticket? It would be great to see the game


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I’ve just arrived in Buenos Aires. If I show up at the stadium, will I get a ticket? It would be great to see the game


According to Ticketek, tickets are still available. In cases like these you can usually buy tickets at the Stadium but I can't say for sure.

https://www.ticketek.com.ar/jaguares/estadio-velez-sarsfield


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Ref no friend to the hagwarez so far.


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Good score Lavanini, nice stuff in the build-up.


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Lions lose too many balls in contact and struggle in the aerial contest

HT Jaguares 13-15 Lions


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16-25 to Lions with 10 to go. Jags butcher a try and 3 min later Lions kick penalty


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That's a terrible ruck penalty decision against the Jaguares there as they're attacking the Lions line...

One of the Lions players is clearly lying all over their side of the ruck.


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Marx given cover by Lions player. Dodgy penalty.


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That's a terrible ruck penalty decision against the Jaguares there as they're attacking the Lions line...

One of the Lions players is clearly lying all over their side of the ruck.

It is been all the game like that. Amazing ref.


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How many times have the Jags lost the ball near or over the line?


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Will take that, scrappy as it was.

Well done boys!


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16-25 to Lions with 10 to go. Jags butcher a try and 3 min later Lions kick penalty

Probably decided the game. A score then and it could've gone either way.


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